State of the Team (3 games in)

[xwalker]

Hopefully dallas can get a pass rush after the bye. Only 3 sacks so far and 2 were by linebackers. That's terrible!

Atlanta was the only good opportunity for sacks. The Giants and Eagles get the ball out in about 2 seconds which minimizes the defense's ability to get sacks.

Atlanta is more traditional with 5 and 7 step drops but they didn't have the DEs to rush the passer. They even tried using LBs Wilber and Wilson (6', 240) as DEs. They also had DT Jack Crawford at DE but he has bulked up too much to play there.

 

[xwalker]

sorry, I don't play fantasy football. how do we plan to fit in forte and jeffries under the cap? and how will they fix the problem when we don't throw down field more than 10 yards. or to a WR for that matter.

Yep, he thinks he is playing Madden.

 

[Doomsday101]

"Offense - The offense is reeling. There is only so much that the offense can do if we're unwilling to throw the ball 10+ yards. That will get you exposed quickly, which is exactly what happened against the Falcons. Everything was fine until Weeden threw that interception, which put them right back into the game, and allowed a depleted defense to get exposed against a multifacted offense in the Falcons."

That I can't agree with. Yes it was a dumb pass by Weeden but the very next drive Weeden drove the team down field in the 2 min offense and put 7 back on the board to extend the lead once again. I don't think the int was some turning point. I do agree the Cowboys need to be more aggressive with Weeden. I still expect the majority to be the shorter throws but feel they need to take some shots down the field as well if for no other reason to keep DB from keying on the short routs

 

[Doomsday101]

Atlanta was the only good opportunity for sacks. The Giants and Eagles get the ball out in about 2 seconds which minimizes the defense's ability to get sacks.

Atlanta is more traditional with 5 and 7 step drops but they didn't have the DEs to rush the passer. They even tried using LBs Wilber and Wilson (6', 240) as DEs. They also had DT Jack Crawford at DE but he has bulked up too much to play there.

I agree and had Dallas has an answer to the Alt running game the pass rush may have been more effective but hard to come after the QB when they are bull dozing us in the run game keeping Ryan in great down and distance situations.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Atlanta was the only good opportunity for sacks. The Giants and Eagles get the ball out in about 2 seconds which minimizes the defense's ability to get sacks.

Atlanta is more traditional with 5 and 7 step drops but they didn't have the DEs to rush the passer. They even tried using LBs Wilber and Wilson (6', 240) as DEs. They also had DT Jack Crawford at DE but he has bulked up too much to play there.

That's true they seemed to be using 3 step drops

 

[plasticman]

It wouldn't be any different with Murray.

The blocking has not been consistent.

With Dez and Romo out, it is easy to load up against the run.

Leary has missed 2 games.

Martin is not the same as last year. His neck injury has affected him. Hopefully that gets better.

Free is terrible. He was never a very good run blocker but now after 2 foot/ankle surgeries in the past 18 months he is really a mess. He failed to get any movement on a 240 pound LB. That's sad.

They miss Parnell more than Murray.

So let me understand this logic...

Despite the fact that Murray averaged 4.95 yards a carry BEFORE the 2014 season...was a thousand yard rusher the previous year....ran for over 700 yards in his first seven starts IN 2011 as a rookie....

....4th quarter rushing stats, 2011 to 2015

DeMarco Murray 181-811-4.46 YPC
Adrian Peterson 179-808-4.54 YPC....

..Ran behind a line of 5 starters that never played their position as a Cowboy in 2012 and he still averaged 4.1 yards a carry,....4.6 yards in the 2nd half...

.....Despite the fact that he was the Cowboys 3rd leading receiver over that 4 year period...an excellent blocker..

There would have been no difference in the outcome?

I mean, I understand the flawed perception that his effectiveness in Philadelphia, with a brand new offense and line, would indicate that he has been transformed into an average back that has underperformed this season. It would take a fundamental understanding of just how important it is for the RB and his line to be familiar with each other, their system, their plays, their tendencies, their 4 years of practice together, to realize that the running success last year wasn't because of the line...one person said it and, wa la....hook, line and sinker...it was the mutual combined effort of the RB and his line together.

I mean, really? A rookie, 2 second year players, a 4 year player, and Doug Free formed an "elite " line? We can depend on their consistent excellence to the point where we think the backup can do the same? Despite that, during the previous two seasons, he didn't do the same?

Okay, so where is this elite line? Oh, it's Martin's neck...That's the reason Randle can't make a 1st down in the 2nd half of games this season...it's the darndest thing, last year they were practically unstoppable, this season they can't keep their starting QB healthy, run out of steam and can't finish a drive in the 2nd half,

What happened? What could have possibly changed from last season to this one? Obviously, we can rule out the loss of the team's All Pro RB, the one that broke Jim Brown's record of consecutive 100 yard games, the one that broke Emmitt's single season rushing record, the first Cowboy with back to back 1000 yard rushing seasons since..yep...Emmit Smith....no, that would be crazy. It's not like DeMarco was elite, just because he broke the records of RB's that were considered....two of the most elite in history...NFL history, not Cowboy history...

No, it's got to be something else....oh, I know...they miss Parnell!

Does that just about sum it up?

 

[Corso]

So let me understand this logic...

Despite the fact that Murray averaged 4.95 yards a carry BEFORE the 2014 season...was a thousand yard rusher the previous year....ran for over 700 yards in his first seven starts IN 2011 as a rookie....

....4th quarter rushing stats, 2011 to 2015

DeMarco Murray 181-811-4.46 YPC
Adrian Peterson 179-808-4.54 YPC....

..Ran behind a line of 5 starters that never played their position as a Cowboy in 2012 and he still averaged 4.1 yards a carry,....4.6 yards in the 2nd half...

.....Despite the fact that he was the Cowboys 3rd leading receiver over that 4 year period...an excellent blocker..

There would have been no difference in the outcome?

I mean, I understand the flawed perception that his effectiveness in Philadelphia, with a brand new offense and line, would indicate that he has been transformed into an average back that has underperformed this season. It would take a fundamental understanding of just how important it is for the RB and his line to be familiar with each other, their system, their plays, their tendencies, their 4 years of practice together, to realize that the running success last year wasn't because of the line...one person said it and, wa la....hook, line and sinker...it was the mutual combined effort of the RB and his line together.

I mean, really? A rookie, 2 second year players, a 4 year player, and Doug Free formed an "elite " line? We can depend on their consistent excellence to the point where we think the backup can do the same? Despite that, during the previous two seasons, he didn't do the same?

Okay, so where is this elite line? Oh, it's Martin's neck...That's the reason Randle can't make a 1st down in the 2nd half of games this season...it's the darndest thing, last year they were practically unstoppable, this season they can't keep their starting QB healthy, run out of steam and can't finish a drive in the 2nd half,

What happened? What could have possibly changed from last season to this one? Obviously, we can rule out the loss of the team's All Pro RB, the one that broke Jim Brown's record of consecutive 100 yard games, the one that broke Emmitt's single season rushing record, the first Cowboy with back to back 1000 yard rushing seasons since..yep...Emmit Smith....no, that would be crazy. It's not like DeMarco was elite, just because he broke the records of RB's that were considered....two of the most elite in history...NFL history, not Cowboy history...

No, it's got to be something else....oh, I know...they miss Parnell!

Does that just about sum it up?

I may not agree with all of what you just said, but I have to say: you said it well.
I was getting ready to hoist up the John B sail for you, for a couple of seconds.

Nice work.

 

[dallasdave]

I may not agree with all of what you just said, but I have to say: you said it well.
I was getting ready to hoist up the John B sail for you, for a couple of seconds.

Nice work.

Speaking of sails, have you ran into Captain Morgan lately ?

 

[xwalker]

So let me understand this logic...

Despite the fact that Murray averaged 4.95 yards a carry BEFORE the 2014 season...was a thousand yard rusher the previous year....ran for over 700 yards in his first seven starts IN 2011 as a rookie....

....4th quarter rushing stats, 2011 to 2015

DeMarco Murray 181-811-4.46 YPC
Adrian Peterson 179-808-4.54 YPC....

..Ran behind a line of 5 starters that never played their position as a Cowboy in 2012 and he still averaged 4.1 yards a carry,....4.6 yards in the 2nd half...

.....Despite the fact that he was the Cowboys 3rd leading receiver over that 4 year period...an excellent blocker..

There would have been no difference in the outcome?

I mean, I understand the flawed perception that his effectiveness in Philadelphia, with a brand new offense and line, would indicate that he has been transformed into an average back that has underperformed this season. It would take a fundamental understanding of just how important it is for the RB and his line to be familiar with each other, their system, their plays, their tendencies, their 4 years of practice together, to realize that the running success last year wasn't because of the line...one person said it and, wa la....hook, line and sinker...it was the mutual combined effort of the RB and his line together.

I mean, really? A rookie, 2 second year players, a 4 year player, and Doug Free formed an "elite " line? We can depend on their consistent excellence to the point where we think the backup can do the same? Despite that, during the previous two seasons, he didn't do the same?

Okay, so where is this elite line? Oh, it's Martin's neck...That's the reason Randle can't make a 1st down in the 2nd half of games this season...it's the darndest thing, last year they were practically unstoppable, this season they can't keep their starting QB healthy, run out of steam and can't finish a drive in the 2nd half,

What happened? What could have possibly changed from last season to this one? Obviously, we can rule out the loss of the team's All Pro RB, the one that broke Jim Brown's record of consecutive 100 yard games, the one that broke Emmitt's single season rushing record, the first Cowboy with back to back 1000 yard rushing seasons since..yep...Emmit Smith....no, that would be crazy. It's not like DeMarco was elite, just because he broke the records of RB's that were considered....two of the most elite in history...NFL history, not Cowboy history...

No, it's got to be something else....oh, I know...they miss Parnell!

Does that just about sum it up?

I watch each run play this year and then envision what Murray would have done on that particular play. That is the basis for my belief that Murray wouldn't have much different results from what the current RBs are having. It has nothing to do with his current predicament.

Murray averaged 4.2 ypc when Weeden started last year. Randle averged 6.2 ypc in this game. McFadden averaged 5.8 ypc which would be 6.6 ypc if you take out his 2 yard TD run.

Randle had 3 TDs and McFadden had 1 in this game. Murray never had more than 2 TDs In a game last season and the current RBs had 4 in 1 game.

The current RBs have about 300 yards receiving through 3 games. Murray had just over 400 for the entire season.

Murray averaged 3.0 ypc against the Eagles last season. Randle + McFadden averaged 2.9 ypc against the Eagles and that was without Dez and without Romo for part of the game.

You might not have been posting here long enough to get the Parnell reference.