Sturm: What Are We Doing at RT? The Tyson Clabo Report

[CATCH17]

Well we can argue about how much, but really he will get a good contract, and the numbers will be substantial enough that it will affect our total cap situation.

The easiest way for us to be prepared for Dez's and Lee's contracts is to look at getting rid of Free and Miles with DL and OT being very high on our list of needs next year since we already have Miles probable replacement.

We need to get lucky with some of our young guys.

Parnell, Crawford, Lissemore could really put us ahead of the curve if they could step up and at the very least be solid football players.

I think they all have the upside to be a little better than solid.



BTW, i've heard Rumors that Albright may be asked to play Defensive end as well as OLB so he'll be a utility type of guy.

 

[jterrell]

Lee and Dez are going to be expensive, injuries or not IMO. Yeah, by next year we will be out from under the BS crap the NFL levied on us for Austin's contract. Yeah, if we have any sense at all, we will be out from under Free's contract and Spencer's contract. I don't honestly know if we can get out from under Miles' contract. I have no idea what the restructure looks like. It may not be friendly towards a release, I don't know. I know that Romo's contract is going to be there so that's a lot of cap. I know that after Lee and Dez, we have Carter and Murray coming up as well.

I think we need to sign a two year deal with a 1 year option for one of these OTs and then we need to make OT, Right or Left, a priority next year. No way we can just sign any decent player to a 1 year deal and we can't afford to keep Free on at his Salary. Free has already said he's not taking a pay cut and doesn't expect to be in Dallas so something has to give here.

miles is easy to get out from under.
we paid him no real signing bonus but instead a massive salary in the uncapped year. we made it tougher with these restructures but his dead money cost is still lower than his cap hit if we keep him. he'd be a june 2nd guy. very similar to doug free.

john mara says thanks.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

We need to get lucky with some of our young guys.

Parnell, Crawford, Lissemore could really put us ahead of the curve if they could step up and at the very least be solid football players.

I think they all have the upside to be a little better than solid.



BTW, i've heard Rumors that Albright may be asked to play Defensive end as well as OLB so he'll be a utility type of guy.

With our cap situation, some of the young guys just have to workout for us at this point. I wouldn't count Crawford as one of them though, cause I would already put him as a probable starter at DE or DT very soon.

If a guy like Parnell or Lissemore could step up, that would change alot for this team, although it is a huge long shot.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

miles is easy to get out from under.
we paid him no real signing bonus but instead a massive salary in the uncapped year. we made it tougher with these restructures but his dead money cost is still lower than his cap hit if we keep him. he'd be a june 2nd guy. very similar to doug free.

john mara says thanks.

I don't know one way or the other JT. I have no idea what the restructures actually effected. However, I do question the idea of cutting Austin in 2014 or 2015. If I understand the restructure, the Cowboys basically converted 5.9 Million of his base salary to bonus in order to spread it out over 3 years. Now, his Salary for this season is $840K plus 5.9 Million Signing Bonus. His salary for 2014 is 5.5 Million and his salary for 2016 is 6.9 Million. That's actually really cheap for a WR, injured or not, the quality of Austin. We have already paid him his 5.9 so if we cut him in 2014 or 2015, what ever is left automatically accelerates into that year's cap number. I don't know if it would be smart to do that with him. In 2016, his base salary is 11.38 Million so it makes much more sense for us to wait until 2016 to cut him because that would actually represent a savings. The Bonus will already have played out and so you get rid of the 11.38 Million you are on the hook for. I don't know if the Cowboys will be in any position to cut Austin before then.

 

[jterrell]

With our cap situation, some of the young guys just have to workout for us at this point. I wouldn't count Crawford as one of them though, cause I would already put him as a probable starter at DE or DT very soon.

If a guy like Parnell or Lissemore could step up, that would change alot for this team, although it is a huge long shot.

add in a guy like price. if he helped the way columbo did for a couple years that assists majorly on the cap. if he'd stayed healthy and mentally sound the guy would probably cost us 5m+ per year.

 

[burmafrd]

The Free defenders keep pointing to his performance in the last 3 games.

Well consider this: he was getting plays off due to Parnell so he was fresher.

And just who was he up against in those last three games?

Anyone of real quality?

 

[jterrell]

I don't know one way or the other JT. I have no idea what the restructures actually effected. However, I do question the idea of cutting Austin in 2014 or 2015. If I understand the restructure, the Cowboys basically converted 5.9 Million of his base salary to bonus in order to spread it out over 3 years. Now, his Salary for this season is $840K plus 5.9 Million Signing Bonus. His salary for 2014 is 5.5 Million and his salary for 2016 is 6.9 Million. That's actually really cheap for a WR, injured or not, the quality of Austin. We have already paid him his 5.9 so if we cut him in 2014 or 2015, what ever is left automatically accelerates into that year's cap number. I don't know if it would be smart to do that with him. In 2016, his base salary is 11.38 Million so it makes much more sense for us to wait until 2016 to cut him because that would actually represent a savings. The Bonus will already have played out and so you get rid of the 11.38 Million you are on the hook for. I don't know if the Cowboys will be in any position to cut Austin before then.

Miles isn't cheap at 6m per year. He's barely doable. BARELY.
Again this a guy who who has 1 elite season in his entire career.
His success per target rate is low. His pure hands rating is low.
At one point Miles was a constant workout buddy of Romo. He was all potential but he was a cheap guy out of no where.

Now Miles is paid like a star WR. He simply hasn't earned that.

He was outplayed in 2011 by Laurent Robinson.
In 2012 he had 25 catches, 2 TDs and never broke 80 yards receiving the 2nd half of the season. In the two pivotal games versus Washington he didn't do a thing. He was outplayed by Dwayne Harris who had never taken a regular season snap at WR in the final month+ of last season.

Miles likely gets the same offer as Doug Free next year. Reduce that base without another big check or we release you.

I would have released Miles and Free this year post June 2nd. But Dallas needed the restructure for cap relief before the draft.

 

[DFWJC]

Lee has another injury and he'll be pretty cheap.

Dez has any off the field issues, and he'll be pretty cheap as well.

If they both have monster years, which is certainly a possibility, we could be in some trouble.

Both will be Pro Bowlers in 2013

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

The Free defenders keep pointing to his performance in the last 3 games.

Well consider this: he was getting plays off due to Parnell so he was fresher.

And just who was he up against in those last three games?

Anyone of real quality?

The bottom line is this; Doug Free is not living up to his contract and is a pretty bad starter. At best, he's a below average swing tackle on a lackluster team like the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Miles isn't cheap at 6m per year. He's barely doable. BARELY.
Again this a guy who who has 1 elite season in his entire career.
His success per target rate is low. His pure hands rating is low.
At one point Miles was a constant workout buddy of Romo. He was all potential but he was a cheap guy out of no where.

Now Miles is paid like a star WR. He simply hasn't earned that.

He was outplayed in 2011 by Laurent Robinson.
In 2012 he had 25 catches, 2 TDs and never broke 80 yards receiving the 2nd half of the season. In the two pivotal games versus Washington he didn't do a thing. He was outplayed by Dwayne Harris who had never taken a regular season snap at WR in the final month+ of last season.

Miles likely gets the same offer as Doug Free next year. Reduce that base without another big check or we release you.

I would have released Miles and Free this year post June 2nd. But Dallas needed the restructure for cap relief before the draft.

Well, you can make the argument that he has been overpaid but it really doesn't impact the problem. He's already been paid so what you have to deal with is what he will be paid from here on out. Who are you going to sign to be the other starting WR that will play for 3 or 4 million a year because that's what we are really talking about here. The restructure of his contract is basically spreading the 5.9 out over 3 years. That's basically 2 million a year that we are already on the hook for, regardless of if he is on the team or not. The Cowboys have no leverage with Austin to give him a play for less or your cut ultimatum. We can't afford to eat 6 million next season or 4 million the season after. The cap is not there and BTW, how did that whole play for less thing go with Free cause right now, it ain't looking real good. That aint gonna happen.

Heck, you can't even get a decent 3rd WR for 3 or 4 million a season.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Miles isn't cheap at 6m per year. He's barely doable. BARELY.
Again this a guy who who has 1 elite season in his entire career.
His success per target rate is low. His pure hands rating is low.
At one point Miles was a constant workout buddy of Romo. He was all potential but he was a cheap guy out of no where.

Now Miles is paid like a star WR. He simply hasn't earned that.

He was outplayed in 2011 by Laurent Robinson.
In 2012 he had 25 catches, 2 TDs and never broke 80 yards receiving the 2nd half of the season. In the two pivotal games versus Washington he didn't do a thing. He was outplayed by Dwayne Harris who had never taken a regular season snap at WR in the final month+ of last season.

Miles likely gets the same offer as Doug Free next year. Reduce that base without another big check or we release you.

I would have released Miles and Free this year post June 2nd. But Dallas needed the restructure for cap relief before the draft.

Everyone is so quick to throw away a 1000 yard receiver for a rookie who hasn't seen one snap in the NFL yet.. how interesting.

:laugh2:

 

[Mr_Bill]

Even if they could find a FA that is equal to Free (not better), I would prefer the FA because I don't really want a guy hanging around that had to take a massive pay cut and will have a bad attitude about it.

Speaking of bad attitude ... I was not too thrilled by the story that Free did not take to the technique changes the coaches asked him to make last season, and only complied after the Cowboys began playing Parnell. To me that reeks of a WKG.

If he does take the pay cut, I would allow him to compete in training camp and let things fall as they may.

Otherwise, if the cap allows, I would keep the bum on the roster at fourth string, not play him in any preseason games, then cut him in the final round just before the regular season starts. Good luck trying to find a decent contract after that. We could then roll the cap savings over into 2014 to offset the dead money from his contract.

 

[jterrell]

Everyone is so quick to throw away a 1000 yard receiver for a rookie who hasn't seen one snap in the NFL yet.. how interesting.

:laugh2:

a 1000 yard receiver twice in his career. last time was 2010.

but keep paying the guy 8m per for that.
he is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

a 1000 yard receiver twice in his career. last time was 2010.

but keep paying the guy 8m per for that.
he is laughing all the way to the bank.

He had 943 last year being the teams third option.. im going to go ahead and count that as close enough.

So since his breakout year, the only time he hasn't been a 1000 yard receiver is 2 seasons ago when he had all the hamstring problems and only played in 10 games.

Yea.. what a loser..

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

our salary cap situation is a disgrace.

how can we even be sweating about resigning sean lee and dez bryant.

young, great talent like that should be a given to resign with a market like dallas

 

[zekecowboy]

Salaries for 2014 are currently at 140 million. We are above right now for next year and we have not calculated in Sean Lee and Dez Bryant salary increase.

our salary cap situation is a disgrace.

how can we even be sweating about resigning sean lee and dez bryant.

young, great talent like that should be a given to resign with a market like dallas

 

[Eskimo]

Salaries for 2014 are currently at 140 million. We are above right now for next year and we have not calculated in Sean Lee and Dez Bryant salary increase.

Didn't Dez sign a 5-year deal list most rookie first rounders?

Lee will be a FA since he was a 2nd round pick and they usually get 4-year deals.

 

[CF74]

He had 943 last year being the teams third option.. im going to go ahead and count that as close enough.

So since his breakout year, the only time he hasn't been a 1000 yard receiver is 2 seasons ago when he had all the hamstring problems and only played in 10 games.

Yea.. what a loser..

That's pretty sad compared to what we are paying the guy.. Either he's a hi-priced decoy or he needs to step it up. I suspect the rook is going to force him to kick it up, I'm hoping we see the Miles Austin of old...

 

[jobberone]

The Free defenders keep pointing to his performance in the last 3 games.

Well consider this: he was getting plays off due to Parnell so he was fresher.

And just who was he up against in those last three games?

Anyone of real quality?

I haven't seen anyone defend him as much as point out stats and performance to those who just say he sucks without presenting any data etc. Anyone can bash a player without bringing anything objective to the table.

Who are you going to replace him with? Do you have any idea how any of the FAs actually play or how well Parnell plays and what his problems are? Why do the Cowboys want the player back if he takes a pay cut? What amount of pay cut are they wanting him to take? What happens if they can't sign a FA and Free takes a hike? You don't know any of those answers IMO.

This isn't a cut and dry problem about the tackle problem despite how easy it is to say Free sucks yada.

 

[CF74]

I haven't seen anyone defend him as much as point out stats and performance to those who just say he sucks without presenting any data etc. Anyone can bash a player without bringing anything objective to the table.

Who are you going to replace him with? Do you have any idea how any of the FAs actually play or how well Parnell plays and what his problems are? Why do the Cowboys want the player back if he takes a pay cut? What amount of pay cut are they wanting him to take? What happens if they can't sign a FA and Free takes a hike? You don't know any of those answers IMO.

This isn't a cut and dry problem about the tackle problem despite how easy it is to say Free sucks yada.

We need an O-line whisperer....