State of the Coaching Staff

[Hostile]

I am not bitter at all but when people go spouting that Wade is better than this current coach or this coach yet those coaches took teams with less talent and have done a better job in the playoffs how is he a better HC ? Then again I never seen Wade as anything more than above average and once again he comes of as a bad coach in the playoffs. Marty Schothimmer great regular season coach terrible playoff coach it is what it is.

If Wade is back I expect the same thing next year maybe make the playoffs maybe miss and never advanced to the NFC Championship maybe if he has umpteen tries like Andy Reid he may well get there but his previous track record and his current one are pointing to the no category

In fact I never got mad during the game I pretty much knew the game was over after not going for it on 4th -1; followed the missed fg and then the TD catch dallas looked like a fighter in a fight that got hammered hit the floor took a 10 standing count and fought the rest of the fight like they where a punch drunk boxer and ended up KO'd after they where dominating the 1st few rounds

Yet I didn't do that. I didn't say anyone was better. I said how is a coach whose teams allowed 90 points in 2 games better. You sound bitter to me.

 

[Hostile]

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.

Uh, I am flat out going to shut up. You own this thread. That was a clinic.

 

[theebs]

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.

that is spot on man. Well Done.

 

[gmoney112]

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.

Agreed.

 

[casmith07]

RainMan for the win...excellent series of posts.

Always remember the equation for success, however:

spittle + a large chin/crazy nickname + yelling = championship. Instantly, by the way.

 

[RainMan]

RainMan for the win...excellent series of posts.

Always remember the equation for success, however:

spittle + a large chin/crazy nickname + yelling = championship. Instantly, by the way.

Ha, no kidding. I've long felt Wade is his biggest enemy in how he approaches the media. The media serves as his public forum, but he doesn't really give a damn about trying to portray a powerful, sturn image. So everyone feels like they can walk right over him and diminish his accomplishments.

It might get nothing done, but if he chewed out the occasional guy, told great stories at press conferences and threatened to limit media access if certain things are printed, he'd be portrayed as a much different guy, I bet.

And that's not to say Wade should -- or is obligated -- to act in such a manner. It's just to say public opinion sways to the guy who acts like a powerful blow hard.

 

[Clove]

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.

I disagree, but only because I want attention right now. :

 

[Dave_in-NC]

My problem with the coaching argument is that I fear so many subscribe to the "FIRE HIM!!" mentality because it serves as a way for us to feel like someone had to 'pay' for the loss. In reality, I don't think we're at a stage right now where someone must 'pay.'

For me, the decision whether to keep a coach or not is all about whether you have the organizational structure in place to win. If a season-ending loss is a sign your organization is in shambles, as I feared was the case last year, I think you can the coach. But if the structure is sound, I think you keep marching forward.

It's why guys like Jeff Fisher -- despite a 15-year history of PROVING he can't win the big game -- stay employed, and justifiably so IMO. He's a good coach who happens to have not won a Super Bowl, but he gives them a fighting chance every year. Bill Cowher was the same way. I think Andy Reid is, too.

I really think Wade has brought that same sense of organizational sanity here. We're a good team that happened to lose to a better team today in a game that was a one or two-possession game for three quarters. It got out of hand late, but it'd be silly to fire our coach because of an artificially enhanced "blow out."

My two cents.

1-5 when it matters most.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Other people's hats count for something. Only ours don't.

Tell the players they are playing for hats. Didn't Romo say tonight the didn't reach their goal?

 

[RainMan]

1-5 when it matters most.

And it is a damning statistic, no doubt.

For me, Wade has progressed past the "0-3" playoff record he had coming here. He came here being "unable" to win a playoff game, and now he's just "unable" to get to a conference title game. Ah, progress. :

I'll admit that my fear with Phillips is that he doesn't scream head coaching excellence. By no means do I think he'll ever go down as an all-time type of a head coach, even if he were to take us to a Super Bowl. Given my druthers, yeah, I'd rather have a guy that is unqestionably one of the best to ever grace a sideline. I just don't see how we can find that guy without enduring a major risk, and I'm not sure if right now is the time to try something wild with regards to the coaching staff. Heck, it might well be the time. I could absolutely be wrong.

I just think what we're doing is working pretty well right now. We got outclassed today, but I thought it came down to more of a manpower issue than a coaching problem. We thought we had the horses to rattle Favre and to contain their pass rush. We didn't on both fronts.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And it is a damning statistic, no doubt.

For me, Wade has progressed past the "0-3" playoff record he had coming here. He came here being "unable" to win a playoff game, and now he's just "unable" to get to a conference title game. Ah, progress. :

I'll admit that my fear with Phillips is that he doesn't scream head coaching excellence. By no means do I think he'll ever go down as an all-time type of a head coach, even if he were to take us to a Super Bowl. Given my druthers, yeah, I'd rather have a guy that is unqestionably one of the best to ever grace a sideline. I just don't see how we can find that guy without enduring a major risk, and I'm not sure if right now is the time to try something wild with regards to the coaching staff. Heck, it might well be the time. I could absolutely be wrong.

I just think what we're doing is working pretty well right now. We got outclassed today, but I thought it came down to more of a manpower issue than a coaching problem. We thought we had the horses to rattle Favre and to contain their pass rush. We didn't on both fronts.

Fourth and one, you have Winnie the pooh as your kicker. You HAVE moved the ball and you put Winnie in to kick a for ever (for him) filed goal. Send a message to your team that we can't get a yard in our biggest game since being teammates. Nawwwwww, No bad coaching there.

Phillips has balls of cotton. That aint good for a HC.

 

[RainMan]

Fourth and one, you have Winnie the pooh as your kicker. You HAVE moved the ball and you put Winnie in to kick a for ever (for him) filed goal. Send a message to your team that we can't get a yard in our biggest game since being teammates. Nawwwwww, No bad coaching there.

Phillips has balls of cotton. That aint good for a HC.

I think it was a little more of a tossup decision than you, but I'll agree he certainly went with the less brazen approach. Romo talked afterward (not about this specific instant, but generally speaking) about how they knew they needed to score points in this game and not settle for field goals. And there we were settling -- and for a kick essentially outside our guy's range.

But do you fire Wade over that?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That and 75 cents will buy you a 12 ounce soda pop from some machines.

Soda pop?

Anyway, you're just cherry picking what stats you are wanting to look at. Both are empirical evidence you're just choosing which one you want to look at.

The last two games he coacheds outcomes are just as meaningless as your can of coke.

 

[UnoDallas]

RainMan for the win...excellent series of posts.

Always remember the equation for success, however:

spittle + a large chin/crazy nickname + yelling = championship. Instantly, by the way.

an what wait aonother 15 years ?

 

[Hostile]

1-5 when it matters most.

1-2.

I couldn't really give two hoots in hell what he has done in Denver, Buffalo, and Atlanta. I care about what he has done in Dallas.

1-5 is nothing but a strawman pissing match.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I think it was a little more of a tossup decision than you, but I'll agree he certainly went with the less brazen approach. Romo talked afterward (not about this specific instant, but generally speaking) about how they knew they needed to score points in this game and not settle for field goals. And there we were settling -- and for a kick essentially outside our guy's range.

But do you fire Wade over that?

Who's decision was it to kick it? I knew we would miss and I don't attend practices. I just laughed when he sent Sushi on the field.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

1-2.

I couldn't really give two hoots in hell what he has done in Denver, Buffalo, and Atlanta. I care about what he has done in Dallas.

1-5 is nothing but a strawman pissing match.

Ok 1-2 in Dallas 1-5 in his career. I do care about his career. It shows chances are he can't get it done.

 

[Hostile]

Soda pop?

Anyway, you're just cherry picking what stats you are wanting to look at. Both are empirical evidence you're just choosing which one you want to look at.

The last two games he coacheds outcomes are just as meaningless as your can of coke.

Huh? I merely said I can't see putting a coach whose team gave up 90 points in 2 straight games ahead of him. Hell, I can't see it in front of anyone.

90 points man. Do you realize how much fun that would be to live with? I've never seen some of the guys on here so happy. They'd be having orgasms of delight if we did that.

 

[UnoDallas]

Jason Garrett as HC

OC/Asst HC - Norv Turner - possible

OL - Peter Metzelaars – Bruce Matthews - Aaron Kromer

DC/Asst HC - Mike Nolan - possible

DC - Reggie Herring - Keith Butler

DL coach – Bryan Cox - Ron Aiken
DB coach- Dennis Thurman

LB coach - Kevin Greene

 

[Hostile]

Ok 1-2 in Dallas 1-5 in his career. I do care about his career. It shows chances are he can't get it done.

Bill Belichick couldn't get it done in Cleveland either. I think he's proven himself in the interim.

Please note before you fly off the handle that I did NOT compare Wade to Belichick.