Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[jordan4vols]

If posed the question on whose YPA was bigger Dak or Romo I would have said Romo for sure. We constantly hear about "Dak and dunk". According to the data it's quite the opposite

 

[SHAMSzy]

Regardless of YPA, it is clear as day that Dak's biggest strength is the short passing game, and there is no problem with that. It should be noted Dak is at a higher pass % than anyone on that list which inherently gives him a higher YPA and does not debunk Dak and dunk. Anyways-- nothing wrong with his short passing mistake free approach, we could win the SB with that if the OL dominates and the D plays as well as they have thus far.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Doesn't surprise me. I remember Romo checking down to Witten a few yards short of first down just to punt, constantly.

People act like we had the #1 offense under Romo the entire time he was QB. In reality, the offense was a liability in many situations. Especially in the red zone.

 

[jazzcat22]

Did I miss the name, but where was tom Brady on that list.

 

[Idgit]

Doesn't surprise me. I remember Romo checking down to Witten a few yards short of first down just to punt, constantly.

People act like we had the #1 offense under Romo the entire time he was QB. In reality, the offense was a liability in many situations. Especially in the red zone.

The offense under Romo was almost never a liability. And the points/offensive series data backs that up. Our issue was defense.

We can say nice things about one of our QBs without tearing the other one down. Really.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Doesn't surprise me. I remember Romo checking down to Witten a few yards short of first down just to punt, constantly.

People act like we had the #1 offense under Romo the entire time he was QB. In reality, the offense was a liability in many situations. Especially in the red zone.

Nonsense. Romo has been a top 10 passer 8/10 years here...

 

[dmq]

It helps when you have Zeke taking a 5 yard screen for 83.



Incidentally, watch what T Fred did on this play. Amazed it wasn't called back.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Regardless of YPA, it is clear as day that Dak's biggest strength is the short passing game, and there is no problem with that. It should be noted Dak is at a higher pass % than anyone on that list which inherently gives him a higher YPA and does not debunk Dak and dunk. Anyways-- nothing wrong with his short passing mistake free approach, we could win the SB with that if the OL dominates and the D plays as well as they have thus far.

Negative, Dak biggest strength is the mid range pass game. The short pass game is the Wentz game

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Regardless of YPA, it is clear as day that Dak's biggest strength is the short passing game, and there is no problem with that. It should be noted Dak is at a higher pass % than anyone on that list which inherently gives him a higher YPA and does not debunk Dak and dunk. Anyways-- nothing wrong with his short passing mistake free approach, we could win the SB with that if the OL dominates and the D plays as well as they have thus far.

No there isn't anything wrong with that.

Joe Montana did pretty well with it.

And truthfully Brady's strength is the short passing game.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The short pass game is the Wentz game

Wentz strength is the negative passing game.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It helps when you have Zeke taking a 5 yard screen for 83.



Incidentally, watch what T Fred did on this play. Amazed it wasn't called back.

You do realize is ypa.......yards per attempt which means how far the ball went before it was caught. Has nothing to do with how many yards total after the catch

 

[JJHLH1]

Another example of Dak's greatness. So happy for him being selected to the Pro Bowl.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Wentz strength is the negative passing game.

You're right, I concede defeat haha happily by the way

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The only thing that's interesting is how little of a clue people have about what YPA is. Dak is a dink and dunk player because he is only capable of straight line, short passes to wide open receivers while not even looking at receivers downfield. The fact that great players like Cole Beasley and Dez Bryant are tough guys to bring down once they get that dink and dunk pass doesn't change anything.

 

[Future]

You can be a dink and dunk QB and have a high YPA if you're completing a high % of your passes. In games where he has a low completion percentage, he's got a bad YPA.

Comp % YPA
45.95 4.46
48.72 7.36
55.56 5.04
66.67 9.15
66.67 8.83
68.75 9.97
70.83 8.13
71.88 7.66
73.33 9.73
79.17 10.33
75.00 9.46
75.00 8.36
77.78 9.15
88.89 7.75

The three games with the lowest completion percentage is also his lowest YPA which suggests that he's not making big plays down the field to compensate for the high volume of shorter completions. Then you've also got instances like the Pitt game (68.75 and 9.97) that is drastically inflated by an 83 yard screen. End of the day it looks like he's pushing the ball downfield, but without that pass, he's got 31 attempts for 236 yards, which is only a 7.6 ypa. Still strong, but not great.

This isn't necessarily exclusive for Dak, as there's almost always a relationship between Completion % and YPA. However, the three low totals are far more indicative of whether or not Dak, or any other quarterback, is pushing the ball down the field. At the end of the day, YPA does nothing to prove that he's a downfield QB. If anything, it shows that when the consistent 6-10 yard passes are there, that's when he's hitting those higher YPAs. His numbers plummet without them because he isn't getting chunks to compensate.

Honestly, it's odd to me that people still can't recognize how limited Dak's vision down the field is. He does not see past the safeties at all.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It helps when you have Zeke taking a 5 yard screen for 83.



Incidentally, watch what T Fred did on this play. Amazed it wasn't called back.

So?

Steve Young and Joe Montana made their bones using short slants that Rice and Taylor would take to the house.

 

[bayeslife]

Regardless of YPA, it is clear as day that Dak's biggest strength is the short passing game, and there is no problem with that. It should be noted Dak is at a higher pass % than anyone on that list which inherently gives him a higher YPA and does not debunk Dak and dunk. Anyways-- nothing wrong with his short passing mistake free approach, we could win the SB with that if the OL dominates and the D plays as well as they have thus far.

Completion % has nothing to do with YPA. Hence the "per attempt" not "per completion"

 

[percyhoward]

If posed the question on whose YPA was bigger Dak or Romo I would have said Romo for sure. We constantly hear about "Dak and dunk". According to the data it's quite the opposite

The problem with using YPA to try to show that a QB isn't dinking and dunking is that YPA doesn't tell you how much of that 7.93 is air yards and how much is YAC.

Look at Air Yards per Attempt for the answer.
1 Winston 4.86
2 Ryan 4.84
3 Cousins 4.79
4 Mariota 4.71
5 Prescott 4.61

On Dak's average attempt of 7.93 yards, he gets 4.61 yards from air yards (5th in NFL) and 3.32 yards from YAC.

 

[mahoneybill]

If posed the question on whose YPA was bigger Dak or Romo I would have said Romo for sure. We constantly hear about "Dak and dunk". According to the data it's quite the opposite

Nice list. See Joe Montana on it. Wonder how much that number is inflated by the RAC by Jerry Rice. As I recall Montana wasn't a downfield passer either. He was great hitting Rice/Taylor with room to move and rack up yardage.

 

[SDCowboy]

The problem with using YPA to try to show that a QB isn't dinking and dunking is that YPA doesn't tell you how much of that 7.93 is air yards and how much is YAC.

Look at Air Yards per Attempt for the answer.
1 Winston 4.86
2 Ryan 4.84
3 Cousins 4.79
4 Mariota 4.71
5 Prescott 4.61

On Dak's average attempt of 7.93 yards, he gets 4.61 yards from air yards (5th in NFL) and 3.32 yards from YAC.

So still one of the highest.