Stopping the New Romo Myth

[LittleBoyBlue]

Please explain his high QB rating in games lost... Perhaps the highest in nfl history...

Just stats

 

[ghst187]

I really don't care about the false narratives and arguing with haters about Romo.

I know he can win now and that's all I need.

If flacco, eli, and and Roth can win them then romo is good enough

 

[AdamJT13]

A lot of people look at pass attempts in a game, ignoring the fact that if Romo has to throw the ball 40 times, it's probably a bad situation in the first place.

Blame Gosselin for fueling this silly myth. Quarterbacks (not just Romo) typically have to throw more BECAUSE they have not passed as well, or because their team is losing -- it's not more attempts that cause inefficiency and losing, it's inefficiency and losing that cause more attempts to be necessary.

 

[Nova]

If flacco, eli, and and Roth can win them then romo is good enough

True. But there was a time there when I got low and felt like Romo could not get it done-- cursed if you will. I now have proof that I was wrong.

He can play great when it matters most.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Doesnt Romo have the only two losses in NFL history when finishing with a 140+ passer rating? Anyone who thinks this guy isnt/hasnt been an elite QB doesnt know football...



Edit: just seen he had a 143 passer rating vs Green Bay as well. I think that makes the only 3 losses now. @percyhoward do you have this stat available?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Why does Tony Romo need everything to be perfect for him to win.

You mean like he did in '13 and '14 when he won 8 games those years singlehandedly with no defense?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Doesnt Romo have the only two losses in NFL history when finishing with a 140+ passer rating? Anyone who thinks this guy isnt/hasnt been an elite QB doesnt know football...



Edit: just seen he had a 143 passer rating vs Green Bay as well. I think that makes the only 3 losses now. @percyhoward do you have this stat available?

Yes. He's the ultimate football IQ litmus test. Sad how many of his team's own fans keep failing it though.

 

[ufcrules1]

Its absolutely can't be said his passing performance in the Green Bay contributed to the loss. Having said that, I'd argue the fact that the Cowboys only completed 14 passes all game long as a contributing factor.

Stats simply don't tell the whole story. They never have and never will.

We lost that game as a team both on offense and defense. With that said, do you think Romo is the type of QB to put his team on his shoulders deep in the playoffs and will them to a win? I don't. He isn't a Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc. He simply isn't elite. If he doesn't have a TON of help around him, we have no chance. Just is what it is.

I thought last year we had a team good enough to win a super bowl. No team is going to be perfect but ours was good enough. Heck we beat up the Seahawks in their house and they should have won the super bowl.

 

[AdamJT13]

Doesnt Romo have the only two losses in NFL history when finishing with a 140+ passer rating? Anyone who thinks this guy isnt/hasnt been an elite QB doesnt know football...



Edit: just seen he had a 143 passer rating vs Green Bay as well. I think that makes the only 3 losses now. @percyhoward do you have this stat available?

He has the only two losses in NFL history with 300 yards, four TD passes AND a 140-plus rating.

Against Green Bay, he didn't have as many yards or TDs because we didn't throw much. But he still had the highest passer rating in playoff history for a losing quarterback (143.6 -- 18.6 points higher than No. 2 on the list).

 

[WillieBeamen]

He has the only two losses in NFL history with 300 yards, four TD passes AND a 140-plus rating.

Against Green Bay, he didn't have as many yards or TDs because we didn't throw much. But he still had the highest passer rating in playoff history for a losing quarterback (143.6 -- 18.6 points higher than No. 2 on the list).

Thanks @AdamJT13. Its Amazing how some think he needs a perfect team around him to win.

 

[Rockport]

I'd love to see the rest of football fandom come to their senses on this, but I've come to the conclusion that they won't. There won't be a moment of clarity where every blowhard who has ignored reality to belittle Romo until now will suddenly say, "I've been wrong about this guy all along, and it has only been my blind hatred that has prevented me from seeing or acknowledging his greatness." Not going to happen.

So, the best we can hope for is that Romo gets to hoist a Lombardi trophy or two (a Super Bowl MVP would be nice, too) to shut the jerks up.

It takes a man to admit when they're wrong.

 

[Rockport]

He held ball too long. That's on him.
He needed to do a little more. He did not.

Yes, defense could not stop one legged man, but that was just one reason why we lost. Offense needed to do better. Romo included.

The offense did good enough outside Murrays fumble. The defense lost that game.

 

[Rockport]

Stats simply don't tell the whole story. They never have and never will.

We lost that game as a team both on offense and defense. With that said, do you think Romo is the type of QB to put his team on his shoulders deep in the playoffs and will them to a win? I don't. He isn't a Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc. He simply isn't elite. If he doesn't have a TON of help around him, we have no chance. Just is what it is.

I thought last year we had a team good enough to win a super bowl. No team is going to be perfect but ours was good enough. Heck we beat up the Seahawks in their house and they should have won the super bowl.

He's done it 24 or so times during the regular season. Many, many more times than he hasn't. So I think when he gets the chance next time in the playoffs he'll do just fine.

 

[jobberone]

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BTW, I wonder if Keith looks as good as she does.

 

[gmoney112]

He's done it 24 or so times during the regular season. Many, many more times than he hasn't. So I think when he gets the chance next time in the playoffs he'll do just fine.

Haha, i can't believe you responded to that guy in a serious tone.

 

[Redball Express]

It's funny how many times I'm called a homer and at the same time how many times I've been called a hater...

The truth is I praise the team or a player when I feel they should be praised, and I criticize when I feel they should be as well.

That is not how you are supposed to play the game, Beast.

That's sort of being a fair-weather fan but not exactly..

By the way..you related to Beauty and the Beast?

That is one hot little girl you have there if you are.

Lucky Beastie, boy.? (pun intended)

 

[percyhoward]

From July 2014: http://cowboyszone.com/threads/40-years-of-bad-teams-with-top-10-qb.293302/

While there have been some subtle changes, since 2011, Dallas has been a team with 1) a top 10 QB (or top 10 pass offense), 2) a bottom 10 pass defense, that 3) does not run the ball very often, and 4) is not very successful running the ball in the red zone. (I emphasize red zone running because how well a team runs the ball outside the red zone has virtually no correlation to wins. Touchdown percentage has a strong correlation. Consequently, rushing TD is a much more accurate measurement of a running game than yards per carry.) I went back to 1970 looking for teams with similar make ups to the Cowboys to see what kind of W-L records I would find. The specific parameters...

for the QB:

• Top 10 in passer rating and touchdowns

for the defense:

• Bottom 10 in pass rating

for running game:

• rush TD below league average
• Bottom 10 in rushing attempts

The first ranking is defensive pass rating, followed by rushing attempts and rushing TD, then the QB's rank in pass rating that season.

1973 Phi def 25th, rush (att 24th, TD 20th) Gabriel 5th 5-8-1
1980 NO def 27th, rush (att 28th, TD 25th) A. Manning 8th 1-15
1982 SF def 22nd, rush (att 27th, TD 17th) Montana 5th 3-6
1983 GB def 21st, rush (att 23rd, TD 17th) Dickey 8th 8-8
1986 Buf def 23rd, rush (att 25th, TD 23rd) Kelly 8th 4-12
1986 Mia def 26th, rush (att 31st, TD 23rd) Marino 2nd 8-8
1988 Mia def 23rd, rush (att 28th, TD 19th) Marino 10th 6-10
1991 Mia def 24th, rush (att 25th, TD 22nd) Marino 7th 8-8
1993 Atl def 28th, rush (att 26th, TD 26th) Hebert 10th 6-10
1994 Atl def 21st, rush (att 28th, TD 22nd) George 9th 7-9
1994 NO def 26th, rush (att 27th, TD 17th) Everett 5th 7-9
1996 Bal def 28th, rush (att 24th, TD 16th) Testaverde 5th 4-12
2004 Min def 28th, rush (att 28th, TD 29th) Culpepper 2nd 8-8
2011 Dal def 25th, rush (att 24th, TD 30th) Romo 4th 8-8
2012 NO def 28th, rush (att 29th, TD 21st) Brees 8th 7-9
2012 Dal def 29th, rush (att 31st, TD 27th) Romo 10th 8-8
2013 Dal def 26th, rush (att 31st, TD 18th), Romo 8th 8-8

A lot of bad defenses and unproductive running games there, and no winning records to be found.

In 2012, the Cowboys became the first team with these kinds of numbers in consecutive seasons. In 2013, they became the first team with these kinds of numbers three years in a row.

Marino and Romo are the only QB to have played on this kind of team more than once.


Fast forward one year, and look back at the last four.
2011 Dal def 25th, rush (att 24th, TD 30th) Romo 4th 8-8
2012 Dal def 29th, rush (att 31st, TD 27th) Romo 10th 8-8
2013 Dal def 26th, rush (att 31st, TD 18th), Romo 8th 8-8
2014 Dal def 13th, rush (att 3rd, TD 5th), Romo 1st 12-4

Changes in ranking from previous 3-year averages
def 27th to 13th
rush (att 28th to 3rd, TD 25th to 5th)
Romo 7th to 1st

 

[jnday]

The point is not (or at least shouldn't have been) that Romo was not "good". The logical argument was that asking him, or most QBs to sling the ball 50 times a game was not conducive to winning, as the law of averages means that one error could be backbreaking. That alone has developed the perception that he's not clutch.

Aikman was a better QB with a running game. Romo is better with a dependable and efficient running game when he does not have to win the game himself, or better yet, feels he has to, which makes him feel compelled to take the game on his shoulders.

It has never been that he's some horrible QB that cannot win games. Having the support of a balanced offense just helps him mentally handle the game and the pressure better. He is less likely to force throws thinking he has to make the play.

Even Elway needed a running game to win his Super Bowls. Romo can and should be able to win his Super Bowl if the running game can keep from going backwards due to below average RBs and a little help from the defense. I think Romo has his best all around season last year with the pressure off of him.

 

[Vanilla2]

We have spent the entire off season Worrying Demarco Murray.

 

[DFWJC]

I just hope the team and staff are not as comfortable as some of the fans.

Yes..I see trouble on the offense for sure.

We lost our best player in Murray. He's been replaced by the 3 stooges plus a 7 year failure in McFadden.

Our Leader Dez is not practicing and getting ready too bust our cap with his demands..

Romo is one sack from retirement with his back problems (remember Irvin and his back injury and Haley and Novachek?)..

and we have Weedley for a backup. Weeden..whomever.

Defenses are going to blitz Romo unmercifully becuz Murray isn't there to pickup blitzes.

And no RB we have is going to scare anybody in our own division much less around the NFL.

But whatever you think.

Hey, I do agree Murray leaving is not a short term good thing.
But....
The factt that you think Murray was our best player kind of ends any rational discussion on this topic.
Nothing personal Red, but I disagree.