Stephen Jones: DeMarcus Lawrence, Ryan Russell could play DT; why Texas’ Malcom Brown didn’t fit J

[DFWJC]

And maybe there is your reason Rod Marenilli was 0-16 as a head coach.......

1. Stubborn...set in his ways
2. A fatal flaw in his system

Just saying

Or just maybe he wasn't made to be a head coach, just an outstanding DC.

 

[Galian Beast]

And maybe there is your reason Rod Marenilli was 0-16 as a head coach.......

1. Stubborn...set in his ways
2. A fatal flaw in his system

Just saying

Actually Marinelli was 0-16 because running a team like a head coach is completely different than running a defense.

 

[jobberone]

1 technique player in this rotation plays a very small amount of downs. It's like saying why don't you draft a linebacker in the 1st round to play strong side linebacker.

This defensive line is about getting pressure on the quarterback, not stopping the run. That is what the linebackers and secondary is for. That is why we have Lee and McClain.

You don't spend a high draft pick on a part time player. You think you would have learned that from the mess we have at tight end.

When we fall into the nickel, the 1 technique comes off the field. And we're in the nickel the majority of the time.

You see one of the defensive ends moving inside with crawford.

We have guys who can fill that role for when we need them to fill it. The fact that people can't come to grips with that, is astonishing.

If you had a 1 who could play the 3 equally then you'd have a very good to great player which I mentioned above. Suh is a 1/3 or 3/1 who can play two gaps as well.

You always looking for them and there are a few in the NFL now just not a lot.

 

[jobberone]

Actually Marinelli was 0-16 because running a team like a head coach is completely different than running a defense.

Last year they won 11 games. 2011 10. You then have to go back to 95 to get to double digit wins for the Lions. Schwartz led them to one WC berth but his teams were awful for a couple of years.

The Lions have been mismanaged for years and devoid of overall talent. That's why they have sucked.

 

[Redball Express]

Forever Hayden

Hayden is sort of a Chad Henning guy or a Tony Casillas type player.

Not spectacular but you know what he can contribute for 20-30 plays a game.

It's good.

Marinelli likes him for the 3rd year.

Whatever.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

To say that Lawrence and Russell can play DT is one thing, although I disagree with the assessment that DLaw can play DT, and I have not seen much of Russell to know otherwise.......but then to say that Brown did not fit into their system is ridiculous.. I saw TX play enough even with that sorry defense, only because of Brown and I can tell you that the guy is just a great football player and will play any system you want. NE has Wilfork's replacement for the next 10 years just like that.

And then to compare them to Maryland, an Outland Trophy winner at the position, and Lett who graded and performed very highly at the NAIA level at that position as well is also disingenuous. I guess sometimes you just try to talk yourself into why you did or did not do something and will come up with any excuse whether it makes sense or not. But you better come up with something better than that. I certainly hope they hit on Byron Jones, because if not, this is what will be talked about during the season if Jones is not performing like a first rounder and we are getting run down the throat.

The second most powerful man on the Cowboys just told you why we didn't draft Brown.

What part of we don't put first round value on strictly 1s in this scheme don't you understand?

 

[silver]

To say that Lawrence and Russell can play DT is one thing, although I disagree with the assessment that DLaw can play DT, and I have not seen much of Russell to know otherwise.......but then to say that Brown did not fit into their system is ridiculous.. I saw TX play enough even with that sorry defense, only because of Brown and I can tell you that the guy is just a great football player and will play any system you want. NE has Wilfork's replacement for the next 10 years just like that.

And then to compare them to Maryland, an Outland Trophy winner at the position, and Lett who graded and performed very highly at the NAIA level at that position as well is also disingenuous. I guess sometimes you just try to talk yourself into why you did or did not do something and will come up with any excuse whether it makes sense or not. But you better come up with something better than that. I certainly hope they hit on Byron Jones, because if not, this is what will be talked about during the season if Jones is not performing like a first rounder and we are getting run down the throat.

This

 

[silver]

The second most powerful man on the Cowboys just told you why we didn't draft Brown.

What part of we don't put first round value on strictly 1s in this scheme don't you understand?

At one point we didn't value the Center position and lined up guys like Frank Costa and Ryan Cook. That they don't value the 1 tech doesn't make Hayden any better than Costa or Cook at their time.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

At one point we didn't value the Center position and lined up guys like Frank Costa and Ryan Cook. That they don't value the 1 tech doesn't make Hayden any better than Costa or Cook at their time.

Wow. What a truly horrific analogy.

 

[silver]

Wow. What a truly horrific analogy.

Why is Hayden any different than Costa or Cook?

 

[darthseinfeld]

At one point we didn't value the Center position and lined up guys like Frank Costa and Ryan Cook. That they don't value the 1 tech doesn't make Hayden any better than Costa or Cook at their time.

They targeted Max Unger in 2009 and gave Gurode a sizeable extention after 2006. They had interest in Markice Pouncey in 2010 and Mike in 2011 They also liked Peter Konz in 2012. They value the position. They had to go with Costa and Cook for a couple seasons because in 2011 and 2012, they werent able to land a start level prospect in the draft

 

[jobberone]

My guess is they value every position. For many reasons you can't field the player you'd like or luck into one via late round picks or UDFAs. You can no longer fill a roster with excellent talent at every position unless you get very lucky. And if you do you have a hard time keeping them due to FA.

 

[Risen Star]

It wasn't Jerry.

But if it was, that'd be fine.

Some here seem to forget that Jerry played more football and at a higher level than 99% of all that have ever been on this forum.

Then, on top of that, he's been surrounded by professional football minds (some truly great ones) for the last 30 years.

And some here seem to forget the last two decades when left to his own devices.

He's a football moron.

 

[jobberone]

And some here seem to forget the last two decades when left to his own devices.

He's a football moron.

Who has won three SBs and now has us going in the right direction again. Not the best GM. Great owner and business man who is worth billions. Hard to hang the moron moniker on him. If legit then I could be so lucky to own the Cowboys etc.

 

[Galian Beast]

Last year they won 11 games. 2011 10. You then have to go back to 95 to get to double digit wins for the Lions. Schwartz led them to one WC berth but his teams were awful for a couple of years.

The Lions have been mismanaged for years and devoid of overall talent. That's why they have sucked.

Agreed, but he did nothing to turn them around.

 

[Galian Beast]

If you had a 1 who could play the 3 equally then you'd have a very good to great player which I mentioned above. Suh is a 1/3 or 3/1 who can play two gaps as well.

You always looking for them and there are a few in the NFL now just not a lot.

We have a rotation going on our line, no need to invest in a player like that. Note that they wanted to get Aaron Donald, but they aren't going over the top for a nose tackle.

 

[Risen Star]

At one point we didn't value the Center position and lined up guys like Frank Costa and Ryan Cook. That they don't value the 1 tech doesn't make Hayden any better than Costa or Cook at their time.

Yep. They finally came to their senses about the OL and completely changed the direction of the team. Now they've got to get over this 1 tech hump. I'll give you every cornerback on this roster for a dominant 1 tech.

I always assumed we didn't prioritize the 1 tech under Marinelli because of just not finding the right nickname fit.

BTW, the people that support this philosophy now also supported the collection of crap, get by mentality along the OL years ago. They have no credibility. Ignore them.

 

[jobberone]

Agreed, but he did nothing to turn them around.

Maybe him or the talent or both.

 

[jobberone]

We have a rotation going on our line, no need to invest in a player like that. Note that they wanted to get Aaron Donald, but they aren't going over the top for a nose tackle.

Not talking about a NT but someone who can play the 0, 1, and 3 equally, push the middle and get some sacks and pressure. Different animal.

 

[TheCount]

Honestly, the way they've approached 1-Tech or playing a guy that is clearly a 4-3 DE at DT reminds me a lot of the arrogance of playing a 285 lb Ratliff at NT. The idea that we are outsmarting the rest of the league by ignoring positional prototypes is just plain silly.