Stephen Jones podcast with Ed Werder, doesn't seem happy with JG

[FuzzyLumpkins]

End result we are down 10-7 instead of up 10-7 or 14-7.

Go shotgun, spread them out, and try to score quickly, give them the ball because we are scared our offensive line and Zeke isn’t good enough to gain yards from 6 yards out. We would prefer zero yards and stopping the clock with an incomplete pass.

Yeah, great reason to have first round draft picks littered in the running game. You give Garrett credit for that? Building something he is afraid the use. It’s even more asisine now.

And of course there is no possible negative outcome from running the ball. It's a guaranteed TD.

This is exactly what I am talking about regarding blind ideology.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Stephen Jones podcast with Ed Werder, doesn't seem happy with JG................well fire him and quit pouting.. sheezzz

 

[Aviano90]

And of course there is no possible negative outcome from running the ball. It's a guaranteed TD.

This is exactly what I am talking about regarding blind ideology.

Lol. No more of a guarantee than passing but failure to score on that play doesn’t stop the clock.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol. No more of a guarantee than passing but failure to score on that play doesn’t stop the clock.

Again you are failing to recognize that passing provides a better chance of scoring a TD. There is no guarantee that the RB doesn't go out of bounds or fumble or any other negative outcome either.

You are just mindlessly biased and miss the cost part in cost-benefit analysis.

And again GB had timeouts. Fearing rookie Wentz is rank cowardice.

 

[Aviano90]

Again you are failing to recognize that passing provides a better chance of scoring a TD. There is no guarantee that the RB doesn't go out of bounds or fumble or any other negative outcome either.

You are just mindlessly biased and miss the cost part in cost-benefit analysis.

And again GB had timeouts. Fearing rookie Wentz is rank cowardice.

We don't have to pass 3 straight times. We didn't need to score on 1st down. We can run, even if we get stopped on first down we can still have 2 more shots, but time can be reduced or we can force them to burn a timeout.

I know you think everyone is mindless who doesn't agree with you. I think being afraid to run in that situation is pansy football and would prefer smash mouth the first 2 plays.

Zeke's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
24 carries
64 yards (2.7 yards per carry)
10 touchdowns

Dak's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
27 pass attempts
13 completions (48.2%)
53 yards (1.96 yards per attempt)
10 touchdowns

Now this cost-benefit analysis that I am missing because I am biased...looks like based upon the averages Zeke scores more per touch. We gain more yards per touch on the ground. That's based upon the Cowboys performance inside the 10 that year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We don't have to pass 3 straight times. We didn't need to score on 1st down. We can run, even if we get stopped on first down we can still have 2 more shots, but time can be reduced or we can force them to burn a timeout.

I know you think everyone is mindless who doesn't agree with you. I think being afraid to run in that situation is pansy football and would prefer smash mouth the first 2 plays.

Zeke's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
24 carries
64 yards (2.7 yards per carry)
10 touchdowns

Dak's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
27 pass attempts
13 completions (48.2%)
53 yards (1.96 yards per attempt)
10 touchdowns

Now this cost-benefit analysis that I am missing because I am biased...looks like based upon the averages Zeke scores more per touch. We gain more yards per touch on the ground. That's based upon the Cowboys performance inside the 10 that year.

No, I don't "think everyone is mindless." I think you struggle to separate yourself as a person and your arguments. I have no such issue.

Now show the stats for running into 10 man boxes at the 7. That was the context. Running from the 3 is an entirely different situation than running from the 7 and doubly so when they are going with 10 men in the box. The dives, whams, and belly plays that are what're used aren't nearly as effective at the 7 as they are from the 3.

And you completely missed my point about cost benefit. The way you present running the football it is nothing but touchdowns and championships yet runners run out of bounds, they fumble the ball, they commit penalties, they get TFL, etc.

 

[Aviano90]

No, I don't "think everyone is mindless." I think you struggle to separate yourself as a person and your arguments. I have no such issue.

Now show the stats for running into 10 man boxes at the 7. That was the context. Running from the 3 is an entirely different situation than running from the 7 and doubly so when they are going with 10 men in the box. The dives, whams, and belly plays that are what're used aren't nearly as effective at the 7 as they are from the 3.

And you completely missed my point about cost benefit. The way you present running the football it is nothing but touchdowns and championships yet runners run out of bounds, they fumble the ball, they commit penalties, they get TFL, etc.

I have in no way presented running the football is nothing but touchdowns and championships. I fully recognized we may get stuffed. My point is, I don't care at that moment in the game. Any number of things can go wrong with running the football, but they can also go right.

The same applies to passing the football. We can get penalties, fumble the snap, dropped balls, interceptions, pass defensed, catch out of bounds, sacks...just like we could also throw short and remain in bounds to milk clock OR score a touchdown.

There are certain situations I would take the risk of getting stuffed in order to keep the clock moving yet still have an opportunity to convert the touchdown on a following play. We have a soft defense that needs protecting, even after the 2 minute warning. You call that being afraid of Wentz. I call it not having confidence in a weak defense. If the defense were better, then I would advocate running a faster style of offense the entire game and keeping the other defense on their heels. Or, if our running game was trash then I might think differently.

So yeah, regardless of outcome I want the ball to be ran in that situation. Get out of shotgun, get into a power running formation, and run the ball even it loses 1 yard, gains 0, or only gains 2. There is no guarantee that running or passing is going to yield a positive result; however, odds are much greater that the clock will stop with passing the ball and I don't want that to occur unless the opposing team uses a timeout.

 

[Whyjerry]

Who said I was angry?

Protip: its possible to argue without being angry.

So then what did you mean then in pointing out that the Eagles won with backups?

“Pro tip” says it all. I will indulge because I feel the need to educate. The original point was coaching and excuses. In Dallas they are good at excuses. The Eagles, who I despise, did not let injuries get in the way of winning a SB this season. Good luck. You need it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I remember an interview Stephen did near the end of the year when he stated that we didn't handle injuries the way we should have and it was a sign of some internal structural problems they'd try to fix after the season. One could have interpreted that as a shot at Garrett, but turned out it was nothing of the sort. It sounded semi-tough but didn't mean anything.

In other words, don't get your hopes up. Stephen may not be the overly optimistic salesman his dad is and he may sound tougher at times, but in the end he's just as much of an excuse-maker.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah with one offensive lineman down and one LB hurt it's a miracle we won any games.... *chuckles*

 

[Hennessy_King]

I remember an interview Stephen did near the end of the year when he stated that we didn't handle injuries the way we should have and it was a sign of some internal structural problems they'd try to fix after the season. One could have interpreted that as a shot at Garrett, but turned out it was nothing of the sort. It sounded semi-tough but didn't mean anything.

In other words, don't get your hopes up. Stephen may not be the overly optimistic salesman his dad is and he may sound tougher at times, but in the end he's just as much of an excuse-maker.

That's cuz Jerry prolly won't let him do anything on his own. And for some reason Jerry feels he owes the entire Garrett family a job.

 

[Buzzbait]

We don't have to pass 3 straight times. We didn't need to score on 1st down. We can run, even if we get stopped on first down we can still have 2 more shots, but time can be reduced or we can force them to burn a timeout.

I know you think everyone is mindless who doesn't agree with you. I think being afraid to run in that situation is pansy football and would prefer smash mouth the first 2 plays.

Zeke's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
24 carries
64 yards (2.7 yards per carry)
10 touchdowns

Dak's numbers inside the 10 in 2016
27 pass attempts
13 completions (48.2%)
53 yards (1.96 yards per attempt)
10 touchdowns

Now this cost-benefit analysis that I am missing because I am biased...looks like based upon the averages Zeke scores more per touch. We gain more yards per touch on the ground. That's based upon the Cowboys performance inside the 10 that year.

Hey Av, you still trying to teach clock management to Garrett?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

“Pro tip” says it all. I will indulge because I feel the need to educate. The original point was coaching and excuses. In Dallas they are good at excuses. The Eagles, who I despise, did not let injuries get in the way of winning a SB this season. Good luck. You need it.

So IOW the Eagles were able to do it so that means there is no excuse for anyone else including the Cowboys precisely what I said. You are used the Eagles as the norm or standard to judge everyone else.

 

[Buzzbait]

Hey Av, you still trying to teach clock management to Garrett?

Oh wait......maybe that wasn't Garrett. Oh well, same difference.

 

[Cmac]

....then he should have done the right thing......long ago.