Twitter: Sturm on Zeke contract

[blueblood70]

Did I mention the guy is a bonehead...and the league has already suspended him? He's already got a strike against him..and is a target to be a repeat offender. Just cut bait now while he still has some value.

you mean like Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson one got away with murder thee other beat his child with a switch..odd they never got in trouble again and Zekes were unfounded, no proof, nothing ..id say hes not bonehead and roger goodell is the culprit..

Ill add your post was idiotic..Zeke didnt deserve a suspension and not a repeat offender until it happens..

 

[aikemirv]

Then trade him to someone stupid enough to spend QB/DE/LT money on a running back.

(Oh wait, that's probably us.)

Honest question. Is Zeke worth more to us than Demarcus Lawrence?

 

[buybuydandavis]

Interestingly enough, they had another article called The Curse of 370 (how many carries can you feed an RB in a season before you literally break him), and they found there was no real correlation to an RB's health and the number of receptions he had. Got googling for the 2100 article and couldn't find it, but I did run across the 370 paper.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2007/370-carries-revisited

Let's examine each question in turn. The first issue is whether "touches" are a better measure of workload than carries, with touches equaling the total of each back's carries and receptions for a given year. From 1978 through 2004, 60 running backs had seasons of at least 340 carries. Comparing the number of carries for each running back with the number of yards he gained the following year gives us a correlation coefficient of -.24. In other words, as players carry the ball more, they are less likely to run for as many yards the following year, due to a mixture of lost effectiveness and injury. If we want to measure only effectiveness (yards per carry) or playing time (total carries) the correlations are similar.

If we take the same 60 running backs and compare touches to yards the following year, the correlations are roughly half as large. This suggests that carries are a better indicator of workload than touches. Compare just receptions to rushing yards the following year, not even considering carries, and it is clear why: the correlation between receptions and yards the following year is actually positive, albeit tiny. If more receptions indicate anything, it is that a player will gain more yards the following year, in particular more yards per carry.

Luv me sum football outsiders. Thanks.

This has been my theory for a while. Much less wear and tear on a RB from receptions than carries. Just not the same punishment getting tackled in the open field by LBs and DBs than taking hits in the box from the dline and LBs on carries.

And why should our count end before the playoffs, when Alexander added another 20 carries per game through the Super Bowl?
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This is where we have bad news for Seattle fans. It does look like postseason carries matter, with 390 carries total forming a barrier equivalent to 370 regular-season carries.​

You didn't do playoff carries in your analysis, did you?

Emmitt's workload was simply staggering when you include playoffs. He averaged 55 carries extra per year in the playoffs in his first 6 years. In 1995, that makes the year 451 carries and 68 receptions.

Leads the league in career playoff yards, despite running 51 fewer carries than Franco.
349 carries, 1586 yards in the playoffs. Another full season.

 

[HungryLion]

AP just finished cranking out a 1000 yard season at 33, which is pretty freaky in its own right, but would you pay $15 million a year for what he gives you right now? That's what we're trying to determine with Zeke here - how long is he likely to be worth top dollar.

The exact length of a player's career is more or less down to luck, but if you want to talk about the time when they go from Stud to Not A Stud, it looks fairy predictable.

True. But if you sign Zeke to a 5 year deal now. The last year of his contract he is only 28 years old.

Most elite RB’s are still prime at 28 unless they get injured.

 

[aria]

I'd say it worked out well. He preserved a year on his body, earned very good money, and did not reward the team that jerked around with him with services. There's a lot of smoke going on with the Steelers that indicates that problems go way beyond pay. But you're a player hater unless they act like a robot and bend over for the team at every turn. This is professional sports, not the military.

Lol, a player hater? What the hell does that even mean, please define exactly what makes someone a “player hater”?

Yeah, seems like it really worked out well for him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...eveon-bell-jets-contract-steelers/3148517002/

 

[beware_d-ware]

Lol, a player hater? What the hell does that even mean, please define exactly what makes someone a “player hater”?

Yeah, seems like it really worked out well for him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...eveon-bell-jets-contract-steelers/3148517002/

The Steelers 5 year, $70M offer reportedly only had $10 million guaranteed. If Bell got hurt at any point of that deal, Pittsburgh was going to dump him because they could. If he declined, they were going to dump him because they could. It left him in a pretty precarious position financially.

Sitting out a year got him $35M fully guaranteed. Whether he gets hurt or not, whether he's productive or not, that money is going to his bank account. It's worth half of the Steelers offer total, and that's probably as much of the $70M deal as he could expect to see.

Luv me sum football outsiders. Thanks.

This has been my theory for a while. Much less wear and tear on a RB from receptions than carries. Just not the same punishment getting tackled in the open field by LBs and DBs than taking hits in the box from the dline and LBs on carries.

And why should our count end before the playoffs, when Alexander added another 20 carries per game through the Super Bowl?
...
This is where we have bad news for Seattle fans. It does look like postseason carries matter, with 390 carries total forming a barrier equivalent to 370 regular-season carries.​

You didn't do playoff carries in your analysis, did you?

Emmitt's workload was simply staggering when you include playoffs. He averaged 55 carries extra per year in the playoffs in his first 6 years. In 1995, that makes the year 451 carries and 68 receptions.

Leads the league in career playoff yards, despite running 51 fewer carries than Franco.
349 carries, 1586 yards in the playoffs. Another full season.

Nope, did not factor in player carries. I just went off of Pro Football Reference's regular season stats.

And yeah, Emmitt put up some numbers that are going to be left standing for a very long time. Curtis Martin and Frank Gore are arguably the RB iron men since Emmitt retired, and they haven't even come close.

 

[Nightman]

The Steelers 5 year, $70M offer reportedly only had $10 million guaranteed. If Bell got hurt at any point of that deal,

That is not true.....the signing bonus was only 10m but he also got a 10m roster bonus and 1m salary for 21m paid Year One..........another 12 fully gtd for injury right away and another 12m the next year

That is only 2m less than he got with NY and he wasted 14m to get it

 

[CCBoy]

Gurley is a very good RB but he has also dealt with knee injuries dating back to college. Zeke has not had to deal with injuries and to me it is the injuries that shorten the career of RB's more than anything. As far as a RB on 2nd contract worked out great for Lynch and the Seahawks.

Back when, if the Baltimore Colts could do it with Alan Ameche, and his two to three yards and a cloud of dust for a NFL Title...the Cowboys certainly can up the odds with Zeke Elliott and some really elevated pounding!