Sturm: Xs and Os - Lael Collins and Bad Stuff, too

[1fisher]

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Tony Romo would have eaten that team alive! Not a doubt in my mind. SMDH

 

[xwalker]

I disagree with Sturm on the second throw. Williams didn't have a lot of room and it was from the far hashmark. I would feel more comfortable with Weeden making that throw, Cassel doesn't have the throwing acumen for it. Other than, nice job per usual.







YR

Yes, Williams in the end zone was not really open. If Cassel turns his head in that direction the DB just step back to close down that space.

I think Sturm's point was that he might have been open but Cassel would never know because he never scanned the field.

I disagree about Weed making the throw. Do you remember the play where Witten was wide open down the seam and Weed could not get him the ball?

 

[Sydla]

I disagree with Sturm on the second throw. Williams didn't have a lot of room and it was from the far hashmark. I would feel more comfortable with Weeden making that throw, Cassel doesn't have the throwing acumen for it. Other than, nice job per usual.

Yeah that would have been an extremely tough throw to make.

 

[khiladi]

Timing based offense is an over statement. They use some timing routes but that one the 1st read and not something they do an all snaps. Romo has talked about one of the things he does best is be able to make it to 4th "read". There is no timing on 2nd, 3rd or 4th reads.

Cassel was not under pressure on those plays where Beasley was open, IIRC.

Beasley not doing it in the past is part of the reason that he is getting open. Almost everyone wants the Cowboys to change things up from their predictable offense and when they do, you complain about it.

Any QB could make those throws to Beasley, even Cassel if he saw it and attempted it. Beasley was just too wide open for those to be difficult throws.

So basically Romo covers up the inefficiencies of this offense, as I stated proves your point?

So now your telling me there is no progression for the QB to go through as it concerns his WR based on that statement of Romo? So if he means 4th read, that would naturally imply his fourth read was a specific guy in the offense, unless your trying to imply by read, Romo simply means he randomly draws a guy out of a hat..

Why not save yourself the time instead of writing nothing but convoluted explanation that are nothing but attempts to defend Garrett and all your past investment in trying to defend him..

So maybe the coaches should have Romo target Beasley if he gets so wide open, because a couple weeks ago and last season T Will couldn't get open and before that, Miles Austin and before that Roy Williams and before that Crayton...

 

[Sydla]

I will say it is somewhat bizarre that Cassel was so liberal with the football 7 days earlier and then in this game, he takes pretty much no risks at all with the ball.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, Williams in the end zone was not really open. If Cassel turns his head in that direction the DB just step back to close down that space.

I think Sturm's point was that he might have been open but Cassel would never know because he never scanned the field.

I disagree about Weed making the throw. Do you remember the play where Witten was wide open down the seam and Weed could not get him the ball?

I don't think Weeden automatically makes that throw. In fact, I wouldn't want him to attempt it.

But, in terms of likelihood of making that throw...Weeden has a far better chance than noodle arm Cassel.







YR

 

[Idgit]

I don't think Weeden automatically makes that throw. In fact, I wouldn't want him to attempt it.

But, in terms of likelihood of making that throw...Weeden has a far better chance than noodle arm Cassel.



YR

That's actually a throw Weeden could make fairly readily. Not a lot of arc needed and it relies on power and placement. If he could see the man coming open, which is the question.

I agree, though, that Cassel might struggle with that one. Tony, of course, would have nailed it fairly easily.

 

[khiladi]

I'm reading that of a guy is running wide open down the seams and a QB misses it, which shouldn't try it again, because one missed pass shows a trend that a guy can't be hit wide open down the seams?

Since when does rhythm ever enter the equation for a QB? I thought QBs also have to develop timing with WRs based on reps as well?

Why is anybody assuming QBs can't make basic throws at that level if they are in the NFL and the WR or TE is open?

Since when did we systematically attack down the seams with Romo either as an offense?

 

[Floatyworm]

Any play that has Doug Free pulling across the formation and trying to lead a back through the hole up into the 2nd level......needs to be scraped. I've seen paint dry faster....

 

[tyke1doe]

This is pretty much what I expected. There are guys open, but just like Weeden, we're almost instantly taking the easy throw. This time it's with a totally different QB that actually took chances and moved the ball well just a week before.

You'd be really hard pressed to convince me that these guys aren't being told repeatedly not to take any chances unless it's a wide open, easy throw.

In the first clip, Beasley is WIDE OPEN on the route down the seam. Even Tim Tebow completes that for a touchdown.
The safety was shading towards Dez. You put the ball in the area code, and Beasley walks into the endzone.

On the last series, Cassel doesn't even look Beasley's way. Nor does he consider looking towards Dez to look off Beasley. The Seahawks see his eyes and move directly towards Dez. A competent quarterback checks off Dez and throws the deep route to Beasley, who is WIDE OPEN!!!

I can't watch anymore. It's truly frustrating. I don't want to hear any more about our receivers not getting open. Our scrub backups can't get them the ball.

 

[khiladi]

In the first clip, Beasley is WIDE OPEN on the route down the seam. Even Tim Tebow completes that for a touchdown.
The safety was shading towards Dez. You put the ball in the area code, and Beasley walks into the endzone.

On the last series, Cassel doesn't even look Beasley's way. Nor does he consider looking towards Dez to look off Beasley. The Seahawks see his eyes and move directly towards Dez. A competent quarterback checks off Dez and throws the deep route to Beasley, who is WIDE OPEN!!!

I can't watch anymore. It's truly frustrating. I don't want to hear any more about our receivers not getting open. Our scrub backups can't get them the ball.

Last year, the same fans were blaming T Will for not getting open despite Romo playing QB, before that, Miles Austin and so on. Beasley himself was never thrown to downfield even with Romo as QB.

What makes you think he was a primary target in the progression, especially considering our historical trend? Maybe Beasley was used specifically as a decoy. For Beasley to catch it, he would have to expect the ball is coming. If Cassell just throws it, Beasley may have no clue based on play design. That's why announcers often speak about disconnects between WRs and QBs on specific plays.

On break downs, such as the Giants game, Cassell found T Will downfield on the sideline along with Street for the TD. That predicates the play broke down and Cassell would go to whoever was open.

It's clear the offense thought that with the return of Dez, the offense was going to improve... And the offense targeted him and he didn't make plays...

 

[tyke1doe]

On the bright side, you gotta love Collins. He carries Mebane 10 yards down field. After awhile guys are gonna start faking injuries to avoid going up against him.

 

[31smackdown]

I don't think any of these are as open as the situations were with Weeden. These are mostly deep passes, where the Safety is reading the QB and drifting towards that read. If Cassel throws to Beasely on those 3 plays or Dez on that deep cross in the end zone, there is a really good chance that it gets picked. Those are very small windows with Cassell's arm 30 yards down the field. Seattle has probably the best spacing and handoffs between secondary players that I've seen. That is what makes them as good as they are. There was no one open on the check down to McFadden within the time Cassell had to throw. They blitz the middle and he had to unload it before Witten was able to get to the top of his route, otherwise he was open. If he throws across the field to TWill it's probably a pick 6 the other way with 2 defenders in that zone.

I know people are trying to find glaring mistakes here, but outside of Aaron Rodgers I'm not sure many QB's could drive the ball with the velocity it needs to beat those coverages. Some QB minupulation of the Safety would also help, but that is what separates the Elite from the backups. If you want Cassel to take those shots, as he did on some occasion's, then you have to also expect some picks to go with any success. The checkdown is actually the best throw in most of these cases. I will say that I think they had some chances with TWill in single coverage on the outside that I wish they took some shots at against Cary Williams. A lot of the design was to clear them out though and let the dumpoff beat a LB in space. It was just bad execution in some cases and a few penalties and misses that put them behind the sticks again. They got a little too cute with 2 or 3 calls and it cost them because they were executed poorly.

 

[tyke1doe]

Last year, the same fans were blaming T Will for not getting open despite Romo playing QB, before that, Miles Austin and so on. Beasley himself was never thrown to downfield even with Romo as QB.

What makes you think he was a primary target in the progression, especially considering our historical trend? Maybe Beasley was used specifically as a decoy. For Beasley to catch it, he would have to expect the ball is coming. If Cassell just throws it, Beasley may have no clue based on play design. That's why announcers often speak about disconnects between WRs and QBs on specific plays.

On break downs, such as the Giants game, Cassell found T Will downfield on the sideline along with Street for the TD. That predicates the play broke down and Cassell would go to whoever was open.

It's clear the offense thought that with the return of Dez, the offense was going to improve... And the offense targeted him and he didn't make plays...

Please don't try to compare Romo with Cassel and Weeden.

Quarterbacks often miss the open man. But Romo makes many of those throws. He may miss a few, but his misses are few and far between compared to the passes he completes.

Cassel and Weeden miss the MAJORITY of those throws.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

This is pretty much what I expected. There are guys open, but just like Weeden, we're almost instantly taking the easy throw. This time it's with a totally different QB that actually took chances and moved the ball well just a week before.

You'd be really hard pressed to convince me that these guys aren't being told repeatedly not to take any chances unless it's a wide open, easy throw.

Which means they are being coached that way

 

[khiladi]

Please don't try to compare Romo with Cassel and Weeden.

Quarterbacks often miss the open man. But Romo makes many of those throws. He may miss a few, but his misses are few and far between compared to the passes he completes.

Cassel and Weeden miss the MAJORITY of those throws.

Do we throw them and miss them or not even make the throws, because you just said we supposedly have WRs running open free all day but we don't even go to them..

Last year, T Will supposedly couldn't get open and Beasley was never thrown to vertically, despite them being open..

Romo making a majority of those throws there when they are there, doesn't necessarily imply those throws are always there.. Those are different issues..

 

[sacase]

Ya'll are funny. QB's go through progressions. they already have an idea of where they are going with the ball before it is even snapped. Hell as a WR, they have a decent idea of they are getting the ball based on the defensive alignment. Also, WR routes are designed to compliment each other and pull coverages to certain areas. There are specific windows that QB are throwing to most of the time. For example, for that play to be a TD Cassell would have had to be looking in Beasley's direction as soon as he cleared the linebacker. Otherwise that throw is incomplete at best. Very tight window especially for a WR that is not your primary read. If Cassell's progression wasn't for Beasley when he hit that small window there it is a missed chance. People act like a QB can see the field like we do from the overhead shot. I would love to see the overhead shot with a helmet cam on the QB. Plus Beasley is like 4 feet tall and hard to see down field.

 

[RunDMC]

THREE guys wide open. THREE. That's eleven points left on the field at words.

WHY CASSEL? WHY?

Nobody is asking these bums to be great, but is it too much to ask that they hit the wide open reciever?

 

[tyke1doe]

Do we throw them and miss them or not even make the throws, because you just said we supposedly have WRs running open free all day but we don't even go to them..

No, I didn't say we have receivers open free all day. I said we have receivers who are open, and we're not getting them the ball.

Second, as to your question, you evaluate the situation. Why think about continuously going to Dez when he's double and triple covered? Why not consider going to Beasley? How does that NOT enter your thinking, especially if you're a starting quarterback?

Third, what would have been the harm going to Beasley on the last series? Okay, you throw an incompletion. Didn't that happen too by forcing the ball to Dez? Beasley is on the field for a reason, and if you're not going to throw him the ball, then get him out and put a faster decoy in.

Last year, T Will supposedly couldn't get open and Beasley was never thrown to vertically, despite them being open..

I don't know if I ever complained about TWill not getting open last year.

Romo making a majority of those throws there when they are there, doesn't necessarily imply those throws are always there.. Those are different issues..

I don't get your point. We're watching the tape and seeing guys run open. If Cassel and Weeden had the percentage of completions that Romo has, maybe we can let them not hitting open receivers slide. But 97 yards?

Sorry, but trying to use Romo as a comparison is a major fail.

 

[khiladi]

No, I didn't say we have receivers open free all day. I said we have receivers who are open, and we're not getting them the ball.

Second, as to your question, you evaluate the situation. Why think about continuously going to Dez when he's double and triple covered? Why not consider going to Beasley? How does that NOT enter your thinking, especially if you're a starting quarterback?

Third, what would have been the harm going to Beasley on the last series? Okay, you throw an incompletion. Didn't that happen too by forcing the ball to Dez? Beasley is on the field for a reason, and if you're not going to throw him the ball, then get him out and put a faster decoy in.



I don't know if I ever complained about TWill not getting open last year.



I don't get your point. We're watching the tape and seeing guys run open. If Cassel and Weeden had the percentage of completions that Romo has, maybe we can let them not hitting open receivers slide. But 97 yards?

Sorry, but trying to use Romo as a comparison is a major fail.

Because there is a progression tree and teams practice those plays as preparation for the game.

For a QB to go to Beasley as the first read, then he would have to communicate that to Beasley pre-snap via an audible and if the WRs are supposedly free all day without audibles then it is the responsibility of the coaches to move the WRs up in the progression, particularly for a guy just signed.

Beasley isn't going to know magically that Cassell is going to throw the ball to him so he should turn around. If he's the fourth progression, he's the fourth progression when he reaches a certain spot within the play design. That would necessitate Cassell has already gone through his other reads as well. And if everybody is going vertical, this also puts more pressure on the OL to hold up the fort.

The point is, it speaks to play-design.

My point about Romo is that he wasn't throwing to WRs all day downfield outside of Dez either. This speaks to a historical trend within this offense. Do you think that Beasley or T Will just started to get open vertically? Why have people always been complaining about our receivers outside Dez or TO throughout Garrett's history of they have supposedly been running around freely all day?

We are still running Garrett's playbook..