Stephen Jones: DeMarcus Lawrence, Ryan Russell could play DT; why Texas’ Malcom Brown didn’t fit J

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Why is Hayden any different than Costa or Cook?

Because I never once heard this organization say that in our scheme we don't value the center position. Have you?

And I have never once seen them say in our Nascar package we are playing without a center. Have you?
 

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I hate when Jerry tries to talk like a football guy. I highly doubt he understand that "quick twitch" stuff he mentions. You play your best players. If he had Suh or Gerald McCoy he'd play them.

I would bet Jerry knows more about it than most on this board. You may or may not know more than Jerry, or think you do. I won't go there and say you don't. Unles you are a player or ex-player, or coach, at the NFL level, my bet is on Jerry.
But people need to give Jerry more credit. He grew up with football, was on a NCAA national champion team, and been in the NFL since 1989. Yes, he knows more than you give him credit for.

I do agree you play your best players, and if Suh was here, yes he plays. But he is not for several reasons....mostly because of $$$$...so that is not a fair statement to make. He was not available to us, and this was about a draft decision, not a great FA, which cost a lot of cap room.
 

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And then to compare them to Maryland, an Outland Trophy winner at the position, and Lett who graded and performed very highly at the NAIA level at that position as well is also disingenuous. I guess sometimes you just try to talk yourself into why you did or did not do something and will come up with any excuse whether it makes sense or not. But you better come up with something better than that. I certainly hope they hit on Byron Jones, because if not, this is what will be talked about during the season if Jones is not performing like a first rounder and we are getting run down the throat.

Stephen was talking about size and "quick twitch". Leon Lett was a 7th round pick out of tiny Emporia State and as a rookie he was 6-6 260 pounds. That is nowhere near the size of Brown. As a matter of fact, Russell at 6-4 and almost 270 is quite a bit more stout than Lett was as a rookie.

Russell Maryland was a fall back player for Jimmy Johnson when Rocket Ismail chose the Canadian Football League over the NFL. Maryland came to Dallas a shade over 6 feet and 300 pounds. He was small for a DT and his main redeeming quality was his quickness.

Malcom Brown is 6-2 320 pounds and is a good player. However, he isn't built like nor does he play the same way as Lett and Maryland. Both of those guys had to get by with quickness more than anchoring. Holding a spot isn't really what Jimmy wanted his DT to do and that isn't really what Marinelli asks his DT to do.

As much as people don't like Hayden, he can hold against the run very well. Brown would have been about the same in the run game.

Marinelli is going to rotate his DL so with Brown, it would have been Hayden on run downs and Brown in the nickle.

The problem with that is that Hardy, Lawrence, and probably Russell will all be better pass rushers from inside at DT than Brown would have been. They have much longer arms and are much more athletic.

So, if Hayden is as good against the run as Brown and Hardy, Lawrence, Russell are better against the pass than Brown... the question is: Why did Dallas need Brown?

With Brown as the #1 pick, then Hardy, or Gregory or Lawrence would likely be sitting on the sideline when the team needed a pass rush, so that the first round pick Brown could be trying to show his worth. They are better pass rushers than Brown and that would be counter intuitive as well as counter productive.

With Jones as the first round pick, Dallas has a player than can be a real upgrade when he's out on the field. He can really help.

Brown, if he was doing anything other than stopping the run, would be replacing a better pass rusher. If Dallas just used him on run downs... then that would be a real misuse of resources, because, as Jimmy Johnson used to say, run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. And he was right. They are. Teams really shouldn't use a first round pick on them.
 

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I know that Marinelli doesn't think the NT position is worth a high pick , I get that. A 4th or 5th round pick shouldn't be out of the question though. Even players picked in those rounds should have more talent than Hayden. Why do they refuse to upgrade a player that has consistently been rated as one of the worst at his position every year? Why? Why? Why? I think Marinelli is being stubborn about the situation. Most of us sees the weakness in the defense when Hayden is on the field every week . The ones that don't see it are not able to watch the game due to various reasons.

I think they thought Josh Brent would be the run stuffing 1tech. Brent "retired" right after the draft and Marinelli said that Brent had been working his butt off in the off-season.

As of the draft they had veteran 1techs Brent and Hayden along with 2nd year player Ken Bishop and 1/3 tech T. McClain. all on the roster. Considering that a pure 1tech will play the least snaps of any of the DLinemen, probably didn't see it as a big need.

IMO, Ken Bishop is a better 1tech prospect in his 2nd year than any of the 1techs that were 4th/5th round picks in this draft.
 

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Who has won three SBs and now has us going in the right direction again. Not the best GM. Great owner and business man who is worth billions. Hard to hang the moron moniker on him. If legit then I could be so lucky to own the Cowboys etc.

I appears that Risen forgot that there is a Jerry/Garrett Rant zone for anybody that wants to call Jerry a moron. There is no need for that nonsense here in a thread about DLinemen.
 

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One thing I'll give this administration credit is that we finally have the guys to send "waves" of rushmen that Marinelli coveted when he first got here 3 years ago. Kudos to Jerry & Stephen for that.
 

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Yep. They finally came to their senses about the OL and completely changed the direction of the team. Now they've got to get over this 1 tech hump. I'll give you every cornerback on this roster for a dominant 1 tech.

I always assumed we didn't prioritize the 1 tech under Marinelli because of just not finding the right nickname fit.

BTW, the people that support this philosophy now also supported the collection of crap, get by mentality along the OL years ago. They have no credibility. Ignore them.

i dot know. they threw out the anointing oil of nicknames on Hayden...problem waiting to rescind that and then go 1T

Golden Sack is still out there though?
 

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I'd be more than fine with Hayden as the starter if he was clearly winning the starting job over his competition every season. But the front office literally brought in zero competition at the 1 tech position this season. Not even a camp body. Even when we lost Brent, we did nothing to replace that 1T body. He's just anointed the starter by default, with McClain as the backup at both 1T and 3T. It just seems like it's already decided that McClain is the backup. I haven't heard anything at all about Bishop this off season. Is he still in the team?

I hope that I'm wrong. But there's a difference between undervaluing a position and flat out ignoring it.
 

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Yep. They finally came to their senses about the OL and completely changed the direction of the team. Now they've got to get over this 1 tech hump. I'll give you every cornerback on this roster for a dominant 1 tech.

I always assumed we didn't prioritize the 1 tech under Marinelli because of just not finding the right nickname fit.

BTW, the people that support this philosophy now also supported the collection of crap, get by mentality along the OL years ago. They have no credibility. Ignore them.

Horse manure. We were hopeful the crap on the OL would work out as we had limited resources to address the line compared to the other glaring holes in the team. The demise of a good OL like the 07 one came so quickly it took by surprise and was difficult to overcome overnight.

Your oversimplification of problems on this team and desire to mock others just reveals your zeal to belittle people despite your inability to assess the situation correctly. Any reasonable and fan knowledgeable person understands the need to protect the QB and have an effective run game. Just as they understand the need for pressure up front with DBs able to defend the pass. It's both a simple and difficult game now complicated by the need to be cap savvy.

And we all know Jerry's zeal to compete 'now' has led to poor decisions over the long run. That seems to have been corrected. Everyone falls but not all get up as well. And many continue to fall into the same hole only to walk into one just like it over and over. Give Jerry credit for learning to go around the holes now albeit a lesson learned slowly.
 
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