Spurs/Cavs...nba finals 2007
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peplaw06;1522167 said:
Someone's delusional. Mental warfare?? So Horry ran over Steve Nash because he knew Amare and Boris would leave the bench and get suspended for a game in effect negating his 2 game suspension? That's not IQ, that's clairevoyance.
The Spurs were never at fault for anything according to you. I never thought I'd see anyone give Horry a pass, but you have done it. Congratulations Sir, you have reached a new low.
The Real Mavs Man;1522125 said:Keep in mind I picked the Spurs to win that series, but you can't say the two suspensions for games five made no difference on the series. I know, people will say the Suns came out firing in game five. They also ran out of gas in the fourth quarter. I'm not saying they got robbed, because Stern had to suspend them based on precedent. But that changed the series and you have to take that into account. The Suns were stupid in getting on the court because they should know not to, but the rule is a bit strong for non-contact.
And, not to start a flame war here, but you mention several Suns flops while Manu Ginobili is on your team.
all i have to say about the suspensions is that people should realise just how ******** amare stoudamire is, he has like a 60 IQ! its not surprising he ran onto the court and got his *** suspended! but really, people need to get over that, on pti they were talking about "oh the suns should be in the finals" well...
a)is that wishful thinking so lebron can have 1,000,000,000,000 points against their hidious D?
b)who the hell says the suns would have won game 5 even with amare? they lost 3 games WITH amare and diaw, so what makes them think game five was gonna be any different?
c)these mediots need to get over the suns and move on with their lives, its not like the spurs all of the sudden beat the suns out of the blue. The truth of the matter is that the spurs have POWNED the suns for the last 3 years since nash has been there(coinsidence?)
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eman721;1521975 said:
elson had some decent plays here and there, and bruce had a good game as well, specially with those 2 timely threes. Vaugh also did ok, although i think i loose a year off of my life every time he takes a shot. But all that being said, Fab and Finley HAVE to step up their game! and why are we not seeing the sweet plays where gino dribbled in between "boobies" legs, TWICE! and then took it coast to coast for a layup on a defenseless lebron? talk about biased media(on highlights that is)
ps i think the spurs would get better ratings if the nba didnt spend their money advertising stars instead of teams, like the nfl does.
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MC KAos;1523004 said:
Who cares how smart Amare is? I'm sure every NBA player is a Rocket Surgeon outside of Stoudemire
And I wasn't even talking about the merits of the suspensions, nor did I say the Suns would have won. All I was commenting on was the luck the Spurs have had these playoffs... that and the pollyannish post by biggems where every incident in these playoffs involving the Spurs has been someone else's fault.
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maybe the spurs were lucky....maybe the mavs just suck.
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peplaw06;1523164 said:Who cares how smart Amare is? I'm sure every NBA player is a Rocket Surgeon outside of Stoudemire
And I wasn't even talking about the merits of the suspensions, nor did I say the Suns would have won. All I was commenting on was the luck the Spurs have had these playoffs... that and the pollyannish post by biggems where every incident in these playoffs involving the Spurs has been someone else's fault.
i wasnt refering to you specifically in that post, more to the media people like michael wilbon who just wont let it go.
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phillycowboyslover;1523170 said:
This doesn't have anything to do with the Mavs. Guess you don't have an on-point rebuttal? Good... I'll count you as in agreement.
Though I'm sure you're glad the Spurs didn't have to face the Mavs.
You quoted me... I responded.MC KAos;1523208 said:
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Why does the NBA persist in stretching out playoff series? Why is there a three day span between games one and two, and then only a two day turnaround after the series goes to Cleveland? It messes with the momentum of a series to have so much down time between games.
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The Real Mavs Man;1523943 said:
it picks up after this lull.
it's pretty much every other day after this break.
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ya, i think what they should do instead of having them play thursday sunday tuesday thursday etc. is they should start on a friday, then play sunday, wednesday, friday sunday, etc. that way you....
a)have two games on the weekends instead of one
b)have two days off in between travel days instead of the ******** way they have it now(2 days off in between games 1 and 2 but only 1 day off before game 3)
but ya, the long stretches without games kills me, but having an old team like we do it helps out a lot!
a)have two games on the weekends instead of one
b)have two days off in between travel days instead of the ******** way they have it now(2 days off in between games 1 and 2 but only 1 day off before game 3)
but ya, the long stretches without games kills me, but having an old team like we do it helps out a lot!
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The Real Mavs Man;1523980 said:
oh god, the first round ALWAYS drags. i agree.
i hate it.
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bigbadroy;1518773 said:
well u obviously are not a fan of lockdown defense. I on the other hand, am a fan of it. I love watching my team put the opponent through 5-6 minute scoring droughts game after game after game. I love watching them methodically wear down the opponent and make them ultimately submit. In a chess match of wills, my team is superior and I love it.
GO SPURS GO
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Biggems;1524178 said:
that's the difference between spurs fans and the rest of the nba.
spurs fans enjoy fundamental team basketball that produces wins.
the rest of the nba would rather be on sportscenter.
you guys keep watching sportscenter...we'll keep having river parades.
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Wow, so I decided to watch the Sopranos finale and catch up with the game on TIVO, and I find myself in the middle of a 20+ point rout.
This series is OVER.
This series is OVER.
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here is a nice article written by sean elliott
June 10, 2007
Image Isn't Everything
It just astonishes me when I still see people calling the Spurs boring. What team are you talking about? It can't be this one.
Now, I don't even want to watch old tapes of our 1999 team. It might put me to sleep.
But if you're saying that about this team, you're just repeating something that you've heard. The media is as guilty of it as anyone. They keep perpetuating the myth.
Yeah, it irritates me. It irritates me because it promotes ignorance. And I think that when you perpetuate that, it shows you haven't taken the time to watch the team.
I worked at ESPN for two years, and when I got there, people were asking me about the Spurs. I found that a lot of those guys there knew their teams, particularly in the East, but when they looked out West the only team they knew was the Lakers. I also kept hearing about Kevin Garnett with all the commercials and the chest-beating, and Timmy Duncan isn't any of that. So, for me, it was one-on-20, defending him and the Spurs.
I mean, really, let's look at it. You have this great team on the floor, playing ego-less, selfless basketball. You have a guy so sound fundamentally that you put taller, more athletic guys on him and he still destroys them. On top of that, the Spurs have two exciting backcourt players in Tony and Manu. And you have Bruce, who puts so much more pride in his defense that other coaches in the league can't beg their players to put that much of it on the floor.
We have an endearing team, with a lot of endearing qualities.
And you call it boring?
Here's a great story as an example: About three years ago, I was on vacation with my beautiful wife, Claudia. I was on the golf course, and there was a funny area in how the hole was set up, where you could hit toward your green, and it was next to an area where someone was hitting back toward a green that was near my tee box.
I hit the ball just outside of the hole. I went looking for it, because I had hit the ball left and close to the other fairway. Someone else had hit my ball to his green. I heard someone yell, "I'm sorry, I hit your ball." He picks it up and throws it to me from like 100 yards away.
First off, I thought, that voice sounds familiar. Second, he threw the ball so effortlessly. Sure enough, it was (New England Patriots quarterback) Tom Brady. My wife almost had a fit.
He ended up riding back in the hotel van with us, me and him and my wife and his girlfriend at the time, Bridget Moynahan. He was telling me how much he enjoyed watching our team and enjoying our guys on the team.
He said he had a tough time watching NBA basketball because he didn't find it endearing. As a player, he understands egos and mentalities, and he certainly understands how hard it is to win a championship.
It's why he enjoyed the Spurs.
It's why I have a hard time understanding why we keep hearing this team is boring,
Memory Lane
My first year at ESPN, I was an analyst for LeBron James' first game. I said during his rookie year that he was the best player in the Eastern Conference, and I had plenty of people around me who argued against me on the East Coast.
But I had seen enough of him to know.
It reminds me that ESPN was covering his first game, and I'm telling you right now that ESPN made a classic mistake. It was the second game in a doubleheader, and the first game was Orlando at New York, and that game went overtime. You had basically two teams in Orlando and New York that were going absolutely nowhere and fast.
Instead of switching over and carrying LeBron's first minute in the NBA, they chose to stay with the OT game. By the time TV coverage had come to us, about three-quarters of the way through the first quarter, LeBron had already put on an unbelievable show.
By the time we went to the first timeout, people in Sacramento were already buzzing. There were spectacular steals, dishes, about three or four dunks and fantastic playing. I'm sitting there with Dan Majerle and Brad Nessler, and the three of us were just looking at us like, "Is this a joke?" It was unbelievable.
And the rest of the country missed out on it, unless you watched the re-airing at 2 in the morning.
But, hey, we've all done stupid things.
One of my stupid things I did on the air was at ESPN when I called Doug Collins a mediocre player. At the break, our stat guy informed me that he'd been a multiple All-Star, the first pick of the draft. I immediately wanted to regurgitate my size-14 Donald Pliner shoes. I felt really stupid.
In Defense of Bruce
For Bruce Bowen not to win the Defensive Player of the Year Award, after all these years, is another thing that's just plain stupid.
I've told this story numerous times during telecasts. My senior year in high school, Arizona coach Lute Olson came to watch me play. I had like 30-something points, 14 or 15 rebounds and nine blocked shots.
He called the next day and said, "You played pretty well, but I've got to get you to play some defense." My reaction, in my head, was, "What do you mean? I had nine blocks." But I learned quickly my first two weeks of practice at Arizona that defense isn't defined by blocking shots. It's just one nuance of the game.
This year, the media picked a shot-blocker (Denver's Marcus Camby) on a team that was 27th or 28th in the league in defense. Yes, he blocked some shots, but you're going to block a lot of shots when guys are blowing past your perimeter defenders.
Bruce had a game earlier this year (against Portland) where he guarded everyone from Zach Randolph to Brandon Roy. He guarded (positions) 1 through 5 that game. In the past few weeks, he's guarded Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson and did the best job any of us have ever seen on Steve Nash.
He helped slow Deron Williams, and now is being asked to guard LeBron James. There's not a defender in the league who is asked to do that.
Everybody goes out there and practices jump shots, layups and dunks, but who goes out there and practices defense? It's about effort and working hard, and it's not glamorous.
A Golden Rule
I happened to run into Commissioner David Stern at an NBA reception for Game 1, and we talked about his decision on the rule that states no players can leave the bench during an altercation on the floor. What still totally boggles my mind about the entire situation, and it's what I told him, is that for some reason people in Phoenix forgot that that rule has been in place for years.
The media did such a disservice to the fans in this situation. They called for common sense, called for the commissioner to take a look at it and have leniency for those two guys. Maybe it was because the series was a fantastic series. But at the same time, what fans and media did was perpetuate the idea that this was a stupid rule.
Let me tell you, as a player that rule is etched in your mind. It's not only etched in there, it's hammered into your head every year. It's not an unknown rule. It may be an unknown rule to fans, but to players it's as second nature as not moving your pivot foot.
Furthermore, that rule has kept more altercations from happening than it has suspended players, or kept players out of games. To call it a stupid rule, especially being a player and calling it that, is being a little disingenuous.
So make no mistake: That rule is very, very well-known to players.
Obviously, it's hard for me to be unbiased in this situation, but as a player, the first thing I thought about was I can remember numerous times where things were going on on the court and we all looked at each other and said, "I'm not going out there."
People forget about the altercation this year with Denver and New York. As rowdy as that one got, the New York Knicks bench stayed put. And that altercation was way more ferocious than what happened here.
The rule was solidified after the Competition Committee didn't amend it last week.
link: http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/elliott/
June 10, 2007
Image Isn't Everything
It just astonishes me when I still see people calling the Spurs boring. What team are you talking about? It can't be this one.
Now, I don't even want to watch old tapes of our 1999 team. It might put me to sleep.
But if you're saying that about this team, you're just repeating something that you've heard. The media is as guilty of it as anyone. They keep perpetuating the myth.
Yeah, it irritates me. It irritates me because it promotes ignorance. And I think that when you perpetuate that, it shows you haven't taken the time to watch the team.
I worked at ESPN for two years, and when I got there, people were asking me about the Spurs. I found that a lot of those guys there knew their teams, particularly in the East, but when they looked out West the only team they knew was the Lakers. I also kept hearing about Kevin Garnett with all the commercials and the chest-beating, and Timmy Duncan isn't any of that. So, for me, it was one-on-20, defending him and the Spurs.
I mean, really, let's look at it. You have this great team on the floor, playing ego-less, selfless basketball. You have a guy so sound fundamentally that you put taller, more athletic guys on him and he still destroys them. On top of that, the Spurs have two exciting backcourt players in Tony and Manu. And you have Bruce, who puts so much more pride in his defense that other coaches in the league can't beg their players to put that much of it on the floor.
We have an endearing team, with a lot of endearing qualities.
And you call it boring?
Here's a great story as an example: About three years ago, I was on vacation with my beautiful wife, Claudia. I was on the golf course, and there was a funny area in how the hole was set up, where you could hit toward your green, and it was next to an area where someone was hitting back toward a green that was near my tee box.
I hit the ball just outside of the hole. I went looking for it, because I had hit the ball left and close to the other fairway. Someone else had hit my ball to his green. I heard someone yell, "I'm sorry, I hit your ball." He picks it up and throws it to me from like 100 yards away.
First off, I thought, that voice sounds familiar. Second, he threw the ball so effortlessly. Sure enough, it was (New England Patriots quarterback) Tom Brady. My wife almost had a fit.
He ended up riding back in the hotel van with us, me and him and my wife and his girlfriend at the time, Bridget Moynahan. He was telling me how much he enjoyed watching our team and enjoying our guys on the team.
He said he had a tough time watching NBA basketball because he didn't find it endearing. As a player, he understands egos and mentalities, and he certainly understands how hard it is to win a championship.
It's why he enjoyed the Spurs.
It's why I have a hard time understanding why we keep hearing this team is boring,
Memory Lane
My first year at ESPN, I was an analyst for LeBron James' first game. I said during his rookie year that he was the best player in the Eastern Conference, and I had plenty of people around me who argued against me on the East Coast.
But I had seen enough of him to know.
It reminds me that ESPN was covering his first game, and I'm telling you right now that ESPN made a classic mistake. It was the second game in a doubleheader, and the first game was Orlando at New York, and that game went overtime. You had basically two teams in Orlando and New York that were going absolutely nowhere and fast.
Instead of switching over and carrying LeBron's first minute in the NBA, they chose to stay with the OT game. By the time TV coverage had come to us, about three-quarters of the way through the first quarter, LeBron had already put on an unbelievable show.
By the time we went to the first timeout, people in Sacramento were already buzzing. There were spectacular steals, dishes, about three or four dunks and fantastic playing. I'm sitting there with Dan Majerle and Brad Nessler, and the three of us were just looking at us like, "Is this a joke?" It was unbelievable.
And the rest of the country missed out on it, unless you watched the re-airing at 2 in the morning.
But, hey, we've all done stupid things.
One of my stupid things I did on the air was at ESPN when I called Doug Collins a mediocre player. At the break, our stat guy informed me that he'd been a multiple All-Star, the first pick of the draft. I immediately wanted to regurgitate my size-14 Donald Pliner shoes. I felt really stupid.
In Defense of Bruce
For Bruce Bowen not to win the Defensive Player of the Year Award, after all these years, is another thing that's just plain stupid.
I've told this story numerous times during telecasts. My senior year in high school, Arizona coach Lute Olson came to watch me play. I had like 30-something points, 14 or 15 rebounds and nine blocked shots.
He called the next day and said, "You played pretty well, but I've got to get you to play some defense." My reaction, in my head, was, "What do you mean? I had nine blocks." But I learned quickly my first two weeks of practice at Arizona that defense isn't defined by blocking shots. It's just one nuance of the game.
This year, the media picked a shot-blocker (Denver's Marcus Camby) on a team that was 27th or 28th in the league in defense. Yes, he blocked some shots, but you're going to block a lot of shots when guys are blowing past your perimeter defenders.
Bruce had a game earlier this year (against Portland) where he guarded everyone from Zach Randolph to Brandon Roy. He guarded (positions) 1 through 5 that game. In the past few weeks, he's guarded Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson and did the best job any of us have ever seen on Steve Nash.
He helped slow Deron Williams, and now is being asked to guard LeBron James. There's not a defender in the league who is asked to do that.
Everybody goes out there and practices jump shots, layups and dunks, but who goes out there and practices defense? It's about effort and working hard, and it's not glamorous.
A Golden Rule
I happened to run into Commissioner David Stern at an NBA reception for Game 1, and we talked about his decision on the rule that states no players can leave the bench during an altercation on the floor. What still totally boggles my mind about the entire situation, and it's what I told him, is that for some reason people in Phoenix forgot that that rule has been in place for years.
The media did such a disservice to the fans in this situation. They called for common sense, called for the commissioner to take a look at it and have leniency for those two guys. Maybe it was because the series was a fantastic series. But at the same time, what fans and media did was perpetuate the idea that this was a stupid rule.
Let me tell you, as a player that rule is etched in your mind. It's not only etched in there, it's hammered into your head every year. It's not an unknown rule. It may be an unknown rule to fans, but to players it's as second nature as not moving your pivot foot.
Furthermore, that rule has kept more altercations from happening than it has suspended players, or kept players out of games. To call it a stupid rule, especially being a player and calling it that, is being a little disingenuous.
So make no mistake: That rule is very, very well-known to players.
Obviously, it's hard for me to be unbiased in this situation, but as a player, the first thing I thought about was I can remember numerous times where things were going on on the court and we all looked at each other and said, "I'm not going out there."
People forget about the altercation this year with Denver and New York. As rowdy as that one got, the New York Knicks bench stayed put. And that altercation was way more ferocious than what happened here.
The rule was solidified after the Competition Committee didn't amend it last week.
link: http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/elliott/
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Nice job by the spurs again to try to keep public interest in the series by making it look close at the end.
Anyone think the Cavs win one in Cleveland?
Anyone think the Cavs win one in Cleveland?
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Danny White;1524671 said:Nice job by the spurs again to try to keep public interest in the series by making it look close at the end.
Anyone think the Cavs win one in Cleveland?
During the rout, I'd say no. But after that comeback I'm going to go out on a limb and upgrade that to a maybe-possibly-could be-might-take one.
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MC KAos;1524652 said:
Bill Simmons for ESPN Page 2 wrote a similar article about a week ago. Other than a couple teams like the Suns and Mavs I don't know of better teams to watch than the Spurs for the West. You think the Jazz or Rockets would be more exciting? Other than games five and six (because of LeBron) the Cavs-Pistons series was sloppy and poorly executed. Like my mama always said, I'll take good basketball over bad basketball every day of the week.