Sudden death OT....

[Hook'em#11]

Take care of business in regulation and there is no need for OT.

Leave OT as it is. Stop babying these players more then they already do.

They both need to have a shot at the ball fairly in OT. No they don't, they need to get the ball back if they don't get it in the start of OT. If they don't , they lose.

Simple.

 

[Alexander]

Love sudden death and hate that college crap. If your defense can't stop them you don't deserve to win.

Absolutely.

There have been other OT games in the postseason, yet now suddenly there is a cry out to make it "fair"? Why?

Oh I understand now. It was because poor Brett Favre could not get a chance to win after throwing the game away in regulation. Got it.

 

[EPL0c0]

Love sudden death and hate that college crap. If your defense can't stop them you don't deserve to win.

I don't mind sudden death, but IMO, they should do away w/ FG kicking in OT. TD or nothing... that's the way it should be IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't mind sudden death, but IMO, they should do away w/ FG kicking in OT. TD or nothing... that's the way it should be IMO.

Not a bad thought and have heard others talk about that. I think the only sticking point will be with the guys who foot the bill and that is the networks. NFL has done as much as they can to keep the games around the 3 hour mark so I doubt they would go for the TD or nothing. Besides that because there is only 1 OT qrt in regular season I think we would see more ties which is something the NFL would like to avoid

 

[WV Cowboy]

You notice that one big word in there?? I'll bold it for you. Let's not play the "If" game please.

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The "if" game ???

If your team doesn't block, your QB can't pass
If your team doesn't block, your RB can't run.
If your team doesn't tackle the other team, they score on every play.


I could go on and on.

The "if" game, .. are you serious ??

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'd be in favor of both teams getting a possession, not necessarily the college rules.

I hate the rule. Not giving a team the oppurtunity to score is a big flaw.

Thats reasonable.

If this game and the end result doesnt initiate change by the NFL for overtime I don't know what will.

It is totally ridiculous that two teams fight to a tie for 60 mins to come down to possibly one team touching the ball in OT. The fact the two teams fought to a tie each team should be REWARDED an opportunity each in OT. And get rid of the damn coin all together. Put two footballs at the 50, each team puts one player at the goal line and they sprint to the ball. First one to it gets to decide if they kick or receive. At least you're putting physical skill on the field to dictate who receives and defends. Not a stupid coin chance.

Agreed. This is not soccer where you run around for 11 hours and then tie to win or lose on penalty kicks. They are screwed as soon as they step on the field.

 

[Seven]

Make the wining score 6 points. Meaning to win, you must to score 6 points. JMO...............................

 

[WV Cowboy]

Statistics show that winning the coin toss doesn't necessarily mean you win the game.

It is close to 50/50.

This morning I heard on the radio that there have been 4 Conference Championship games decided by OT.

Last nights was the first one where the team that won the toss won the game.

And last nights was the first where the Home team won.

So even if you lose the coin toss, and have to kick off, ... your special teams can pin them deep, your defense can either force a "3 and out" or at least stop them prior to them getting into FG range, and then your offense can go down and score.

Actually if you force a punt, your ST's might score even before your offense gets on the field.

All of this whining about your offense not getting a chance to score, ... tell your defense to dig in get a stop.

 

[Doomsday101]

Statistics show that winning the coin toss doesn't necessarily mean you win the game.

It is close to 50/50.

This morning I heard on the radio that there have been 4 Conference Championship games decided by OT.

Last nights was the first one where the team that won the toss won the game.

And last nights was the first where the Home team won.

So even if you lose the coin toss, and have to kick off, ... your special teams can pin them deep, your defense can either force a "3 and out" or at least stop them prior to them getting into FG range, and then your offense can go down and score.

Actually if you force a punt, your ST's might score even before your offense gets on the field.

All of this whining about your offense not getting a chance to score, ... tell your defense to dig in get a stop.

True, heck of the defense goes out and stops the offense 3 and out the chances of having good field position to start the drive is very good. Minn had their oppertunities to stop NO drives in OT and simply failed to do so.

 

[aikemirv]

If that happenned to the Cowboys and Romo had just thrown a pick when all he had to do was run for 10 yards and get the first down and great position to kick a FG for the win then I don't know how I would be able to complain about the OT rules.

In this case I don't know how it could be more fitting that NO gets the ball first in OT and goes down and scores.

Now if Favre got another chance right after that bonehead play I might feel different but so it goes......

The rule is fine - Vikings stopped them many times last night and then they gave up a long KR and did not play defense well enough and lost - so be it!

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

People complaining about the NFL's sudden death OT always act like the team that gets the ball first in OT wins every time, when it's not even close. It's pretty much still 50/50. Even if your team is not that great of a defensive team, they're still going to force the other team to punt once in a while, and if you can't do that in the biggest moment of the game, you go home.

It's not like you luck into overtime. If you couldn't outright beat the other team in regulation, you don't deserve any favors in OT.

 

[amuze]

Absolutely.

There have been other OT games in the postseason, yet now suddenly there is a cry out to make it "fair"? Why?

Oh I understand now. It was because poor Brett Favre could not get a chance to win after throwing the game away in regulation. Got it.

You couldn't be more wrong. I don't give a rat's *** about Favre. In fact, I wanted him to stay retired so bad (twice).

The game of football is supposed to be about equals and earning your keep. If you get the ball 1st in the 1st half, then you give the ball 1st in the 2nd half. If you finish with a better record than your playoff opponent in the regular season, then you host the game, etc.

Someone just posted a stat showing a 60% winning percentage (years 2000-2007 in 124 games) for teams getting the ball 1st in OT. That is a HUGE advantage. That is a 20% freebie just for winning a coin toss. Ridiculous. Not 51% vs 49%, which in itself shows an unbalanced rule albeit a small unbalance.

 

[amuze]

One more chunk of information to digest:

29% of the time the team that wins the toss drives down and scores without the other team touching the ball. Overall, however, the coin toss winner only wins 52% of the time. It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.

No, I am not a Favre fanboi. I can't stand the guy in the least. I simply feel there is a flaw in the system. I'm sure more people would "agree" with me if our beloved Cowboys lost to the Saints in the same manner, but we'll never know.

 

[Doomsday101]

You couldn't be more wrong. I don't give a rat's *** about Favre. In fact, I wanted him to stay retired so bad (twice).

The game of football is supposed to be about equals and earning your keep. If you get the ball 1st in the 1st half, then you give the ball 1st in the 2nd half. If you finish with a better record than your playoff opponent in the regular season, then you host the game, etc.

Someone just posted a stat showing a 60% winning percentage (years 2000-2007 in 124 games) for teams getting the ball 1st in OT. That is a HUGE advantage. That is a 20% freebie just for winning a coin toss. Ridiculous. Not 51% vs 49%, which in itself shows an unbalanced rule albeit a small unbalance.

That stat is misleading the winner of the coin toss is 60% but not 60% with the opening drive. They count as part of that 60% the team going on to win but it could be the 2nd or 3rd drive before they win. On opening series it is 51% to 49%

 

[Danny White]

It would be so easy to fix the NFL overtime. Keep it essentially the same, but add in a stipulation that each team must have a chance to touch the ball offensively at least once.

So if you get the ball first and score, then you have to kick off and the other team has a chance to tie or win.

If you punt on your first possession, then once the other team takes possession of the ball, then it's sudden death from that point on.

It'd also make it much more interesting, because you'd have fewer teams trying to settle for a field goal on their first possession, knowing that the other team may score a TD to beat them.

 

[DFWJC]

*yawn* I thought it was a team game.

What if the Saints defense couldn't stop them either? Then they wouldn't deserve to win....but we'll never know will we?

Exactly....a game should not be determined by a coin toss. And if two teams have great offenses, that is generally what happens in the NFL. It is a really horrible rule.

But the college football OT sux too....it's the opposite extreme.

 

[DFWJC]

It would be so easy to fix the NFL overtime. Keep it essentially the same, but add in a stipulation that each team must have a chance to touch the ball offensively at least once.

So if you get the ball first and score, then you have to kick off and the other team has a chance to tie or win.

If you punt on your first possession, then once the other team takes possession of the ball, then it's sudden death from that point on.

It'd also make it much more interesting, because you'd have fewer teams trying to settle for a field goal on their first possession, knowing that the other team may score a TD to beat them.

That's it...it seems easy enough.

 

[Cowboys22]

It'd also make it much more interesting, because you'd have fewer teams trying to settle for a field goal on their first possession, knowing that the other team may score a TD to beat them.

This is why your proposal will not work and will be deemed just as unfair. The advantage immediately shifts to the team that gets the ball 2nd because they will get 4 downs to move the ball and score should they need them.

To make overtime fair, you simply need to play a 5th quarter. You can shorten the time to 8-10 minutes and just play it normally. This is what basketball does and noone has ever complained about it being unfair. Just keep playing 8 minute quarters until someone is ahead when the clock hits 0:00. I don't see why people try and come up with fancy overtime rules that make overtime different from the regular game. I say just simply keep playing under the same exact rules until someone has won. It's just that simple to me.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is why your proposal will not work and will be deemed just as unfair. The advantage immediately shifts to the team that gets the ball 2nd because they will get 4 downs to move the ball and score should they need them.

To make overtime fair, you simply need to play a 5th quarter. You can shorten the time to 8-10 minutes and just play it normally. This is what basketball does and noone has ever complained about it being unfair. Just keep playing 8 minute quarters until someone is ahead when the clock hits 0:00. I don't see why people try and come up with fancy overtime rules that make overtime different from the regular game. I say just simply keep playing under the same exact rules until someone has won. It's just that simple to me.

League is just not going to do that. Networks pay big money to the league we are talking over a billion dollar contract they do not want these games lasting 4 hours. Right now as it is if you go out and stop the other team you get the ball with the chance of winning. Defense gets paid just like the offense if they do their job then they can produce field position or even get a turnover to win the game

 

[tecolote]

How about this, team A wins the toss.

If team A scores a td in their first possesion, the game is over, team A wins.

If team A scores a fg, team B gets the ball on a normal kickoff to get a chance to score a td to win the game or a fg to tie and go to sudden death, first score of any type wins the game, if team B does not score in this possesion, team A wins.

If team A fails to score on their opening possesion, sudden death, any score wins it.