Sturm: Xs and Os - Lael Collins and Bad Stuff, too

[Sturm1310]

http://beta.sportsdaydfw.com/dallas...1/05/sturms-xs-os-lael-collins-highlight-reel

 

[Zordon]

Thanks sturm but we're a hockey town now.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

This is pretty much what I expected. There are guys open, but just like Weeden, we're almost instantly taking the easy throw. This time it's with a totally different QB that actually took chances and moved the ball well just a week before.

You'd be really hard pressed to convince me that these guys aren't being told repeatedly not to take any chances unless it's a wide open, easy throw.

 

[Seven]

WIDE open receivers......................wow.

Someone sucks. Sucks bad.

 

[khiladi]

But, what about Beasely? Why run him on REPEATED verticals if they are not even going to consider him - despite the coverage being inviting...

If its happening constantly, it begins to indicate more and more, the route tree play design of using other WRs as decoys. I don't know why people ignore this constantly, BUT QBs go through progressions..

WRs run their routes knowing where they are in the progression. The QB doesn't just flip the ball based on whose open at some spot in time, particularly in this TIMING-BASED offense.

And when plays breakdown, expectation is they can break free with a skill set that doesn't even suit them..

We could argue that Romo is not playing, and he would have made that throw, but since when did Romo attack the field with Beasley on long patterns...

Defenses the Cowboys also break down films, so they understand tendencies.

Like Sturm said, why are you repeatedly running Beasley vertically if your not going to use him.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

If its happening constantly, it begins to indicate more and more, the route tree play design of using other WRs as decoys.

And when plays breakdown, expectation is they can break free with a skill set that doesn't even suit them..

We could argue that Romo is not playing, and he would have made that throw, but since when did Romo attack the field with Beasley on long patterns..

Beasley running verticals on a regular basis is a fairly new development for this offense. So, no, with Romo we didn't really attack with Beasley on long patterns, but he didn't really run many long patterns before the last couple of weeks.

 

[khiladi]

Beasley running verticals on a regular basis is a fairly new development for this offense. So, no, with Romo we didn't really attack with Beasley on long patterns, but he didn't really run many long patterns before the last couple of weeks.

I'm note sure, but irrespective, why are they doing it now? It's not his specialty and he's never done it before and the offense has never shown any success in it, so they decide to try and run Beasley vertically and that too, with a QB that they specifically coach not to take chances?

Even with Romo here, and we have seen it in the past, when goes like Williams or Robinson got open, it was because of break-downs in coverage vertically, while Romo bought time with his feet.

If they are now doing this, this makes the coaches dumber than I already thought they were..

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I'm note sure, but irrespective, why are they doing it now? It's not his specialty and he's never done it before and the offense has never shown any success in it, so they decide to try and run Beasley vertically and that too, with a QB that they specifically coach not to take chances?


That would make the coaches dumber than I already thought they were..

The only thing I can guess is that they want him running his coverage out of the play and other, bigger, and easier to find receivers close by for the inevitable checkdown-happy, risk-averse, QB play we have going right now.

 

[khiladi]

That being said, Collins may be the closest thing to luck and good fortune for this organization, since us getting Romo that late.

 

[khiladi]

The only thing I can guess is that they want him running his coverage out of the play and other, bigger, and easier to find receivers close by for the inevitable checkdown-happy, risk-averse, QB play we have going right now.

Like I said, as a decoy... Which may explain his 'attitude' and lack of presence. They are effectively game-planning his usefulness out...

But once again, we have always had 'second WR issues' and WRs outside our number 1 not consistently stepping up. This is why I brought up the issue of Williams or Robinson getting open downfield, not via design many times but Romo's ability to keep things alive.

We need a radical shift in thought...

It's not like Tom Brady beat Seattle vertically in the SB either. They simply attacked the 4th CB on a bunch of short routes...

 

[khiladi]

That being said, Collins may be the closest thing to luck and good fortune for this organization, since us getting Romo that late.

I forgot to add Hardy to this as well. But it all depends if comes back and keeps himself focused and Goodell doesn't have an axe to grind against the Cowboys..

 

[xwalker]

http://beta.sportsdaydfw.com/dallas...1/05/sturms-xs-os-lael-collins-highlight-reel

I'm fairly certain that I saw that play with Free pulling a 3rd time where they did get the backside defender blocked but I don't recall the result of the play.

The 2 opportunities to Beasley looked like just standard throw by a quality NFL QB. The one with Williams in the end zone probably wasn't really that open. If Cassel turns his head that direction the DBs just needs to take a step back to make that very difficult throw.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Depressing. Collins almost saves it, but overall depressing.

 

[xwalker]

I'm note sure, but irrespective, why are they doing it now? It's not his specialty and he's never done it before and the offense has never shown any success in it, so they decide to try and run Beasley vertically and that too, with a QB that they specifically coach not to take chances?

Even with Romo here, and we have seen it in the past, when goes like Williams or Robinson got open, it was because of break-downs in coverage vertically, while Romo bought time with his feet.

If they are now doing this, this makes the coaches dumber than I already thought they were..

The play design got Beasley wide open for a potential huge gain twice in those Gifs. How is that possibly a bad thing?

People complain that the play calling needs improvement and then we see that the play design/call got Beasley wide open twice and it's a problem?

 

[mahoneybill]

That being said, Collins may be the closest thing to luck and good fortune for this organization, since us getting Romo that late.

And a reason to give major kudos to JJ for his role in influencing the signing.

 

[khiladi]

The play design got Beasley wide open for a potential huge gain twice in those Gifs. How is that possibly a bad thing?

People complain that the play calling needs improvement and then we see that the play design/call got Beasley wide open twice and it's a problem?

Did you even read what I wrote?

Considering we run a timing-based offense, that would natural imply our WRs are running based on some sort of designed progression.. This isn't street football...

Maybe Beasley was a decoy... Meaning Cassell was just reading his routes and by the time he would even look to Beasley, the protection could have broken down and so on...

I don't remember Romo ever throwing vertically to Beasley.. Suddenly we got routes to Beasley downfield with back-up scrubs per the defenders of play design, and we know our QBs can't throw them, but we do them anyway..

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I disagree with Sturm on the second throw. Williams didn't have a lot of room and it was from the far hashmark. I would feel more comfortable with Weeden making that throw, Cassel doesn't have the throwing acumen for it. Other than, nice job per usual.







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[dallasfan4lizife]

This is pretty much what I expected. There are guys open, but just like Weeden, we're almost instantly taking the easy throw. This time it's with a totally different QB that actually took chances and moved the ball well just a week before.

You'd be really hard pressed to convince me that these guys aren't being told repeatedly not to take any chances unless it's a wide open, easy throw.

Is there any doubt? Garrett coaches like he's scared spitless of taking chances. ANY risk is not in his game plan. Wasn't he a QB coach at one point? And the QB's are playing like absolute garbage under a vanilla offense he's the architect for? He's an empty suit.

 

[TonyRomo17]

This coaching staff doesnt make sense, they gameplan it safe when they are the underdogs ( this is where you must play agressively) and when they feel like they are superior team they go all in and stuff like the NYG games happen.

 

[xwalker]

Did you even read what I wrote?

Considering we run a timing-based offense, that would natural imply our WRs are running based on some sort of designed progression.. This isn't street football...

Maybe Beasley was a decoy... Meaning Cassell was just reading his routes and by the time he would even look to Beasley, the protection could have broken down and so on...

I don't remember Romo ever throwing vertically to Beasley.. Suddenly we got routes to Beasley downfield with back-up scrubs per the defenders of play design, and we know our QBs can't throw them, but we do them anyway..

Timing based offense is an over statement. They use some timing routes but that one the 1st read and not something they do an all snaps. Romo has talked about one of the things he does best is be able to make it to 4th "read". There is no timing on 2nd, 3rd or 4th reads.

Cassel was not under pressure on those plays where Beasley was open, IIRC.

Beasley not doing it in the past is part of the reason that he is getting open. Almost everyone wants the Cowboys to change things up from their predictable offense and when they do, you complain about it.

Any QB could make those throws to Beasley, even Cassel if he saw it and attempted it. Beasley was just too wide open for those to be difficult throws.