State of the Boys at the Bye

[xwalker]

There are plenty of factors, but injury isn't one of them.



I think they've all been a little off at various points throughout this season. There could be a number of reasons for it, but I don't see any injuries as valid reasons.

How can injury NOT be a factor? Leary definitely was not 100% when he returned. Injury was unequivocally a problem for Leary.

 

[Stash]

What team have you bee watching?

The one that's 2-3, what about you?

No Romo, No Dez

And for some people, that's an excuse for everyone else not doing their own jobs. Not for me.

Free, Martin, Leary all having issues from TC and even Smith had a pec muscle issue.

Weeks, if not months ago. Well last time to stop trying to use that as some excuse for underperforming. Every player in the league has some level of injury issue. You either play through it and play well, or you don't. If these guys were that hurt, they weren't be out there, unless the coaches and trainers were idiots.

Witten had 2 sprained ankles and a sprained knee, playing through all that.

Not part of my issue.

Yeah, I can see they are not banged up. They may be MASH candidates, but banged up...no, never....

That's the trouble, you can't "see" anything at all. Nothing but silver and blue and everything is awesome, even when it's not. Your fandom blinds you to what's actually happening and you can't bear any talk other than how great everything is, even after 3 straight losses and one of the most inept offenses in the league.

You somehow consider it a requirement of your fandom to see every silver lining, even when it doesn't exist, and to blind yourself and reach for excuses for each and every issue the team has. Some of us are capable of seeing both sides, good and bad.

 

[Stash]

How can injury NOT be a factor? Leary definitely was not 100% when he returned. Injury was unequivocally a problem for Leary.

Then why was he out there when the team had not one, but two options?

Are they that stupid?

After all, they're the people who see him each and every day?

Is that the case you're making?

 

[jazzcat22]

The one that's 2-3, what about you?

And for some people, that's an excuse for everyone else not doing their own jobs. Not for me.



Weeks, if not months ago. Well last time to stop trying to use that as some excuse for underperforming. Every player in the league has some level of injury issue. You either play through it and play well, or you don't. If these guys were that hurt, they weren't be out there, unless the coaches and trainers were idiots.



Not part of my issue.



That's the trouble, you can't "see" anything at all. Nothing but silver and blue and everything is awesome, even when it's not. Your fandom blinds you to what's actually happening and you can't bear any talk other than how great everything is, even after 3 straight losses and one of the most inept offenses in the league.

You somehow consider it a requirement of your fandom to see every silver lining, even when it doesn't exist, and to blind yourself and reach for excuses for each and every issue the team has. Some of us are capable of seeing both sides, good and bad.

You are wrong...just simply wrong, you don't know me or know what I think. I know the issues with this team. I just choose not to whine and cry and hate everything this team does...because I am a fan...not a troll whine boy.....

 

[cowboys2233]

This. This pass rush may give us a chance. Marinelli will continue to send waves at the QB. But with Hardy and Gregory in the mix, those waves will be effective.

Yup, I am confident this will be one of the very best defenses in the league in short order. I can't wait to see what they can do with Gregory back in there. I think Eli better buckle that chin strap.

 

[xwalker]

Then why was he out there when the team had not one, but two options?

Are they that stupid?

After all, they're the people who see him each and every day?

Is that the case you're making?

Bernadeau was not good when he split snaps with Collins in a game. Collins made a significant number of mistakes in run blocking when he played including going the wrong way on plays more than once.

There is no way to test a groin injury other than to get feedback from the player. If Leary said he was ready to go, then there's not much they can do considering that they only carry 7 OL on the 46.

If you studied the game film you would see that Leary was protecting himself. He even made a statement after the injury that he knows how to protect himself from that injury but got amped up in a game situation and didn't do it when the initial injury occurred.

It's not something they would really see in practice. They had to look at the Saints game and decide if Leary with another week removed from injury would be the best option for the Pats game. If it's remotely close, coaches are always going to learn towards the veteran.

 

[Sydla]

One small quibble with the OP.

We aren't tied with all the other NFCE teams. The Giants lead the division at 3-2.

 

[Stash]

You are wrong...just simply wrong, you don't know me or know what I think.

I know enough. Stick to the 3-7, keep believing stuff.

I know the issues with this team. I just choose not to whine and cry and hate everything this team does...because I am a fan...not a troll whine boy.....

No, you whine and cry and make excuses for every mistake like it's your job!

 

[Stash]

Bernadeau was not good when he split snaps with Collins in a game. Collins made a significant number of mistakes in run blocking when he played including going the wrong way on plays more than once.

There is no way to test a groin injury other than to get feedback from the player. If Leary said he was ready to go, then there's not much they can do considering that they only carry 7 OL on the 46.

If you studied the game film you would see that Leary was protecting himself. He even made a statement after the injury that he knows how to protect himself from that injury but got amped up in a game situation and didn't do it when the initial injury occurred.

It's not something they would really see in practice. They had to look at the Saints game and decide if Leary with another week removed from injury would be the best option for the Pats game. If it's remotely close, coaches are always going to learn towards the veteran.

The excuses never end.

 

[xwalker]

You are wrong...just simply wrong, you don't know me or know what I think. I know the issues with this team. I just choose not to whine and cry and hate everything this team does...because I am a fan...not a troll whine boy.....

If we lived in an earlier time in history, Stash would literally be the person running around screaming that the sky is falling.

 

[Stash]

If we lived in an earlier time in history, Stash would literally be the person running around screaming that the sky is falling.

And you'd have a red wig singing 'the sun'll come out, tomorrow!'

 

[burmafrd]

FACT: Martin was injured in training camp and was cleared to return to the field and has been out there for weeks now. Time to let that one go already.

FACT: Leary was injured, missed time, and then was cleared to return and put back into the starting lineup. If he wasn't ready to go, the trainers and coaches who see him each and every day are morons to put him back out there.

These attempted excuses for poor play are lame. The team and the players can admit they're not playing up to par, but some fans can't bear it.

what is lame is that you are not a doctor and did not examine either martin or leary yet YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT ON THEIR CONDITION.

 

[Stash]

what is lame is that you are not a doctor and did not examine either martin or leary yet YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT ON THEIR CONDITION.

I don't 'claim' anything. Other than the fact that only fans are trying to use this lame excuse.

The team and players themselves aren't and admit themselves that they're having issues.

They can, some super fans can't.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Any chance we can get this thread back on topic?

 

[RS12]

Offense: Romo isn't coming back for another 4-5 games so Matt Cassel gets his shot to prove he should be the long-term back up and a part of a winning solution here. I've always liked Weeden just fine as a clipboard holder but I think it is fair to all to assume he has a new profession this time next year. Romo/Cassel/Moore sounds just fine to me. I suspect Cassel will be much more like a young Romo. He is going to try to win games not just drive the bus. That means he may lose some games but he'll go down shooting. If so, put me down for that as opposed to the death by a thousand cuts of last week.

RB by committee hasn't worked. But I don't know if Jim Brown or Barry Sanders could have saved this offense.
The OL hasn't been sharp because some guys have been banged up. And we've had little threat down the field to draw safeties off the run game. Just ask church or Wilcox how much easier it is to make tackles playing 8 yards off the ball and filling holes as it is running up from 15 yards and trying to handle an open field RB. But the OL should be healthier after the Bye week then they've been all year and a fairly fresh Collins should be a large step up. If Cassel will really challenge downfield then we should see some room to run finally.

WR is a position where Dallas needs another outside option. Dez is Dez and Twill is a nice 3rd outside guy. That works most times but he is not ready to step up and take on more. He can't catch. The other outside guys can't get open. While everyone is salivating over RB next draft point me at the WRs.

I think the draft goes heavy offensive skill and back seven on defense. I think if the draft falls right and a QB they like is there, they pull the trigger. Romo while top five has missed his share of time the last few years and at 36 time to look at heir apparent.

 

[jazzcat22]

I know enough. Stick to the 3-7, keep believing stuff.



No, you whine and cry and make excuses for every mistake like it's your job!

Wow, you guessed what I do for a living......you win a package of snot rags....as I don't need them....

 

[gmoney112]

Even is 3 of them are perfect, it's difficult to run if 2 of them are struggling. Leary returned too soon from injury. He was just not the same player that he was last year. Free has never been very good but is really struggling now. It's embarrassing to watch him at times. Martin has to stay with the initial rusher when defenses stunt because he is unable to hand-off that play to Free. In the run game they try to scheme to get Free matched up on LBs because he gets overpowered by DLinemen; however, he often can't even get movement on LBs.

Yep. Those two struggled, and i'll attribute Leary's performance to his injury because he normally doesn't look that bad.

The fact remains though, it's not "the line" underachieving, it's two guys that had a bad game. We're stuck with one of them for the near future, unfortunately.

However, Tyron, Travis, and Zack played up to snuff against the Pats. They were off in the beginning of the year, probably from lack of action in preseason, and new RB's that don't have the same experience as Murray.

You can have 5 All-Pro's on the line of scrimmage, but if teams know your QB can't throw a 15 yard out route to a guy that's college open, it's not going to do you much good.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Absolutely must win our division games.

 

[Stash]

Wow, you guessed what I do for a living......you win a package of snot rags....as I don't need them....

Looks like they're all used up.

No thanks.

 

[Stash]

Any chance we can get this thread back on topic?

I'm willing to if everyone else is!