State of coaching and minorities in the NFL

[braw]

Don't need any flames first of all....This is just an observation.

Minorities as head coaches don't have a good track record. Byron Scott(NBA), Dusty Baker(MLB), and now Tony Dungy(NFL). If minorities need someone to blame about lack of opportunity look no further than your pioneers. I also like to add that I'm a minority. If your question is why hire retreads like Martz and Norv Turner its because they have won before.

On the other side of the coin. Where have all the great white runningbacks gone. Csonka, Nagorski, and Riggins. Yet they all produced Champioships.

People need to look at the NFL as a corporation because they are the three muskateers of business all for 1 and 1 for all. The board of directors are the individual owners and Coaches are top management. All of this is not a white thing, black thing, or a brown thing; but a green thing(money). Who brings in the most money. The NFL cares about the bottom line which is profits for its share holders( the owners). So then the question is who gives my organization the best chance to make money(TV contracts, ticket sales, Sponsorships, Luxury boxes). The product(games played) brings in your TV contracts. The players account for the ticket sales and merchandise sales. The organization( HC,owner, and Front office) account for luxury boxes and sponsorships. Just ask Texas Longhorn fans how much money Mack Brown has generated for the university.


In that pie of revenue the biggest piece is the TV contracts, then its the Sponsorships with luxury boxes, then ticket sales and merchandise.

So then in conclusion. Look at Notre Dame the difference between this year and last year. You see Quinn, Jeff, and Stoval were brought in by TY but Weis got the Alumni, Sponsors and TV interested in ND again. I bet before Charlie leaves Notre Dame will have generated the most money for the university in 20 years(Tv contract, sponsorships)

 

[burmafrd]

Of course quota's are illegal. BUT they exist anyway. ANYONE that does not think this happens is blind.

 

[AbeBeta]

Of course quota's are illegal. BUT they exist anyway. ANYONE that does not think this happens is blind.

anyone using a quota is simply applying affirmative action incorrectly. blame the organizations who do that -- not the law. I think though, far more common than quotas, are folks who want to believe that they didn't get a job because of a quota -- rather than because someone simply was more qualified.

 

[marsbennett]

Don't need any flames first of all....This is just an observation.

Minorities as head coaches don't have a good track record. Byron Scott(NBA), Dusty Baker(MLB), and now Tony Dungy(NFL).

Well, I disagree with the characterization that Dungy has a bad track record at TB or Indy. I suppose he'll be a 'loser' until he wins the SuperBowl. If folks summed up Tom Landry in such a manner, Landry wouldn't have been able to stay around long enough to be the HOF coach that he was.

 

[Verdict]

I realize that "race" is a very sensitive issue for many people and I'm not trying to stir the pot. In fact, while I am a white male, as an attorney I have fought ferverently for the rights of minorities and assisted them when they have been victims of civil rights violations, etc.

This minority coaching issue really is a double sided sword. Lets face it, owners are at the point where this is such big business, even if the owners were racist card carrying ****'s they would hire the best guy that they think can get their team to the superbowl even if the best candidate was a black woman Jew (Not trying to offend anyone here). Owners are not necessarily race neutral so much as they have to, out of necessity, find the best coach they can regardless of color.

Just this week on "Inside the NFL" I was listening to an interview of Lovie Smith, who has obviously done a great job with the Chicago Bears. The interviewer discusses "progress" in hiring black coaches in the NFL and, of course Lovie Smith states his pride that there are more black coaches in the NFL, and that we are making progress. Lets think about that statement for a moment. Its definitely not "race neutral" it is saying we need more black coaches. (I can already hear the grumbling, but wait before you get too preturbed at me).

Let's flip this thing around. Suppose there had been a white representative of say, the NFL player's union, saying look, there aren't nearly enough white players. The population demographics say the team should be mostly white. We need more white players. I'm so proud of player "W" because he is the league MVP and he is white. We are making more progress because there are more white players this year than last. Many of you would be ready to call him a racist and would desire great bodily harm be inflicted upon him.

Both the Lovie Smith interview, and the ficticious example I cited above are racist in nature. Neither should be acceptable. We have come a long way since the race riots and slavery days. However I am not suggesting race bias has been eradicated.

But I will say this.....I highly doubt that when the NFL draft comes around in April that any team will look at a player and ask what color is he and use that in their decision making process. It is, basically, a race neutral process, that will probably, statistically speaking, result in a disproportionate percentage of black players being taken. Is that racism because it doesn't line up with the demographics of American citizens? No. Teams pick a player becuse he can play, not because of his color.

I, as a white male, didn't flinch when Ware was chosen, because he was black. All I care is "can the guy play". I would suggest that if I had thought, gee, the Cowboys picked a black player, I'm going to root against him, that would be racism, pure and simple. On the other hand when citizens pull for a black coach, based on the fact he is black, or other race, it is no less racist.

A person should be chosen based upon MERIT alone, not his race.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

HEADS UP​

I have moved the two race threads to the off topic zone as they have been all over the map in topics.

Most have done a great job of keeping things civil and without letting things get out of hand.

However I would ask for people to keep a couple of things in mind.

1. Do NOT circumvent the language filter...in other words do not use curse words or do not change curse words to get past the filter.

2. Do not start calling each other names and using personal insults.

3. Do not turn this thread into a political.

Thanks a great deal and thanks to those keeping a civil manner during talks about a topic that can normally turn nasty.

Thanks again.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Don't need any flames first of all....This is just an observation.

Minorities as head coaches don't have a good track record. Byron Scott(NBA), Dusty Baker(MLB), and now Tony Dungy(NFL). If minorities need someone to blame about lack of opportunity look no further than your pioneers. I also like to add that I'm a minority. If your question is why hire retreads like Martz and Norv Turner its because they have won before.

Amazing......

Im not even going to bite on this one.

 

[marsbennett]

In fact, while I am a white male, as an attorney I have fought ferverently for the rights of minorities and assisted them when they have been victims of civil rights violations, etc.

Not to stir the pot, but
I bet you have......I hope you aren't one of dirt bag attorneys who hasn't seen a claimant he didn't like.....the type of guy who will sue an NFL organization because they would like to fire their HC (who happens to be black) because the coach isn't winning to please da massahs...er owners.

If you are one of the few that are looking out for the little people being steamrolled by the system then I to you.

 

[marsbennett]

HEADS UP​

I have moved the two race threads to the off topic zone as they have been all over the map in topics.

Most have done a great job of keeping things civil and without letting things get out of hand.

However I would ask for people to keep a couple of things in mind.

1. Do NOT circumvent the language filter...in other words do not use curse words or do not change curse words to get past the filter.

2. Do not start calling each other names and using personal insults.

3. Do not turn this thread into a political.

Thanks a great deal and thanks to those keeping a civil manner during talks about a topic that can normally turn nasty.

Thanks again.

Thanks.....How ya doing by the way Paint?

FYI, I spelled out the 'n' word earlier and the filter didn't grab it. I don't know why..obviously I changed it pronto, but I thought you'd want to know it made it through.....Can't say ****, but the big N got through it. Surprised me, to say the least.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Very nice post Verdict.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks.....How ya doing by the way Paint?

FYI, I spelled out the 'n' word earlier and the filter didn't grab it. I don't know why..obviously I changed it pronto, but I thought you'd want to know it made it through.....Can't say ****, but the big N got through it. Surprised me, to say the least.

Doing fine, hope you are as well.

Thanks for the heads up I will get with reality about the language filter.

 

[braw]

Amazing......

Im not even going to bite on this one.

Track record being they won the majority of their games put together a good program, yet they left that program(team) for another. Did not finish(championship) their job.The Bills went to 4 consecutive SB did not win one ;yet, the Cowboys are looked at as the team of the 90's. So yes its about championships not a good program that can't win the big one.

 

[Verdict]

Very nice post Verdict.

I'm glad you liked it.