State of the Coaching Staff

[Aikbach]

You guys that gripe about playoff progress making just enough room to satisfy Jones that Phillips should stay should thank your lucky stars Childress isn't coach.

Vike fans have wanted him out, he's listless and unimaginative and now they'll be stuck with him at least two more seasons and I promise you a championship game loss or even a super bowl loss will not clear his mediocre reputation.

All things considered despite today's offensive implosion Phillips is among the best in the conference:

I'm glad Coughlin isn't in Dallas, i'm glad Shanahan isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Reid isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Mike McCarthy isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Lovie Smith isn't,Raheem Morris, Mike Smith and John Fox are welcome to stay put; while the jury is out on Mike Singeltary and Pete Carrol.

The lone existing head coaches in the NFC that I would take over phillips are Ken Whisenhunt and Sean Payton.

I'll leave it to the eye of the beholder to determine whether or not that is a compliment to Wade Phillips or an indictment about head coaching in the NFC but as things stand can you honesty say Wade Phillips is not one of the best coaches in the conference, one with upside and not has been status or perpetual mediocrity?

 

[Aikbach]

Got buried quick by the momentum in other threads, pulled a Cowboy offensive maneuver there.

 

[newlander]

too tired and fried to argue COHERENTLY with your post tonight my friend. All I know is, it isn't really working with WAde. He'll probably get one more year but with that gauntlet of a schedule next season, he might wish he hadn't. If JJ wants to start the Red era, I have a feeling he might just do it now, get some new blood in for assistants and go from there. IS that the smartest thing to do? IS it what you or I would do? No, but JJ is a strange cat we already know that.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

TEXAS...oh wait, was that the question?

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

speaking of the coaches....they are headed to the pro bowl to coach the NFC squad. maybe they can do some recruiting.

:starspin

 

[Oh_Canada]

speaking of the coaches....they are headed to the pro bowl to coach the NFC squad. maybe they can do some recruiting.

:starspin

You would rather have Phillips over John Fox? If Fox had Dallas' talent there is no way he gets blown out this game. The guy has never had a quarterback and his o-line seems to be obliterated every season....Fox is a very good head coach.....Stay Puff is a very good def coordinator...as a head coach not so much.

 

[Kangaroo]

You guys that gripe about playoff progress making just enough room to satisfy Jones that Phillips should stay should thank your lucky stars Childress isn't coach.

Vike fans have wanted him out, he's listless and unimaginative and now they'll be stuck with him at least two more seasons and I promise you a championship game loss or even a super bowl loss will not clear his mediocre reputation.

All things considered despite today's offensive implosion Phillips is among the best in the conference:

I'm glad Coughlin isn't in Dallas, i'm glad Shanahan isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Reid isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Mike McCarthy isn't in Dallas, I'm glad Lovie Smith isn't,Raheem Morris, Mike Smith and John Fox are welcome to stay put; while the jury is out on Mike Singeltary and Pete Carrol.

The lone existing head coaches in the NFC that I would take over phillips are Ken Whisenhunt and Sean Payton.

I'll leave it to the eye of the beholder to determine whether or not that is a compliment to Wade Phillips or an indictment about head coaching in the NFC but as things stand can you honesty say Wade Phillips is not one of the best coaches in the conference, one with upside and not has been status or perpetual mediocrity?

You mean the same John Fox that has been to a Super Bowl as a head coach, Lovie Smith as well yet Wade is some how better than them

 

[Hostile]

Ken Whisenhunt's teams gave up 90 points in the last 2 games and you'd take him over Wade?

 

[Kangaroo]

Ken Whisenhunt's teams gave up 90 points in the last 2 games and you'd take him over Wade?

Yet he has a better playoff recorded than Wade an NFC Championship and a Superbowl appearance

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ken Whisenhunt's teams gave up 90 points in the last 2 games and you'd take him over Wade?

yeah but there was consistency.... 45 pts per game















:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Yet he has a better playoff recorded than Wade an NFC Championship and a Superbowl appearance

That and 75 cents will buy you a 12 ounce soda pop from some machines.

 

[theebs]

Yet he has a better playoff recorded than Wade an NFC Championship and a Superbowl appearance

yeah but I was told we are playing for rings not hats.

All ken whisenhut has is a hat.

He must be a loser.

 

[Kangaroo]

That and 75 cents will buy you a 12 ounce soda pop from some machines.

My question is how is Wade a better coach regular season yes but the W-L in the post season the coach who had a team give up 45 points still one one game and then got blown out and still has done a better job in the playoffs than Wade.

So a 1-5 playoff coach gets you 75cents and no soda pop

 

[RainMan]

I'll be honest -- in today's game, I think good coaching is very relative.

You have a handful -- or fewer -- of elite head coaches who impact the game on a historical level. Belichick was one, even if his luster is starting to die down as Brady ages, his defense falls apart and cheating is no longer a part of his strategy.

I think there are also a handful of over-their-head, putrid head coaches. Guys who make terrible in-game decisions, misuse timeouts, waste challenges, etc. Zorn probably fits this bill.

As for the rest, I think a lot of them are victims/heroes of their circumstances. You look at guys like Fox and Lovie Smith, who made a Super Bowl but have done, umm, what exactly since? Dungy's a guy who gets one Super Bowl with perhaps the best QB ever, and a bunch of early exits in every other year -- and he's one of the 'all-timers' of the past 10-15 years.

Wade certainly isn't a head coach for the ages, and he certainly isn't a bum. And I realize for "the Dallas Cowboys" that's not enough for the masses. But I think in truth, Wade has this thing going in the right direction. And if we ultimately can get a few better pieces and play our best in the postseason, we'll have a chance to get to a Super Bowl. If not, we won't.

But by no means do I think there is some mythological, heroic coach to be had that we must pounce on. Hell, if Phillips wins a Super Bowl in the next few years, he'll have done so quicker than guys like Cowher, Fisher (yeah, I know) and Dungy lol.

 

[Hostile]

My question is how is Wade a better coach regular season yes but the W-L in the post season the coach who had a team give up 45 points still one one game and then got blown out and still has done a better job in the playoffs than Wade.

So a 1-5 playoff coach gets you 75cents and no soda pop

I realize you're bitter. I didn't get to see the game, so forgive me if I don't understand it yet. By morning I will have watched the game.

Giving up 90 points in 2 games is beyond me to say he is better because of last year. I just don't get it because I have not seen the game yet.

 

[RainMan]

yeah but I was told we are playing for rings not hats.

All ken whisenhut has is a hat.

He must be a loser.

Other people's hats count for something. Only ours don't.

 

[Hostile]

I'll be honest -- in today's game, I think good coaching is very relative.

You have a handful -- or fewer -- of elite head coaches who impact the game on a historical level. Belichick was one, even if his luster is starting to die down as Brady ages, his defense falls apart and cheating is no longer a part of his strategy.

I think there are also a handful of over-their-head, putrid head coaches. Guys who make terrible in-game decisions, misuse timeouts, waste challenges, etc. Zorn probably fits this bill.

As for the rest, I think a lot of them are victims/heroes of their circumstances. You look at guys like Fox and Lovie Smith, who made a Super Bowl but have done, umm, what exactly since? Dungy's a guy who gets one Super Bowl with perhaps the best QB ever, and a bunch of early exits in every other year -- and he's one of the 'all-timers' of the past 10-15 years.

Wade certainly isn't a head coach for the ages, and he certainly isn't a bum. And I realize for "the Dallas Cowboys" that's not enough for the masses. But I think in truth, Wade has this thing going in the right direction. And if we ultimately can get a few better pieces and play our best in the postseason, we'll have a chance to get to a Super Bowl. If not, we won't.

But by no means do I think there is some mythological, heroic coach to be had that we must pounce on. Hell, if Phillips wins a Super Bowl in the next few years, he'll have done so quicker than guys like Cowher, Fisher (yeah, I know) and Dungy lol.

You make way too much sense for a guy sporting a Pacman avatar and username.

Great post.

 

[Kangaroo]

I realize you're bitter. I didn't get to see the game, so forgive me if I don't understand it yet. By morning I will have watched the game.

Giving up 90 points in 2 games is beyond me to say he is better because of last year. I just don't get it because I have not seen the game yet.

I am not bitter at all but when people go spouting that Wade is better than this current coach or this coach yet those coaches took teams with less talent and have done a better job in the playoffs how is he a better HC ? Then again I never seen Wade as anything more than above average and once again he comes of as a bad coach in the playoffs. Marty Schothimmer great regular season coach terrible playoff coach it is what it is.

If Wade is back I expect the same thing next year maybe make the playoffs maybe miss and never advanced to the NFC Championship maybe if he has umpteen tries like Andy Reid he may well get there but his previous track record and his current one are pointing to the no category

In fact I never got mad during the game I pretty much knew the game was over after not going for it on 4th -1; followed the missed fg and then the TD catch dallas looked like a fighter in a fight that got hammered hit the floor took a 10 standing count and fought the rest of the fight like they where a punch drunk boxer and ended up KO'd after they where dominating the 1st few rounds

 

[Aikbach]

Ken Whisenhunt's teams gave up 90 points in the last 2 games and you'd take him over Wade?

As headcoach, not as a defensive coordinator, his team's are woefully talent deficient on defense and relies on a great passing game to squeak into the playoffs but they play above their talent level, which is coaching indicative.

They were by far the worst super bowl starting lineup ever and almost won last year.

Whisenhunt with a Dallas lineup would probably look similar to Wade Phillips' if not a bit better.

 

[RainMan]

I am not bitter at all but when people go spouting that Wade is better than this current coach or this coach yet those coaches took teams with less talent and have done a better job in the playoffs how is he a better HC ? Then again I never seen Wade as anything more than above average and once again he comes of as a bad coach in the playoffs. Marty Schothimmer great regular season coach terrible playoff coach it is what it is.

If Wade is back I expect the same thing next year maybe make the playoffs maybe miss and never advanced to the NFC Championship maybe if he has umpteen tries like Andy Reid he may well get there but his previous track record and his current one are pointing to the no category

In fact I never got mad during the game I pretty much knew the game was over after not going for it on 4th -1; followed the missed fg and then the TD catch dallas looked like a fighter in a fight that got hammered hit the floor took a 10 standing count and fought the rest of the fight like they where a punch drunk boxer and ended up KO'd after they where dominating the 1st few rounds

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.