Start, Bench, Cut – Aikman, Romo, Dak

[CowboyFrog]

Well to be fair keep in mind, he had a great run game, good to great wr's , great defense, and great HC and OC and Dc.
If he hadnt had all that he might have had a ordinary career.
The one thing about troy is he did play good once in playoffs. He stepped up in playoffs, and romo and dak step down.

Thats really it those 90's team were far and away better at just about every position..Troy absolutley played with laser focus in the playoffs (well had that rocky SF start) but he was up to the task in playoffs. We will never know if Romo and Dak tried to do too much in the playoffs to make up for lesser teams or if the light is just too bright...but yeah Give me playoff Irvin over anything at WR since. "Im going to you no matter what" and knowing its going to work is a QB's dream.

 

[plasticman]

I would take Aikman and cut everyone else. Dak and Romo don't even deserve to be in the same sentence.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not sure about that. There are some people in this thread that inexplicably would take Dak over both Romo and Aikman. I can understand the Romo one, but Aikman? Come on. That's insane.

Anyone who says Dak over Aikman is trolling. It’s not even a fair comp. Dak is still in his career writing his story.

 

[Gator88]

We lost to the packers in the playoffs buddy. Dak had 300 yards and 3 tds with a 100 qbr. But at least you tried to sound like you knew what you were talking about. Defense blew it if you recall.

it was 100% the time to turn the page with romo.

Yes, Dak's performance in the playoffs was an average at best home performance against GB that year, GB's defense was that bad. Taking context into account, it was a poor showing even if the overall numbers look pretty.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes, Dak's performance in the playoffs was an average at best home performance against GB that year, GB's defense was that bad. Taking context into account, it was a poor showing even if the overall numbers look pretty.

BWAAAAAA!!! Sure buddy, whatever you say. Poor showing. 300 yards and 3 TD's. 100 QBR. Horrible game by Dak. And for a rookie. He should be ashamed of himself.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes, Dak's performance in the playoffs was an average at best home performance against GB that year, GB's defense was that bad. Taking context into account, it was a poor showing even if the overall numbers look pretty.

Basically Dak will not get credit for good games but will get full credit for bad ones....Zack Martin gets beat by Donald does he suck even though he beats all the less than stellar DT's?

 

[Gator88]

BWAAAAAA!!! Sure buddy, whatever you say. Poor showing. 300 yards and 3 TD's. 100 QBR. Horrible game by Dak. And for a rookie. He should be ashamed of himself.

Lol, you again don't understand nuance. Dak's performance was good for a rookie seeing his first playoff action. The point was that there was plenty of room for improvement if you plugged in a veteran QB with experience. Considering how close the game was, that would have been the difference between a win and a loss.

Basically Dak will not get credit for good games but will get full credit for bad ones....Zack Martin gets beat by Donald does he suck even though he beats all the less than stellar DT's?

The comparison made was more like, let's say the Cowboys were starting a center that gave up an average of 2 sacks a game to his opposing DT. Should we be impressed by the DT that opposes them in the playoffs when he puts up 2 sacks?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Lol, you again don't understand nuance. Dak's performance was good for a rookie seeing his first playoff action. The point was that there was plenty of room for improvement if you plugged in a veteran QB with experience. Considering how close the game was, that would have been the difference between a win and a loss.


The comparison made was more like, let's say the Cowboys were starting a center that gave up an average of 2 sacks a game to his opposing DT. Should we be impressed by the DT that opposes them in the playoffs when he puts up 2 sacks?

yeah i dont think they count only some sacks do they not count them all? So basically if Parsons averages 2 sacks a game its MEH unless he gets 3 to 4?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lol, you again don't understand nuance. Dak's performance was good for a rookie seeing his first playoff action. The point was that there was plenty of room for improvement if you plugged in a veteran QB with experience. Considering how close the game was, that would have been the difference between a win and a loss.


The comparison made was more like, let's say the Cowboys were starting a center that gave up an average of 2 sacks a game to his opposing DT. Should we be impressed by the DT that opposes them in the playoffs when he puts up 2 sacks?

Buddy, 300 yards and 3 TD's and a 100QB is good for any QB. And great for a rookie.

But with your agenda and hatred, guys like you arent qualified to discuss Dak or QB's in general.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, Dak's performance in the playoffs was an average at best home performance against GB that year, GB's defense was that bad. Taking context into account, it was a poor showing even if the overall numbers look pretty.

Average? Huh lol?

 

[john van brocklin]

Nice quiet thread for Monday ...

Me:
Start - Aikman
Bench - Romo
Cut - Dak

COWBOYS!

Agreed

 

[john van brocklin]

there is no world or scenario I ever take dak over romo, or romo over Aikmen

Aikman >romo>dak

Smart man!

 

[Vtwin]

Buddy, 300 yards and 3 TD's and a 100QB is good for any QB. And great for a rookie.

But with your agenda and hatred, guys like you arent qualified to discuss Dak or QB's in general.

lol

Dak played like crap for periods of the game and whiffed completely on a few golden opportunities to get the ONE score that would have changed the outcome, just as you would expect a rookie to do in a pressure cooker. The final possession of the Cowboys was completely mishandled because of Dak the rookie. Instead of running a play after the big gainer, they had to call a timeout which lead to the three plays and a FG leaving far more time on the clock then should have been left.

But here is the real point your lack of understanding causes you to completely miss.... That Packers defense was horrible. Absolutely horrible. They proved it the very next week against the "great"(lol) Matt Ryan.

With even average BUT CONSISTENT play from the QB that was an easy win.

Pretty much the same could be said about loss to the Rams.

You're the quintennial example of a stats guy who has no understanding of the nuance of the game itself.

 

[CowboyFrog]

lol

Dak played like crap for periods of the game and whiffed completely on a few golden opportunities to get the ONE score that would have changed the outcome, just as you would expect a rookie to do in a pressure cooker. The final possession of the Cowboys was completely mishandled because of Dak the rookie. Instead of running a play after the big gainer, they had to call a timeout which lead to the three plays and a FG leaving far more time on the clock then should have been left.

But here is the real point your lack of understanding causes you to completely miss.... That Packers defense was horrible. Absolutely horrible. They proved it the very next week against the "great"(lol) Matt Ryan.

With even average BUT CONSISTENT play from the QB that was an easy win.

Pretty much the same could be said about loss to the Rams.

You're the quintennial example of a stats guy who has no understanding of the nuance of the game itself.

Wait we lost the Rams game because of QB play? and your saying someone else doesnt understand the nuance of the game?

 

[CATCH17]

Lol imagine taking Dak over Aikman. Hilarious.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol imagine taking Dak over Aikman. Hilarious.

I wouldn’t do it. But if Dak played with Hall of Famers he’d have some rings too.

 

[CATCH17]

I wouldn’t do it. But if Dak played with Hall of Famers he’d have some rings too.

Dak’s paid like he’s a HOF’r so don’t cry about his surrounding which are above league average for the majority of his career.

 

[Haimerej]

I 'liked', then 'unliked' your post bro.

Romo had a franchise record 13 Pro Bowlers around him in 2007. Yes, 13! He had a very good Oline and group of RBs at that time, plus some pretty decent Defenses during 2006 - 2015. Same goes for a rushing attack 2 years later in 2009. Also the 2014 season. Let's stop saying Romo never had a running game or support from his Defenses, because he had them for most of his starting years (2006 - 2015), much better than Dak had.

Don't believe me? Check out this statmuse link. Go to the top tab and press on "PPG" to show the points per game averages Cowboys Defenses gave up as an average every year (between 2000 - 2022). Most of Romo's starting years were pretty good Defenses, better than what Dak has had.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/cowboys-defensive-rankings-by-year-2000-to-2021

Five of the top 10 defenses in PPG since 2000 have been with Dak at QB. Three of the remaining 5 were '02, '03, and '05 (prior to Romo). So Romo had 2 of the top 10 ppg defenses ('09 and '07) since 2000. Dak has had half of them.

As far as rushing, again, 5 of the top 10 years were with Dak ('16-'19, '21). Also, again, 3 of the remaining 5 were prior to Romo ('00, '01, '03).

Rushing stats

Thanks for the link. Sorry it completely contradicted the point you were making.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak’s paid like he’s a HOF’r so don’t cry about his surrounding which are above league average for the majority of his career.

But where they better than the teams that won the SB? we have done better than league average while Dak has been QB, again i dont think Dak is elite but he is far from the worst player on this team very far.

 

[aikemirv]

Romo in 92/93 would have been very cool to see. Can you imagine?

I love Romo but I don't think Romo matches that team well at all. He did not like checkdowns which Emmitt made a living on. He would not have been a fit with Irvin and the 10 yard outs. Not Romo's strength. Him and Novacek would have been fine. Romo's best fit for offensive production was the teams he was on with Witten, TO, Dez and so forth. They fit his style. The problem with Romo's team was not offensive production but Oline and Defense issues!