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[visionary]

Got to hand it to you Idgit, avoiding the real issue as usual

Are the co-ordinators/position coaches (you know the ones that are being hired and fired with some regularity under the current HC) hired by Garrett or hired by Jerry?

I predict that you will argue both sides and tell us that no one knows because these are 'group decisions' (ie not take a position per usual)..... which would actually prove my point about the organizational structure and you (so thank you in advance)

It's not 'predicting' something to repeat what I've said earlier in the thread directly. And it's not 'arguing both sides' to say 'we don't know.' That's not what 'arguing both sides' means. I don't know who drove any of the coordinator hires. It would not surprise me if it were Jerry, and it would not surprise me if it were Garrett. I only commented originally to say that, if I were the HC, it would be a deal breaker for me if I weren't able to hire my own coordinators.

much appreciated

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's not 'predicting' something to repeat what I've said earlier in the thread directly. And it's not 'arguing both sides' to say 'we don't know.' That's not what 'arguing both sides' means. I don't know who drove any of the coordinator hires. It would not surprise me if it were Jerry, and it would not surprise me if it were Garrett. I only commented originally to say that, if I were the HC, it would be a deal breaker for me if I weren't able to hire my own coordinators.



What's up with the jumping to illogical conclusions in this thread, guys? And where's the hostility coming from?

Of course Jerry Jones is the final decision maker. He's said that publicly and without any room for confusion many, many times. Jason has confirmed it. As has every coach Jerry has hired since Jimmy. That's not the same thing as saying he will not allow some or all of his head coaches to hire or fire their own assistants.

I have come to the conclusion you either have no real opinions and take the polar opposite of posters here to keep the talk flowing. Or you have lost your mind.

I refer to the bolded aspect of your post which caused me to type the underlined portion of mine and causes me to draw the conclusions I do about you, idgit.

 

[Idgit]

much appreciated

...I don't think anybody knows how much Jerry really influences the hiring and firing of coordinators.

Again, it's not 'predicting' if you're guessing what I'll say based off of something I've expressly said already in the very same thread.

 

[Idgit]

I have come to the conclusion you either have no real opinions and take the polar opposite of posters here to keep the talk flowing. Or you have lost your mind.

I refer to the bolded aspect of your post which caused me to type the underlined portion of mine and causes me to draw the conclusions I do about you, idgit.

There's always the third possibility: that sometimes we argue about things we think are happening when we don't really have all the information yet.

Either way, the only thing I'm willing to discuss right now is whether or not it's a mistake for a HC to remain in a gig if he doesn't have hire/fire authority over his own staff. I'm not interested in the personal back and forth about whether you think I might have lost my mind or have no real opinions. Can we keep the discussion to the topic? Otherwise, I'll just back out of a discussion that won't go anywhere.

 

[TwoDeep3]

There's always the third possibility: that sometimes we argue about things we think are happening when we don't really have all the information yet.

Either way, the only thing I'm willing to discuss right now is whether or not it's a mistake for a HC to remain in a gig if he doesn't have hire/fire authority over his own staff. I'm not interested in the personal back and forth about whether you think I might have lost my mind or have no real opinions. Can we keep the discussion to the topic? Otherwise, I'll just back out of a discussion that won't go anywhere.

And yet I see Jerry hiring the position coaches for the Head Coach and has since Parcell left.

I am assuming his last word idea covers this category. I am applying Occam's Razor to this issue.

And since when do any of these discussions go anywhere?

 

[Idgit]

And yet I see Jerry hiring the position coaches for the Head Coach and has since Parcell left.

I am assuming his last word idea covers this category. I am applying Occam's Razor to this issue.

And since when do any of these discussions go anywhere?

Let me use a personal example: I have hire/fire authority over my own employees, but there are circumstances where I'd allow them to hire their own assistants if they felt they had the right candidate to do the job. And there are circumstances where I would do this even if I thought another candidate for the position were better.

Similarly, there are situations where I would hire the person I thought was best, without regard for the opinion of the employee who would be managing them.

The difference is governed by circumstances, and, though it's not relevant in my example, it would also be governed by anything I might have agreed to in advance. I suspect this is what's going on in Jason's case, though I don't know if Jerry granted hire/fire authority for assitants or not. I thought he or Jason had said that he did at one point, but I don't remember for sure, and I don't know with Jerry that that would necessarily hold up in practice, anyway.

As to a discussion 'going anywhere,' perhaps that wasn't the best word choice. I'd just prefer the posts be on topic and not about me, personally. Because when they get personal is when good topics tend to get derailed, and this is a decent thread I'd prefer we keep going on its intended topic. I'm not even really disagreeing with anybody here, anyway. I'll I said was that I'd want the authority to hire my own coaches if I were Jason. Not sure what's debatable about that in the first place.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Let me use a personal example: I have hire/fire authority over my own employees, but there are circumstances where I'd allow them to hire their own assistants if they felt they had the right candidate to do the job. And there are circumstances where I would do this even if I thought another candidate for the position were better.

Similarly, there are situations where I would hire the person I thought was best, without regard for the opinion of the employee who would be managing them.

The difference is governed by circumstances, and, though it's not relevant in my example, it would also be governed by anything I might have agreed to in advance. I suspect this is what's going on in Jason's case, though I don't know if Jerry granted hire/fire authority for assitants or not. I thought he or Jason had said that he did at one point, but I don't remember for sure, and I don't know with Jerry that that would necessarily hold up in practice, anyway.

As to a discussion 'going anywhere,' perhaps that wasn't the best word choice. I'd just prefer the posts be on topic and not about me, personally. Because when they get personal is when good topics tend to get derailed, and this is a decent thread I'd prefer we keep going on its intended topic. I'm not even really disagreeing with anybody here, anyway. I'll I said was that I'd want the authority to hire my own coaches if I were Jason. Not sure what's debatable about that in the first place.

Now remove your balanced intellect and pump massive steroids into your ego and rethink all of that through the eyes of Big Jerr and see if you would still allow anyone to have any credit for anything that might possibly work out.

I don't take the weekly newsletter of the Cowboys, but I would image there is a section in the back where they list Ole Jerr's decisions of the week and it is here you will find it was Jerry's idea for the office clean-up crew to empty the trash.

That man thinks of everything.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Id, he has his narrative and he is going to stick with it. It doesn't matter that there is no empirical basis because in his mind his explanation fills those gaps. That is just 2deep.

You are right though. We don't know how much of a role he plays.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Jerry would be an easy owner to work for. John Madden said that he never had one problem ever getting *anything* he wanted from Al Davis. He just knew that if wanted something he had to pitch the idea to Davis and sell him on the idea. I believe Jerry is the same way. I think the only difference is that Jerry has a group of people that get together to help formulate ideas and decisions. Unfortunately, if they cannot come to a decision, then Jerry makes the decision.

I think the fact is that if you can't sell your ideas or whatever you want to the owner, then your ideas or whatever you want is a bad idea to begin with.




YR

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think Jerry would be an easy owner to work for. John Madden said that he never had one problem ever getting *anything* he wanted from Al Davis. He just knew that if wanted something he had to pitch the idea to Davis and sell him on the idea. I believe Jerry is the same way. I think the only difference is that Jerry has a group of people that get together to help formulate ideas and decisions. Unfortunately, if they cannot come to a decision, then Jerry makes the decision.

I think the fact is that if you can't sell your ideas or whatever you want to the owner, then your ideas or whatever you want is a bad idea to begin with.




YR

We need to get Lacewell and Switzer out of the room.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And yet I see Jerry hiring the position coaches for the Head Coach and has since Parcell left.

I am assuming his last word idea covers this category. I am applying Occam's Razor to this issue.

And since when do any of these discussions go anywhere?

Occam's razor is a copout for the simpleminded.

Physics illustrates this very well. The simplest explanation is that Zeus casts lightning bolts. The reality is quantum mechanics.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We need to get Lacewell and Switzer out of the room.

I can agree with that. Although Switzer recommended DeMarco Murray.




YR

 

[visionary]

I think Jerry would be an easy owner to work for. John Madden said that he never had one problem ever getting *anything* he wanted from Al Davis. He just knew that if wanted something he had to pitch the idea to Davis and sell him on the idea. I believe Jerry is the same way. I think the only difference is that Jerry has a group of people that get together to help formulate ideas and decisions. Unfortunately, if they cannot come to a decision, then Jerry makes the decision.

I think the fact is that if you can't sell your ideas or whatever you want to the owner, then your ideas or whatever you want is a bad idea to begin with.




YR

the problem is that there is no madden in our coaching staff
jerry hires yes men and then "listens" to them.......self-fulfilling prophesy