Sturm talks interior line and draft

[jterrell]

It was dumb to go into the season depending on players that stayed injured and was over the hill. If Bass and Crawford would have stayed healthy, there is a good chance that they would have proven to be nothing more than jags. There were plenty of people that figured the train wreck was coming, even some mediots.

Who the heck are you even talking about???
Ratliff? Fair except he was already paid... so the gamble was essentially a free one.

Who else??
Spencer was in his prime.
Ware had NEVER MISSED A GAME IN HIS CAREER.
Crawford and Bass were very young depth. No one expected missed seasons there.

People say this crap with incredulity as if it is really true.
It isn't. It is complete made up nonsense.

Dallas lost of 4 of it's 6 top DL in 2013. No amount of depth can handle that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

actually ngata was injured didnt play most of that game. But yeah costa had a nice game against a second stringer. Go costa

You're right.

He didn't play most of the game.

"Only" played in 63 snaps.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You insulted me and anyone that disagrees with your assessments by using the term self professed football experts.

please show me where insulted you

it also seems to me, you agree that most on this board are self-proclaimed football experts when it comes to evaluating talent because playing footall in HS does not qualify you (or me) as more than that

so, what is your point again?

First you called myself and anyone that said Costa had even a fighting chance a "pollyanna". Then you went on to say "these are people who are self-professed football experts" in reference to the same group of people. You obviously weren't including yourself in this group since you referenced "these" people. It's an insult...pure and simple. Just because you don't out and out call someone a moron doesn't change the fact that you are demeaning these people.

You clearly tried to identify yourself as something better than that group, so to work a little passive-aggressive BS you then try to paint yourself as just another board member that is a self proclaimed expert. Fact is, I surely don't consider myself a football expert...I've thrown out an opinion about a player based on what I have seen when he has been healthy and other facts about the player...such as the fact he spent just a few days as a free agent before being signed by another team that is going to give him a chance to start, despite the fact there numerous other free agent center options out there.

In the meantime, you still dance around the simple question as to what your background is that makes your opinion so superior to the opinion of "those kind" of people that you mock.

 

[visionary]

You insulted me and anyone that disagrees with your assessments by using the term self professed football experts.


First you called myself and anyone that said Costa had even a fighting chance a "pollyanna". Then you went on to say "these are people who are self-professed football experts" in reference to the same group of people. You obviously weren't including yourself in this group since you referenced "these" people. It's an insult...pure and simple. Just because you don't out and out call someone a moron doesn't change the fact that you are demeaning these people.

You clearly tried to identify yourself as something better than that group, so to work a little passive-aggressive BS you then try to paint yourself as just another board member that is a self proclaimed expert. Fact is, I surely don't consider myself a football expert...I've thrown out an opinion about a player based on what I have seen when he has been healthy and other facts about the player...such as the fact he spent just a few days as a free agent before being signed by another team that is going to give him a chance to start, despite the fact there numerous other free agent center options out there.

In the meantime, you still dance around the simple question as to what your background is that makes your opinion so superior to the opinion of "those kind" of people that you mock.

so you were in the group that felt costa would solidify our OL and be the answer for a decade and "just needed more time to develop"?

whoda thunk it?

i guess even 'real experts' like yourself are allowed a mulligan

dont worry, our OL didnt improve because we finally replaced world beaters like arkin, nagy, costa, and kowalski with tyron and t fred, must be another reason

i am also quite sure that all these guys will be all pros at some point in their HOF careers

and, once again you misquote me, please show me where i called anyone a "pollyanna"

 

[Risen Star]

"And by that, I mean Alexander and visionary. Both of whom still think I'm posting seriously when I'm so obviously not."

Whatever you have to believe to make yourself feel better about being so wrong.

 

[Risen Star]

First of all you have a bunch of sycophants and followers as well as a posse. You appear to be the leader of the band. I'm glad that blows your dress up. It's empty AFAIC.

Everyone ran on a different system than we do now when we won last. And the structure of most teams changed as it has had to evolve. We just haven't changed the one thing that appears to drive a lot of your agenda and that's Jerry Jones. Most of us don't obsess over that because he's not stepping down and complaining about it incessantly only looks foolish. I'm on record as saying you can't run a large corporation the way Jerry runs his. There's too much inbreeding/family and not enough outside influence that's lasting or of the right substance. Jerry needs to do what he does best. See even I know all that as does almost every fan on this site and in the Cowboys' great nation of .....fandom. Only you seem to need a crusade to justify your claim to fame.

I believe it was Parcells who said you are what you are since you bring him up. We've been a 500 team BP (before Parcells) and AP. Parcells did leave an influence that I still see and that's in scouting and some in Jerry. I see a difference its just not enough. And Jerry is a large part of the problem. But this all started with 'this is the worst run club in the NFL' evidence to the contrary. You're entitled to your opinion but you just happen to be factually incorrect on that subject. Perhaps you mean of all the average clubs this one is the worst average club.

As long as you continue to claim this club is the worst at this and that you'll appear foolish. It's not the worst of much. The problem is its not the best of anything.

Yes, I have a "posse". They're called fans who live in reality where stiffs like Phil Costa can't play.

I'm not interested in how foolish I look to you. You thought Phil Costa was worth the time and roster spot. I don't play to that crowd. When you tell me the team won three super bowls as a defense for the current status quo it tells me how lost you are as to what is going on. You might as well tell me about the 70's titles while you're at it. They'll have as much to do with the current structure of the team.

There is not a team in the league more mismanaged than the Cowboys. You won't find a more unqualified GM and chief assistant than what you find here. You won't find a more micromanaged coaching staff. It's not a run of bad luck and circumstance that has given us by far the worst sustained era of Cowboys football in it's history. There's an actual reason for it. It has to do with the way the team is now run. The radical shift that occurred in 1994 that led to the destruction of a dynasty and the death of the Dallas Cowboys.

For the love of God, man...open your eyes and live in the real world. Nobody will take your fan card. I swear it.

 

[Zordon]

Hey did somebody disrespect my posse up in here??

 

[Corso]

I haven't lost a single rational minded fan of this team.

You honestly believe that?
I'm about as rational minded on this board as it gets and you lost me a while ago.
I decided to give you a sporting chance just last night that maybe I'm simply generalizing so I went and looked over your activity.

Interspersed between a few real posts it was the same thing over and over.
And over.
And over.
And over.
Sarcastic snipes at the roster, both current and old and blasting JJ and his "chubby assistant".
Not much else.
You've gotten stale, my man. Notice how it's always the same 5 posters giving you all those likes?
They do the same thing so it should be no surprise.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

so you were in the group that felt costa would solidify our OL and be the answer for a decade and "just needed more time to develop"?

whoda thunk it?

i guess even 'real experts' like yourself are allowed a mulligan

dont worry, our OL didnt improve because we finally replaced world beaters like arkin, nagy, costa, and kowalski with tyron and t fred, must be another reason

i am also quite sure that all these guys will be all pros at some point in their HOF careers

and, once again you misquote me, please show me where i called anyone a "pollyanna"

Nah, I never said that. I did say I thought he could develop into a decent starter. Never said Pro Bowl. Never said be here 10 years. None of that.

As for guys like Smith and Frederick, I was elated that they finally spent some high picks on guys that have the pedigree to be long term answers...so I guess it doesn't take a visionary to spot talent. Especially in the first round.

What was your feeling on Leary? You know, another undrafted nobody. I am guessing that you probably didn't have much faith in him either, or did your trained eye realize that he was pretty good despite his lack of being drafted?

And you are right, you didn't specifically say pollyanna. That was burma, who you quoted and then referred to that same group of people as "these people". So I stand corrected. However, you did refer to that same group of people in a derogatory fashion...so yeah, you still insulted people.

 

[Idgit]

Whatever you have to believe to make yourself feel better about being so wrong.

We've got post histories to tell us who's been wrong. I think you should consider my take a compliment, overall. I simply think you're too bright a guy to actually believe the stuff you post half the time.

 

[jnday]

Who the heck are you even talking about???
Ratliff? Fair except he was already paid... so the gamble was essentially a free one.

Who else??
Spencer was in his prime.
Ware had NEVER MISSED A GAME IN HIS CAREER.
Crawford and Bass were very young depth. No one expected missed seasons there.

People say this crap with incredulity as if it is really true.
It isn't. It is complete made up nonsense.

Dallas lost of 4 of it's 6 top DL in 2013. No amount of depth can handle that.

When an old stating lineup is in place, you have to be prepared. Looks like you bought into the limping old man scheme. There is a sucker born every minute. Yeah, Rat was playing the injury card, but Ware has been slowed by injuries before this last season. Was you really surprised by his collapse?

 

[Bullflop]

I'm all for giving Leary and Berny a chance to solidify their positions further but I'm also for seeing to it that solid backups are in place at those interior positions as well. The inside positions are the most vulnerable ones to injury on the OL, without question. What compounds that possible problem even more is that no capable backups are available in the event injury hits one of them.
It'd be a serious oversight if the interior OL positions aren't provided for with an able-bodied backup or two in the upcoming draft.

 

[jterrell]

When an old stating lineup is in place, you have to be prepared. Looks like you bought into the limping old man scheme. There is a sucker born every minute. Yeah, Rat was playing the injury card, but Ware has been slowed by injuries before this last season. Was you really surprised by his collapse?

At the Kickoff Luncheon the depth chart was fairly stacked and something like:
WDE: Ware, Selvie, Wilber
SDE: Spencer, Crawford
3T: Hatcher, Bass
1T: Ratliff, Lissemore, Hayden

Talk was Hatcher might even play 1T and 3T swing since Bass and Crawford could both play 3T well.
That's pretty friggin good. And a lot of that depth chart is VERY young.
We may very well see 6 of those guys start in the NFL in 2014. (Not including Wilber who may start at SLB)

They caught a find in Hayden who pushed Lissemore off the roster.
They were not short on talent anywhere nor over exposed in any one position of that group.
But again you lose the young depth first then immediately lose the vet studs as well... yea that's nuts.
Of that group 4 guys played a total of 1.5 games: Spencer, Ratliff(dooosh issue), Bass, Crawford.
One guy wasn't able to play the position and was an evaluation miss: Wilber.

As to Ware, darn straight I was surprised he fell off so quickly.
He isn't Sean Lee or Matt Johnson.
And not only was I surprised but Denver feels it was a complete fluke because they just handed the guy 20m guaranteed.

Anyone who argues DL wasn't one of the deepest and most talented position groups on this team entering TC is either lying, or not very smart.
And what's worse is when really not very smart people try to claim some sort of kudos for all their crying and whining as if they were a football genius and peered in the obvious crystal ball.
Get. a. grip.
The sadder thing is when those people were really crying about the OL more but since that ended up a team strength through luck with injuries they ignore it altogether as a subject now.
Don't get sucked in to those trolls with their insipid unintelligible arguments man.

Age and injury status had very little to do with each other last year.
We had more injuries to kids then aged veterans.
And any position on this team will suck if it loses 4 guys off the depth chart.
Heck if Witten had went down for a month plus drafting Escobar would have "looked" genius and Witten is hardly young.

 

[jterrell]

I'm all for giving Leary and Berny a chance to solidify their positions further but I'm also for seeing to it that solid backups are in place at those interior positions as well. The inside positions are the most vulnerable ones to injury on the OL, without question. What compounds that possible problem even more is that no capable backups are available in the event injury hits one of them.
It'd be a serious oversight if the interior OL positions aren't provided for with an able-bodied backup or two in the upcoming draft.

If not the draft(you can't control where the value is) then amongst more cheap free agent types.
Some depth there is absolutely required.
They were very lucky last year.

 

[dboyz]

At the Kickoff Luncheon the depth chart was fairly stacked and something like:
WDE: Ware, Selvie, Wilber
SDE: Spencer, Crawford
3T: Hatcher, Bass
1T: Ratliff, Lissemore, Hayden

Talk was Hatcher might even play 1T and 3T swing since Bass and Crawford could both play 3T well.
That's pretty friggin good. And a lot of that depth chart is VERY young.
We may very well see 6 of those guys start in the NFL in 2014. (Not including Wilber who may start at SLB)

They caught a find in Hayden who pushed Lissemore off the roster.
They were not short on talent anywhere nor over exposed in any one position of that group.
But again you lose the young depth first then immediately lose the vet studs as well... yea that's nuts.
Of that group 4 guys played a total of 1.5 games: Spencer, Ratliff(dooosh issue), Bass, Crawford.
One guy wasn't able to play the position and was an evaluation miss: Wilber.

As to Ware, darn straight I was surprised he fell off so quickly.
He isn't Sean Lee or Matt Johnson.
And not only was I surprised but Denver feels it was a complete fluke because they just handed the guy 20m guaranteed.

Anyone who argues DL wasn't one of the deepest and most talented position groups on this team entering TC is either lying, or not very smart.
And what's worse is when really not very smart people try to claim some sort of kudos for all their crying and whining as if they were a football genius and peered in the obvious crystal ball.
Get. a. grip.
The sadder thing is when those people were really crying about the OL more but since that ended up a team strength through luck with injuries they ignore it altogether as a subject now.
Don't get sucked in to those trolls with their insipid unintelligible arguments man.

Age and injury status had very little to do with each other last year.
We had more injuries to kids then aged veterans.
And any position on this team will suck if it loses 4 guys off the depth chart.
Heck if Witten had went down for a month plus drafting Escobar would have "looked" genius and Witten is hardly young.

This should be posted anyone brings up ignoring the DL position in 2013.