Sturm talks interior line and draft

[Idgit]

says one of the Pollyanna's.

Costa was NOT injured during that Commander game- love how you guys keep coming up with more excuses for him.

They really aren't excuses. He played poorly. Then he improved. Then he was extended. Then he got hurt twice and was unable to play most of the season. Then they drafted the last highly-rated interior OL prospect on their board and he happened to be better than Costa. Then they tried to renegotiate to keep him as a backup. He didn't want to, because he knew he'd have better options in FA. He did. Now he's on another team and competing for starting snaps.

There's no way around it, burm. The player is exactly what the 'pollyannas' have said he was all along. A street free agent who's capable of giving you starting snaps and who has the potential to grow into a long term starter. He's been in the league three years since you've been complaining about him, and his value has been validated by multiple NFL contracts since then. You were wrong, point blank about him. And no amount of bringing up games from years ago is going to change that. I'm sorry that it's hard for you to accept, but it's the cold, hard truth.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

They really aren't excuses. He played poorly. Then he improved. Then he was extended. Then he got hurt twice and was unable to play most of the season. Then they drafted the last highly-rated interior OL prospect on their board and he happened to be better than Costa. Then they tried to renegotiate to keep him as a backup. He didn't want to, because he knew he'd have better options in FA. He did. Now he's on another team and competing for starting snaps.

There's no way around it, burm. The player is exactly what the 'pollyannas' have said he was all along. A street free agent who's capable of giving you starting snaps and who has the potential to grow into a long term starter. He's been in the league three years since you've been complaining about him, and his value has been validated by multiple NFL contracts since then. You were wrong, point blank about him. And no amount of bringing up games from years ago is going to change that. I'm sorry that it's hard for you to accept, but it's the cold, hard truth.

Yep.

There are several FA centers, supposedly better than "the worst player in the NFL" sitting out there unsigned, while Costa was signed within just a few days and it wasn't for a single season and it wasn't for the league minimum. And it was done by a team that supposedly knows what they are doing.

 

[Dodger12]

I'd agree with your 90% number. Or at least, it'd be a significant majority. I'd fire Jerry the GM, too, as would most of the Cowboys fans anywhere. That wasn't the question, though. We're talking about agreeing with Risen, who pretends to believe silly things just to get attention.

Interesting. You believe Jerry should be fired and agree with RS's primary position but that position is "silly" even though you agree with him? I also like the angle that posters who may agree with another poster are sycophants and part of some virtual internet posse. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I give folks here credit for thinking outside the box.

 

[Idgit]

Interesting. You believe Jerry should be fired and agree with RS's primary position but that position is "silly" even though you agree with him? I also like the angle that posters who may agree with another poster are sycophants and part of some virtual internet posse. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I give folks here credit for thinking outside the box.

Well, now, hold up. You're all over the place here.

I agree that Jerry Jones is not a very good GM, and, yes, I think most teams would fire a GM who's not very good. There really aren't that many people on this board who've ever disagreed with that, I don't think.

That's not the same thing as saying that point belongs in every single thread on the board without any regard for whether or not it's particularly relevant. Similarly, I don't complain all that often about the fact that gravity makes my feet hurt after a long day at work. It's annoying...and it's not going to change anytime soon.

Then there are the other half-dozen topics which are either amusing or just plain obvious attention-seeking cries for notoriety that I can't believe anybody actually takes seriously. Stuff like CBs aren't important. I would draft an OG as the first overall pick in the 2013 draft. We should spend $60M on a free agent offensive guard. People are counting on Ben Bass. There's a cult of Rod Marinelli and it's a bad thing. These are the silly things I was referring to, well, because they're just silly.

As to 'likes' on the internet...I never said anybody was a syncophant. I acknowledged that posters tend to like posts that they agree with, and while that's fine (it's really nice, actually), it's not any basis for determining who's right and who's wrong on any particular debate.

 

[visionary]

says one of the Pollyanna's.

Costa was NOT injured during that Commander game- love how you guys keep coming up with more excuses for him.

you have to remember that these are people who are self-professed football experts and whose football 'self worth' is tied to costa being at least a serviceable back up somewhere

they will spin this into next century but avoid admitting the truth

 

[Idgit]

you have to remember that these are people who are self-professed football experts and whose football 'self worth' is tied to costa being at least a serviceable back up somewhere

they will spin this into next century but avoid admitting the truth

Or...bear with me now, visionary...you could look at the arguments that were actually made at the time, and realize that we were right about the player, and that what you're doing now is trying, badly, to change the topic to something personal because that's easier than simply saying 'my bad on that one' and moving on.

If we're spinning, though, I'll invite you to cite an example. Maybe I'm remembering the debates wrong.

 

[Stash]

Yep.

There are several FA centers, supposedly better than "the worst player in the NFL" sitting out there unsigned, while Costa was signed within just a few days and it wasn't for a single season and it wasn't for the league minimum. And it was done by a team that supposedly knows what they are doing.

Was it that team that gave up this year's first rounder for Trent Richardson?

 

[Stash]

They really aren't excuses. He played poorly. Then he improved. Then he was extended. Then he got hurt twice and was unable to play most of the season. Then they drafted the last highly-rated interior OL prospect on their board and he happened to be better than Costa. Then they tried to renegotiate to keep him as a backup. He didn't want to, because he knew he'd have better options in FA. He did. Now he's on another team and competing for starting snaps.

There's no way around it, burm. The player is exactly what the 'pollyannas' have said he was all along. A street free agent who's capable of giving you starting snaps and who has the potential to grow into a long term starter. He's been in the league three years since you've been complaining about him, and his value has been validated by multiple NFL contracts since then. You were wrong, point blank about him. And no amount of bringing up games from years ago is going to change that. I'm sorry that it's hard for you to accept, but it's the cold, hard truth.

Hey, Corey Procter got a job after he left here too. Didn't make him any good either.

But, like Phil Costa, a bunch of people scolded anyone who told them that guy couldn't play either.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Was it that team that gave up this year's first rounder for Trent Richardson?

Hey they've gotten smarter.

 

[Stash]

Hey they've gotten smarter.

Heh!

 

[Dodger12]

Then there are the other half-dozen topics which are either amusing or just plain obvious attention-seeking cries for notoriety that I can't believe anybody actually takes seriously. Stuff like CBs aren't important. I would draft an OG as the first overall pick in the 2013 draft. We should spend $60M on a free agent offensive guard. People are counting on Ben Bass. There's a cult of Rod Marinelli and it's a bad thing. These are the silly things I was referring to, well, because they're just silly.

People here have opinions, no different then the attention seekers that start the post game threads and break down the film or want to educate the general masses on football in general. Some of that stuff was out there but I don't see you thinking it was silly. Bottom line is when we signed Melton, folks like RS that pimped the DL approved. When we picked Frederick, RS and others approved with the player although they may have had a problem with where he was picked or the trade itself. It's called consistency.

And some folks have elevated coaches like Garrett and Marinelli to cult status, same as they did with Hudson Houck and we saw how that turned out. I don't think it's silly to believe Marinelli can't turn a street FA into an all-pro, but that's just me.

 

[Idgit]

People here have opinions, no different then the attention seekers that start the post game threads and break down the film or want to educate the general masses on football in general. Some of that stuff was out there but I don't see you thinking it was silly. Bottom line is when we signed Melton, folks like RS that pimped the DL approved. When we picked Frederick, RS and others approved with the player although they may have had a problem with where he was picked or the trade itself. It's called consistency.

And some folks have elevated coaches like Garrett and Marinelli to cult status, same as they did with Hudson Houck and we saw how that turned out. I don't think it's silly to believe Marinelli can't turn a street FA into an all-pro, but that's just me.

Ok. I'm not sure where we disagree on that, other than you not thinking some of the RS look-at-me stuff is silly where I do.

I don't think Marinelli can turn a street free agent into an all-pro, either, for the record. Then again, I doubt many do. I think most just think he's shown to be a good DL coach and are happy that we've got him and pleased with his promotion to DC since most weren't overly fond of the Kiffin hire to begin with.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And some folks have elevated coaches like Garrett and Marinelli to cult status, same as they did with Hudson Houck and we saw how that turned out. I don't think it's silly to believe Marinelli can't turn a street FA into an all-pro, but that's just me.

Some have done that.

But the vast majority are more even-handed. They'd like Garrett to succeed but usually acknowledge that he's had issues and this is a make or break year. I think there are far more that bust on Garrett about everything than those that worship the ground he walks on.

As far as Marinelli goes I think many feel that he's one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL. Is that an unreasonable thought? I haven't read many posts from anyone thinking that Marinelli can turn Hayden into an all-pro. And like with the Garrett detractors, the ones that like to get those little jabs on Marinelli (for whatever reason) seem to be more plentiful than the "pie-in-the-sky" folks.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Hmm, so Risen says the defense should have been the focus last year and we screwed up by not taking one early. Of course, if we had we wouldn't have drafted Frederick most likely, something he takes credit for calling. Why do I think no matter what we do that is positive he is going to som

you have to remember that these are people who are self-professed football experts and whose football 'self worth' is tied to costa being at least a serviceable back up somewhere

they will spin this into next century but avoid admitting the truth

And what are you? You sure seem to have a very high opinion in regard to your own football accumen.

What is your football resume?

 

[visionary]

What is your football resume?[/quote]

ahhh, the completely original "i played football in little league, when did you play" argument

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

ahhh, the completely original "i played football in little league, when did you play" argument

LOL, you are the one that called the people that don't agree with you self proclaimed football experts. Nice non answer.

 

[visionary]

LOL, you are the one that called the people that don't agree with you self proclaimed football experts. Nice non answer.

OK, if you are a professional scout that gets paid by an NFL team, let me know and I will defer to your judgement on players that you have experience scouting

if you are a coach that gets paid by an NFL team, let me know and I will defer to your judgement on players at that position

i will wait patiently for your answer

fair enough?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

OK, if you are a professional scout that gets paid by an NFL team, let me know and I will defer to your judgement on players that you have experience scouting

if you are a coach that gets paid by an NFL team, let me know and I will defer to your judgement on players at that position

i will wait patiently for your answer

fair enough?

See, you can't answer a simple question after you are the one that posted how people that don't agree with you are self professed experts.

If you asked me, I'd give you an answer. I've played football from Pop Warner through high school. Was a better athlete in another sport and went to college for it. Don't claim to have any special NFL resume. I am guessing that you probably have no better football background than I do.

The difference is one of us is slinging insults and the other isn't.

 

[Tex]

Costa was pretty bad for the first 6 games or so of the 2011 season. But he was injured throughout that stretch also.

I've wondered why Costa never received the benefit of the doubt for looking bad while injured but when Costa played at a healthy level in 2012 vs. Baltimore and gave Ngata a beat down all we hear is... "Ngata was injured".

I guess we can file that under "A" for Agenda.

actually ngata was injured didnt play most of that game. But yeah costa had a nice game against a second stringer. Go costa

 

[visionary]

See, you can't answer a simple question after you are the one that posted how people that don't agree with you are self professed experts.

If you asked me, I'd give you an answer. I've played football from Pop Warner through high school. Was a better athlete in another sport and went to college for it. Don't claim to have any special NFL resume. I am guessing that you probably have no better football background than I do.

The difference is one of us is slinging insults and the other isn't.

please show me where insulted you

it also seems to me, you agree that most on this board are self-proclaimed football experts when it comes to evaluating talent because playing footall in HS does not qualify you (or me) as more than that

so, what is your point again?