Stopping the New Romo Myth

[Super_Kazuya]

Hey, I do agree Murray leaving is not a short term good thing.
But....
The factt that you think Murray was our best player kind of ends any rational discussion on this topic.
Nothing personal Red, but I disagree.

I'm sure Red Ballz thought Romo was one sack away from retirement last year as well. Him and his misbegotten ilk will continue to repeat that over and over again until they get it right, then pretend like they called it all along.

 

[Rockport]

Haha, i can't believe you responded to that guy in a serious tone.

Grace from God.

 

[Redball Express]

Hey, I do agree Murray leaving is not a short term good thing.
But....
The factt that you think Murray was our best player kind of ends any rational discussion on this topic.
Nothing personal Red, but I disagree.

I base that on the fact that he inspired everybody..

Including Dez.

I liken it to when Irvin retired.

Yes we still had Aikman and Emmitt and the OL..

but everything changed when Irvin left.

Our offensive rythem..

everything..

So we shall see.

 

[xwalker]

I swear we have some of the dumbest fans of any team out there.

I can't recall anyone calling Murray an elite back this time last year, yet here we sit with some thinking he is Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Emmitt Smith rolled into one.

Romo has played at an elite level for much of his career and some are too stupid to realize it.

Yes, fans now claim that the only RB in history that is better than DeMarco Murray is Adrian Peterson.

 

[Alexander]

Even Elway needed a running game to win his Super Bowls. Romo can and should be able to win his Super Bowl if the running game can keep from going backwards due to below average RBs and a little help from the defense. I think Romo has his best all around season last year with the pressure off of him.

The Elway comparison is pretty appropriate.

Elway was an all-timer. I do not care what we all think, Tony Romo is not that kind of talent.

He is an over-achiever. He gets what he gets out of hard work, not a rocket arm and elusiveness. He earns what he gets.

You ask that kind of player to make plays with little to no support, you get the gaffes.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The Elway comparison is pretty appropriate.

Elway was an all-timer. I do not care what we all think, Tony Romo is not that kind of talent.

He is an over-achiever. He gets what he gets out of hard work, not a rocket arm and elusiveness. He earns what he gets.

You ask that kind of player to make plays with little to no support, you get the gaffes.

And you ask Elway, quite possibly the most physically talented QB ever to do it with no support, and you also get gaffes. Is there a point?

 

[percyhoward]

The problem with Romo is that he has 1913 attempts when trailing compared to 1325 attempts with the lead. That inbalance is hugely detrimental to Romo, and causes him to be far more aggressive.

The reason Romo was so good last year is that he at least hit 50/50 last year between trailing and leading.

There's a lot of meat on the bone that is this OP, and the above was the highlight. There is a caveat though, and that's when the game is tied. Although Romo is elite when trailing or leading, he's only a little above average when the game is tied. Almost all of that is explained by the fact that most attempts in a tie game are when the score is 0-0, which means 1st quarter. And that's always been Romo's worst quarter.

Still, attempts when the score is tied only account for about 20% of all attempts. As for the other 80%, you have a great point. Bottom line is, I think you still have a very good point.

Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees
Combined Career Passer Rating
when trailing
7717 of 12156 88815 yd 594 td 344 int 89.9 (Romo 95.6)
when tied
3874 of 5786 44259 314 td 98 int 100.8 (Romo 92.9)
when leading
7950 of 12082 95038 yd 777 td 249 int 102.5 (Romo 103.4)

Attempts with the Lead
(as a % of total attempts)
above 4 QB: 40.2%
Romo 31.1%

 

[Ring6]

you can't stop it, you can only hope to keep it contained

 

[percyhoward]

Not sure I see the point in comparing him to Rodgers. Rodgers has more attempts with the lead......so what? Maybe the respective productivity of each QB is significantly influential in how many passes they've attempted with the lead.

This is probably half-true. All pass defenses being equal, the more efficient QB will be playing with the lead more often than not. But by the same token, all QB being equal, the better pass defense will be playing with the lead more often than not. In any given game, Dallas has seldom had the better pass defense.

When the Cowboys have lost, it's usually had less to do with their own QB than has been the case with other teams -- even teams with elite QB.

Career Passer Rating
in 1st half of losses
Rodgers 88.0
Romo 85.1
Manning 82.6
Brady 80.8
Brees 78.1

in 2nd half of losses
Rodgers 84.8
Romo 84.0
Brees 80.9
Manning 74.9
Brady 66.9

 

[Galian Beast]

There's a lot of meat on the bone that is this OP, and the above was the highlight. There is a caveat though, and that's when the game is tied. Although Romo is elite when trailing or leading, he's only a little above average when the game is tied. Almost all of that is explained by the fact that most attempts in a tie game are when the score is 0-0, which means 1st quarter. And that's always been Romo's worst quarter.

Still, attempts when the score is tied only account for about 20% of all attempts. As for the other 80%, you have a great point. Bottom line is, I think you still have a very good point.

Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees
Combined Career Passer Rating
when trailing
7717 of 12156 88815 yd 594 td 344 int 89.9 (Romo 95.6)
when tied
3874 of 5786 44259 314 td 98 int 100.8 (Romo 92.9)
when leading
7950 of 12082 95038 yd 777 td 249 int 102.5 (Romo 103.4)

Attempts with the Lead
(as a % of total attempts)
above 4 QB: 40.2%
Romo 31.1%

92.9 is not slightly above average.

 

[jnday]

And you ask Elway, quite possibly the most physically talented QB ever to do it with no support, and you also get gaffes. Is there a point?

Take the blinders off and the point is clear. A good running game and supporting cast is needed for Romo to win a Super Bowl. He is not capable of taking the team on his back and winning games. That is not a knock on Romo. It just states that he has failed when asked to do too much. Elway had the same problems.

 

[blindzebra]

Take the blinders off and the point is clear. A good running game and supporting cast is needed for Romo to win a Super Bowl. He is not capable of taking the team on his back and winning games. That is not a knock on Romo. It just states that he has failed when asked to do too much. Elway had the same problems.

No QB has won it all on their own. Of all the dumb arguments this one takes the cake.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Take the blinders off and the point is clear. A good running game and supporting cast is needed for Romo to win a Super Bowl. He is not capable of taking the team on his back and winning games. That is not a knock on Romo. It just states that he has failed when asked to do too much. Elway had the same problems.

The point which zoomed over your head is that no QB in NFL history has ever taken a team "on their back" and won anything. It's a stupid myth created by football know-nothings that needs to die.

 

[Frozen700]

He really is not interested in the feedback that he gets. He just wants to tell everybody his opinion over, and over and over (and over).

You say this as if it's a bad thing.

Yet here you are. Obviously couldn't help yourself.

 

[Clove]

I've seen a ton of really good QBs throughout my life in the NFL that just didn't have enough to win Championships. They had everything in the world, but that "it" factor. I wish I could compare him to Elway but I can't, because Elway finally won at the end of his career, but during his career, he was going to Super Bowls, just not winning it. Romo can't even make it to the NFC championship game. Seriously, every year we give Romo everything we can in this salary-cap world.

Seriously, you are not going to have a GREAT defense, AND, a great OFFENSE, you just can't afford to. And once again, in the playoffs, Romo does things to destroy our year. And thus far, this is Romo's legacy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Seriously, every year we give Romo everything we can in this salary-cap world.

Please stop. I know even you don't believe that.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not sure,but I think I just saw someone attempt to blame our not advancing further in playoffs last year on Romo, of all people.

What the....

Must have been dreaming, as no one is that dense.
I suspect I need sleep.
G-night

 

[Clove]

Please stop. I know even you don't believe that.

I don't have the motivation to go back and list all the moves Jerry made around Romo, to make things easier for him. What more can you do?

 

[WillieBeamen]

I don't have the motivation to go back and list all the moves Jerry made around Romo, to make things easier for him. What more can you do?

Improve the pass defense

 

[AdamJT13]

There's a lot of meat on the bone that is this OP, and the above was the highlight. There is a caveat though, and that's when the game is tied. Although Romo is elite when trailing or leading, he's only a little above average when the game is tied. Almost all of that is explained by the fact that most attempts in a tie game are when the score is 0-0, which means 1st quarter. And that's always been Romo's worst quarter.

Career ratings with the game tied in the third quarter, fourth quarter or overtime --

Aaron Rodgers 112.0
Tony Romo 106.7
Peyton Manning 97.5
Tom Brady 96.0
Drew Brees 77.5