Sturm's McFadden breakdown

[Stash]

@stasheroo Randy Moss had 500 yards and 3 TD's his last year at the Raiders. His very next season he had 1500 yards and 23 TD's. Was that his fault or the Raiders? And please do not try to counter my argument with "You're comparing McFadden to Moss?" The point im making is that when you're on a garbage team it can infect you.

The point you're trying to make is an excuse. McFadden didn't have one bad season, he didn't have two bad seasons. He had seven bad seasons! While other running backs - in the same surroundings - clearly produced significantly better numbers.

Why was it that the offensive line was only to blame when it was McFadden not producing? Sturm's numbers clearly show that it was McFadden who failed.

The onus is on him to prove that his career won't be defined as the bust he currently is. I hope he does it, but I'm not obligated to believe he will. And the proven numbers reinforce my position.

 

[Jstopper]

The point you're trying to make is an excuse. McFadden didn't have one bad season, he didn't have two bad seasons. He had seven bad seasons! While other running backs - in the same surroundings - clearly produced significantly better numbers.

Why was it that the offensive line was only to blame when it was McFadden not producing? Sturm's numbers clearly show that it was McFadden who failed.

The onus is on him to prove that his career won't be defined as the bust he currently is. I hope he does it, but I'm not obligated to believe he will. And the proven numbers reinforce my position.

He has not had 7 bad seasons. He had 1700 total yards in 2010, and 1000 total yards in 2012. The offensive line was bad for every running back who had significant carries behind that line, not just McFadden like you're trying to say. Any running back that had bulk carries were not going to be successful behind that terrible line. I guess McFadden was supposed to block for himself as well as run.

 

[Longboysfan]

3rd down back. Get him in the open and he can get up field.
Willing pass blocker and check down.

 

[Jstopper]

The point you're trying to make is an excuse. McFadden didn't have one bad season, he didn't have two bad seasons. He had seven bad seasons! While other running backs - in the same surroundings - clearly produced significantly better numbers.

Why was it that the offensive line was only to blame when it was McFadden not producing? Sturm's numbers clearly show that it was McFadden who failed.

The onus is on him to prove that his career won't be defined as the bust he currently is. I hope he does it, but I'm not obligated to believe he will. And the proven numbers reinforce my position.

At this point we both have opposing viewpoints and there is no way to change the other's mind because the season hasn't started. We can address this again in a few months and then we will see who actually was right, same as us debating our record last year.

 

[Stash]

He has not had 7 bad seasons. He had 1700 total yards in 2010, and 1000 total yards in 2012. The offensive line was bad for every running back who had significant carries behind that line, not just McFadden like you're trying to say. Any running back that had bulk carries were not going to be successful behind that terrible line. I guess McFadden was supposed to block for himself as well as run.

But they didn't! And Sturm clearly showed that to anyone not covering their eyes to the truth, or still clinging to McFadden youtube highlights.

McFadden's numbers were terrible, while all others numbers together weren't. If the line was terrible, every running back they blocked for should have struggled. But that's clearly not the case.

Here's where you should cover your eyes again.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Randle will get his chance until his body cant hold up anymore.

I really don't understand that comment. He had over 2600 yards in 482 carries his last 2 years at OK St. as the lead dog. There is no reason he can't handle 15-17 carries a game at this level.

 

[Stash]

At this point we both have opposing viewpoints and there is no way to change the other's mind because the season hasn't started. We can address this again in a few months and then we will see who actually was right, same as us debating our record last year.

That sounds more than fair. For the record, I hope to be proven wrong because if I am, McFadden had a great year and that would only be beneficial to both him and the Cowboys.

 

[Jstopper]

But they didn't! And Sturm clearly showed that to anyone not covering their eyes to the truth, or still clinging to McFadden youtube highlights.

McFadden's numbers were terrible, while all others numbers together weren't. If the line was terrible, every running back they blocked for should have struggled. But that's clearly not the case.

Here's where you should cover your eyes again.

Sturm and you had all the numbers and facts in the world to backup why we would miss the playoffs and be a horrible team last year, and yet both of you still were wrong. I guess we'll see in a few months who was actually right. You can cover your eyes now

 

[Zimmy Lives]

At this point we both have opposing viewpoints and there is no way to change the other's mind because the season hasn't started. We can address this again in a few months and then we will see who actually was right, same as us debating our record last year.

Agreed. Arguing, not discussing, about the RB situation at this point is like trying to stop a charging rhino by throwing popcorn at it.

 

[mahoneybill]

Looks like Sturm is saying McFadden will be the 3rd down back-- so, maybe he's 1/3 of an answer in regards to replacing Murray?

Blocking , and receiving are probably what they will emphasize if he truly is the third down back

 

[xwalker]

At some point DMac had his part in his failures. It is not the fault of the Raiders entirely. The Raider excuse is wearing thin. It is not the Raiders that makes him go down so easily.

McFadden ran with power and often ran over defenders in the early years. The only real difference between 2014 and the early years was that he didn't try as hard to run through contact. I don't know if that was because he is tired of being injured or if he just didn't feel the drive to do more with the Raiders in a losing effort. He definitely CAN run with power. The question will be if he will and if he should. He really needs to stay healthy because he is by far the best pass blocking RB on the team and one of the better ones in the entire league. He is better than Murray as a blocker. Trying to run over people might not really be a good idea for him at this point even if he wants to do it. Murray ran to contact too often. There is really no need to try to run over a defender for 1 extra yard when you've already got a first down, but Murray would often do that. Emmitt made some comments a year or two ago about Murray needing to learn when enough is enough or he would never stay healthy.

 

[xwalker]

They prove what I already know just fine.

And yeah, other than McFadden, Oakland's run game looked pretty good.

No, if you use intellect instead of emotion, it proves nothing.

Sturm's attempt to use stats was terrible. I have a degree in Mathematics and I'm certain that his usage of the stats was flawed in terms of trying to group together multiple different RB's stats into 1 group for a larger sample size. RBs with less than 100 carries have meaningless ypc stats. Randle has a 6.7 ypc and Murray had a 4.7 ypc. Was Randle a better RB than Murray?

Even without the stats, you have to review the game footage yourself to really have a valid opinion. I've reviewed all of McFadden's games from 2014 and some from past years. For whatever reason, Sturm just cherry picked McFadden's runs to make Gifs of the bad ones. I could do the same thing with failed runs by DeMarco Murray in 2014.

There is no proof that McFadden was or was not the problem in Oakland.

You can run around and scream the sky is falling, but that does not mean that the sky is actually falling. It's just and emotional response.

 

[Stash]

No, if you use intellect instead of emotion, it proves nothing.

You keep telling yourself that. Maybe if you do it enough at least you will be lieve it.

Sturm's attempt to use stats was terrible. I have a degree in Mathematics and I'm certain that his usage of the stats was flawed in terms of trying to group together multiple different RB's stats into 1 group for a larger sample size.

Try as I might, I can't muster up the energy to care...

RBs with less than 100 carries have meaningless ypc stats. Randle has a 6.7 ypc and Murray had a 4.7 ypc. Was Randle a better RB than Murray?

If all, he had was that small of a sample size, I could see your point. But he had a sample of 370 carries to McFadden's 485.

Even without the stats, you have to review the game footage yourself to really have a valid opinion.

According to you perhaps, I'm busy playing this game called 'Life'. As soon as someone appoints you the guy who determines whose opinion is valid and whose isn't, you let me know. That will be the last day I'm seen here again.

I've reviewed all of McFadden's games from 2014 and some from past years. For whatever reason, Sturm just cherry picked McFadden's runs to make Gifs of the bad ones. I could do the same thing with failed runs by DeMarco Murray in 2014.

Maybe you should counter with youtube highlights?

There is no proof that McFadden was or was not the problem in Oakland.

No, just those 7 years that show he sure wasn't the answer.

You can run around and scream the sky is falling, but that does not mean that the sky is actually falling. It's just and emotional response.

And you can run around with your know-it-all, 'I'm smarter than everyone else' and 'mine is the only opinion that matters' attitude, but that sure doesn't make that true either.



And Parnell still sucks!

 

[bayeslife]

They prove what I already know just fine.

And yeah, other than McFadden, Oakland's run game looked pretty good.

Then why weren't they the number 1 rushing team in the league last year if their numbers were so good without him?

 

[jnday]

Rolando McClain. He even said it in his interviews, it drains a player when you play for the Raiders, they have a culture of not winning, and not caring about winning. laughing and smiling on the sidelines while they are getting blown out, not to mention the lack of talent. Best team he's been on with the Raiders were 8-8. Not to mention in 06 everybody and their mom thought Randy Moss was washed up. He went to the Patriots and him and Brady made history. So no the Raider excuse is not wearing thin.

If he allowed other players to drag him down to their level, he is as weak minded as he is injury prone . At his age there is no chance that he is going to stay healthy and regain his speed. He has lost a step over the years which is expected with all the injuries and age.

 

[Stash]

Then why weren't they the number 1 rushing team in the league last year if their numbers were so good without him?

Last I checked, McFadden was still there last year. Got any other poorly thought-out questions?

 

[bayeslife]

Last I checked, McFadden was still there last year. Got any other poorly thought-out questions?

He didn't start all games.

 

[xwalker]

I'm just here to give people information and filter out some of the media nonsense for people that don't have the time or desire to do it themselves.

According to you perhaps, I'm busy playing this game called 'Life'. As soon as someone appoints you the guy who determines whose opinion is valid and whose isn't, you let me know. That will be the last day I'm seen here again.

Would the Cowboys have an opinion on a draft pick if they had never watched his game footage?

It is not me deciding anything. It is common sense that if someone is going to evaluate a player they need to have seen that player play.

And you can run around with your know-it-all, 'I'm smarter than everyone else' and 'mine is the only opinion that matters' attitude, but that sure doesn't make that true either.

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone. I just think I'm smarter than you and a couple of knuckleheads that go around posting emotional nonsense that can't be backed up with facts.

And Parnell still sucks!

When all else fails take personal shots.

I said Parnell was good. Other people said he sucks and should be cut. In the end he got a contract that was over 2x Free's contract in total and guaranteed money.

FYI - I didn't watch McFadden on "youtube". There is something called game film also known as the All-22 which is what I use to review NFL players.

 

[Stash]

If he allowed other players to drag him down to their level, he is as weak minded as he is injury prone .

That was just what I was thinking when Moss, McClain, and McFadden were brought up and the culture of the Raiders was used as an excuse.

Strong players contribute to changing cultures like that, not fall in line with them.

If any of these guys allowed that culture to affect the way they performed, shame on them. And if that's the case, hopefully they will be the same followers - not leaders - that they were in Oakland and now follow good examples from the players on this team.

 

[Stash]

He didn't start all games.

So what? He started 12 of them and played in all 16! You should have put more thought into this before you asked.