Sturm on the OG situation

[visionary]

if you want to close your eyes in bright daylight and convince yourself it is nighttime, suit yourself
just dont expect most rational people to agree

when a respected football writer points out concerns about the roster (see OL) that many others have pointed out previously as concerns and some posters dont get it

maybe that is just it, they dont get it

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm more interested in pass protection than run blocking. Obviously, I want both and I think it would be a big benefit to have a good running game for Romo. But, often times teams end up getting only one or the other more than they have both. The Packers aren't exactly a great running team.

So with that, if the pass protection is good I will certainly take it. You can score more points and move the ball more efficiently with good passing than good running. We have Dez who may very well be on the verge of being the best WR in the game this year and a healthy Miles Austin. And we still have Witten and I think Murray and Dunbar are capable coming out of the backfield. Throw in guys like Harris, Escobar in the Red Zone, etc...if the pass protection is good we can still create a very effective offense that can score a lot. And if we can create turnovers on defense, we'll almost be guaranteed to be better on defense then we were last season and be a much more effective football team.

And I think Leary has some real potential. As long as his current knee injury is what they state it is (knee soreness in the 'good knee'), I don't see anything that says that he can't play in this league for quite a few years. They said the same thing about Larry Allen's shoulder coming out of college.




YR

 

[TheRomoSexual]

yeah bernie and livings and parnell is great depth.

Bottom line is that we are not deep or talented on the O line. The Boys were talking to Moore and Waters before camp so they were concerned before there were any injuries; hopefully Red Ball and Callahan can keep Jerruh from another dumpster diving expedition if we do go after a FA

Yes they are, and if you think otherwise, then you are radically overrating the backup talent around the NFL.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

if you want to close your eyes in bright daylight and convince yourself it is nighttime, suit yourself
just dont expect most rational people to agree

when a respected football writer points out concerns about the roster (see OL) that many others have pointed out previously as concerns and some posters dont get it

maybe that is just it, they dont get it

Funny how those who aren't panicking about the OLine have facts and statistics to back their points, whereas the "sky is falling" crew have to rely on one-liners and cliches.

 

[RS12]

1. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus9m
   “@Robert_C_Hilton: @BryanBroaddus @tedemrich Interesting that its Free at guard, not Parnell.” Footwork important in this scheme.
   
   
   
2. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus11m
   “@Markbristow22: is there actually a chance he starts at guard opening day?” These are things you prepare for like Costa going down.
   
   
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3. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus12m
   “@tedemrich: @BryanBroaddus Emergency planning?” Sounds like a week one plan just in case.
   
   
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4. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus17m
   Doug Free is taking some reps at right guard this morning in pre practice. Bernadeau on left side. Parnell at right tackle.
   
   

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Funny how those who aren't panicking about the OLine have facts and statistics to back their points, whereas the "sky is falling" crew have to rely on one-liners and cliches.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[visionary]

1. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus9m
   “@Robert_C_Hilton: @BryanBroaddus @tedemrich Interesting that its Free at guard, not Parnell.” Footwork important in this scheme.
   
   
   
2. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus11m
   “@Markbristow22: is there actually a chance he starts at guard opening day?” These are things you prepare for like Costa going down.
   
   
   View conversation
3. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus12m
   “@tedemrich: @BryanBroaddus Emergency planning?” Sounds like a week one plan just in case.
   
   
   View conversation
4. Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus17m
   Doug Free is taking some reps at right guard this morning in pre practice. Bernadeau on left side. Parnell at right tackle.
   

sounds like "throw stuff up and see what sticks"

just part of the "garrett process"

 

[RS12]

Doug Free is taking some reps at right guard this morning in pre practice. Bernadeau on left side. Parnell at right tackle.

If this is the O Line that gets trotted out week one, Romo needs to up his life insurance.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes they are, and if you think otherwise, then you are radically overrating the backup talent around the NFL.

No question.

Look at teams like Denver and Cleveland fighting over Moffit who has been one of the worst guards in the NFL since he came out.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm more interested in pass protection than run blocking. Obviously, I want both and I think it would be a big benefit to have a good running game for Romo. But, often times teams end up getting only one or the other more than they have both. The Packers aren't exactly a great running team.

So with that, if the pass protection is good I will certainly take it. You can score more points and move the ball more efficiently with good passing than good running. We have Dez who may very well be on the verge of being the best WR in the game this year and a healthy Miles Austin. And we still have Witten and I think Murray and Dunbar are capable coming out of the backfield. Throw in guys like Harris, Escobar in the Red Zone, etc...if the pass protection is good we can still create a very effective offense that can score a lot. And if we can create turnovers on defense, we'll almost be guaranteed to be better on defense then we were last season and be a much more effective football team.

And I think Leary has some real potential. As long as his current knee injury is what they state it is (knee soreness in the 'good knee'), I don't see anything that says that he can't play in this league for quite a few years. They said the same thing about Larry Allen's shoulder coming out of college.




YR

I agree but then packers are a WCO we are not.

The West Coast Offense, as developed by former San Francisco 49ers head coach Bill Walsh, is a finesse offense that utilizes a short passing game designed to control the ball.
In most conventional offenses, the idea is to run the ball to draw the safeties and linebackers in closer to the line of scrimmage, thus opening up passing lanes for a vertical attack. The West Coast Offense does just the opposite, using a quick, horizontal passing attack to set up the running game.

The West Coast Offense employs a variety of formations and pre-snap motions designed to confuse defenders. It also relies heavily on an ability to flood a defense with more receivers than they can handle. The quarterback often moves around more than in a conventional offense with designed roll outs and bootlegs that are tied in with the patterns being run by the receivers.

http://football.about.com/od/offensivestrategy/a/West-Coast.htm

Using the 2 TE sets the run game is a bit more important for the offense to function effectively

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If this is the O Line that gets trotted out week one, Romo needs to up his life insurance.

I wouldn't over-react.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree but then packers are a WCO we are not.

The West Coast Offense, as developed by former San Francisco 49ers head coach Bill Walsh, is a finesse offense that utilizes a short passing game designed to control the ball.
In most conventional offenses, the idea is to run the ball to draw the safeties and linebackers in closer to the line of scrimmage, thus opening up passing lanes for a vertical attack. The West Coast Offense does just the opposite, using a quick, horizontal passing attack to set up the running game.

The West Coast Offense employs a variety of formations and pre-snap motions designed to confuse defenders. It also relies heavily on an ability to flood a defense with more receivers than they can handle. The quarterback often moves around more than in a conventional offense with designed roll outs and bootlegs that are tied in with the patterns being run by the receivers.

http://football.about.com/od/offensivestrategy/a/West-Coast.htm

Using the 2 TE sets the run game is a bit more important for the offense to function effectively

I think one could point out plenty of good offenses that don't run the ball that great. The Patriots are clearly a passing offense. The Broncos didn't run it great last year. The Saints don't run it all that great either.

Obviously, running the ball well can help quite a bit.

But, it's just not that common in today's league to see a team that can pass protect and run block well. They usually do one or the other. And often times a good running game comes down to having such a lethal passing attack combined with a very good tailback that there is room for the running game despite the weak run blocking and you have an athletic enough tailback to produce yards.

I respect Sturm a lot. My experience with reading Sturm is that he tends to favor the run game a lot more. From a pure mathematical standpoint, the passing game matters much more than the running game. I don't think he quite sees it that way.

OTOH, I know Sturm has been critical of the guards and centers getting pushed back in pass protection.

I'm curious as to what Sturm has to actually say and what his reasoning is. If he's down on the guards because of the run blocking, but thinks the pass protection was fine, then I think he's over-reacting. If he sees issues in pass protection, then he has a point.




YR

 

[Doomsday101]

I think one could point out plenty of good offenses that don't run the ball that great. The Patriots are clearly a passing offense. The Broncos didn't run it great last year. The Saints don't run it all that great either.

Obviously, running the ball well can help quite a bit.

But, it's just not that common in today's league to see a team that can pass protect and run block well. They usually do one or the other. And often times a good running game comes down to having such a lethal passing attack combined with a very good tailback that there is room for the running game despite the weak run blocking and you have an athletic enough tailback to produce yards.

I respect Sturm a lot. My experience with reading Sturm is that he tends to favor the run game a lot more. From a pure mathematical standpoint, the passing game matters much more than the running game. I don't think he quite sees it that way.

OTOH, I know Sturm has been critical of the guards and centers getting pushed back in pass protection.

I'm curious as to what Sturm has to actually say and what his reasoning is. If he's down on the guards because of the run blocking, but thinks the pass protection was fine, then I think he's over-reacting. If he sees issues in pass protection, then he has a point.




YR

Pats were the 7th leading rushing team they were also 2nd in rushing attempts and lead the NFL in rushing TD. They also run a 2 TE offense. Using the Packers and the WCO? they use a short passing game as part of their ball control as Bill Walsh said in the WCO many of the short passes out to the back is part of their running game. but comparing 2 different offense and philosophy and treating them the same is incorrect.

In Dallas offense using the 2 TE rushing is important

 

[DOUBLE WING]

You have to put a lot of faith that Fred is going to make a world of difference, that Leary is going to get healthy and stay healthy for the regular season, Bern or Livings will stay healthy and play better, Free does not revert to what he did most of last year and T.Smith continuing to improve.

That is a lot of faith and hope. It is much more realistic IMO to worry about the line because we have seen the troubles last year and the injuries so far in camp vs blind hope and faith.

And you just laid out my issue. There are too many "IF'S" for me to feel any sort of confidence about this offensive line.

Don't get me wrong, every team has their own issues. Every team has their "IF'S", but I don't know that any team has had as many IF'S, at such an important position, for such a prolonged period as the Cowboys have had with the offensive line.

To believe that this offensive line is going to be successful, you have to hope that two JAGs play at a somewhat above average, serviceable level (which they have not proven to be able to do). You have to hope that one of the worst tackles in the league last year will suddenly bounce back and be a good player. You have to hope that a rookie can step in and man the line at center immediately. You have to hope that a guy with a degenerative knee condition, and now an injury to his "good knee", can somehow stay healthy for 16 (or more) games.

And if only half of those things happen, the last IF that becomes so much more important is whether or not Tyron Smith takes the next step to become an elite tackle. If half those "IF'S" don't happen, there will be even more pressure on Smith to be great.

If you can honestly look at all those question marks and feel good about the product we're going to put out on the offensive line, more power to you.

 

[cowboys2233]

That's Arkin on the left of the gaping hole.

Nice, you got a still shot of the one play where they did a good job! Miles, get your *** up there and block #37.

 

[cowboys2233]

Funny how those who aren't panicking about the OLine have facts and statistics to back their points, whereas the "sky is falling" crew have to rely on one-liners and cliches.

What, facts like the one about us having the second worst rushing attack in the entire NFL last year, those kinds of facts?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice, you got a still shot of the one play where they did a good job! Miles, get your *** up there and block #37.

Okay then, your turn now. Show me the plays where he failed as horribly as he succeeded int he still. I can show you where Bernadeau did including that still there.

 

[xwalker]

Arkin was very good in the Cardinals game. He only had 1 bad play.

If anyone concluded that Arkin can't play, it's not because they watched the Cardinals game. It's because they had come to the conclusion prior to that game.

 

[burmafrd]

Funny how those who aren't panicking about the OLine have facts and statistics to back their points, whereas the "sky is falling" crew have to rely on one-liners and cliches.

31st Rushing ranking
romo running for his life

You like to ignore things like that

 

[burmafrd]

I wouldn't over-react.

of course YOU won't