Suisham? Really?

[Spectre]

okay.
apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

I'll have to link to this thread when we lose a playoff game by a missed FG.

 

[Reality]

okay.
apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

I'll have to link to this thread when we lose a playoff game by a missed FG.

So, we not only have countless "I told you so" posts already, but we now also have "I'm going wait until I am eventually right and then tell you 'I told you so'" posts..

Good job! +1 FTW!!

-Reality

 

[Doomsday101]

I miss the Folk from that Bills game a few years back.. shame.

While I think we need to look to someone else for the remainder of the season I do hope we can bring Folk into camp with us next year and have him compete for a job. I think he is a quality kicker who is going through a tough stretch right now. The guy has been money for us over the past 2 years and I think he will get things going again

 

[Doomsday101]

okay.
apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

I'll have to link to this thread when we lose a playoff game by a missed FG.

If Folk stays and continues to miss it could cost us a playoff game.,


Right now when looking at both from 40 to 49 yards out Suisham is 5-5 while Folk has only hit 5 of 12.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

okay.
apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

I'll have to link to this thread when we lose a playoff game by a missed FG.

Seriously Dude...that is about childish...no not about it is.

There are not a plethora of good kickers out there just waiting to be signed by a team nor do I imagine that most teams would be willing to give a good draft pick for someone else's kicker.

So instead you complain about it and then have the gall to say....oh I will link back to this thread to show you guys.

Seriously!?!

Good grief, that is all we need is another arrogant ego to bump an old thread or link to an old thread so they can thump their chests but never give a viable option in the thread they plan on linking to in the first place.

 

[iceberg]

okay.
apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

I'll have to link to this thread when we lose a playoff game by a missed FG.

so what if folk is still the kicker and we win?

still gonna link?

why don't you say "so everyone else has a valid opinion and i'm just whining, but i'll find a purpose for this thread, one day, if it all goes the one way it would have to, maybe, if i'm right...

the only people who tag things in case of an "i told you so" experience are those who so seldom get it right i now want squishy back more than ever.

 

[Spectre]

calm down Suisham Fan Club.

I wasn't being anywhere near as serious as some of you seem to be.

I'm just amazed at the level of comfort and security EVERY responder in this thread feels in Suisham.

Maybe it's the fact that I live in Skins country and have had to listen to the gripes about him all season from Washington fans the same way we have griped about Folk.

Sometimes change isn't good just for change sake. This move is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, IMO. Replacing our problem with someone else's. I just know that FG kickers are a necessary component to winning in the postseason and I, for one, am not comfortable resting our hopes on the one we already cut who then went on to be cut again by a losing team.


As for the "link" comment... you guys all sound like a bunch of sour individuals who get proved wrong often and can't swallow the fact so you attempt to ridicule the idea of being called out for your incorrectness. This entire thread is an attempt to call me out and make me look foolish... therefor, you've invited me to remind you of it when/if you're proved wrong in the end. Fair is fair. If you have a problem with it then you shouldn't attempt to ridicule one's opinion that was stated merely for the purpose of discussion, to begin with.

 

[iceberg]

calm down Suisham Fan Club.

I wasn't being anywhere near as serious as some of you seem to be.

I'm just amazed at the level of comfort and security EVERY responder in this thread feels in Suisham.

Maybe it's the fact that I live in Skins country and have had to listen to the gripes about him all season from Washington fans the same way we have griped about Folk.

Sometimes change isn't good just for change sake. This move is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, IMO. Replacing our problem with someone else's. I just know that FG kickers are a necessary component to winning in the postseason and I, for one, am not comfortable resting our hopes on the one we already cut who then went on to be cut again by a losing team.


As for the "link" comment... you guys all sound like a bunch of sour individuals who get proved wrong often and can't swallow the fact so you attempt to ridicule the idea of being called out for your incorrectness. This entire thread is an attempt to call me out and make me look foolish... therefor, you've invited me to remind you of it when/if you're proved wrong in the end. Fair is fair. If you have a problem with it then you shouldn't attempt to ridicule one's opinion that was stated merely for the purpose of discussion, to begin with.

you sound 12.

funny you won't provide a link to back up what you say but you'll damn sure point to it IF you got it right. : )

 

[Spectre]

you sound 12.

funny you won't provide a link to back up what you say but you'll damn sure point to it IF you got it right. : )

I'm sorry...
what was it that I said originally that called for a link, again?

Was it the "Why are we working this guy out?" part or was it "the Skins cut him" portion of the OP?
Should I provide a link to something because my opinion was Suisham is not a reliable Kicker?
Would that make it more valid?
Okay.
Here you go.
http://img94.*************/img94/990/suisham.jpg


I don't recall saying anything originally that warranted such a ridiculous response but I guess someone's angry because Extenze wasn't able to deliver on it's promise.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

calm down Suisham Fan Club.

I wasn't being anywhere near as serious as some of you seem to be.

I'm just amazed at the level of comfort and security EVERY responder in this thread feels in Suisham.

Fan Club? Level of Comfort and security EVERY responder in this thread feels?

What kind of world are you living in. I don't see many fans of his in this thread nor do I see a level of comfort or security from EVERY responder in this thread like you seem to indicate.

They just realize when the current kicker we have is so bad that it makes the other kicker look better and the stats back that up.

Maybe it's the fact that I live in Skins country and have had to listen to the gripes about him all season from Washington fans the same way we have griped about Folk.

Sometimes change isn't good just for change sake. This move is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, IMO. Replacing our problem with someone else's. I just know that FG kickers are a necessary component to winning in the postseason and I, for one, am not comfortable resting our hopes on the one we already cut who then went on to be cut again by a losing team.

When Jerry has lasted this long with folk hoping he comes out of a funk, that is saying a great deal about what needs to be changed. When the guy is on the sidelines during that drive and the camera flashes to him and he has the look of fear in his body language...it is time for a change. It is not change for the sake of change, it is change for the sake of hoping the new kicker can do better and team can have even the slightest bit of hope that getting into position can result in a FG.

As for the "link" comment... you guys all sound like a bunch of sour individuals who get proved wrong often and can't swallow the fact so you attempt to ridicule the idea of being called out for your incorrectness. This entire thread is an attempt to call me out and make me look foolish... therefor, you've invited me to remind you of it when/if you're proved wrong in the end. Fair is fair. If you have a problem with it then you shouldn't attempt to ridicule one's opinion that was stated merely for the purpose of discussion, to begin with.

Sour individuals? You claim to go later and pull a link back up to thump your chest and you are talking about Sour Individuals? Seriously?!

Your Original Post was topic for discussion and people were discussing it however your follow up about linking back because people did not agree with you. Discussing means people can have opposite views as yours, not that it has to be the same view.

However it was not for the purpose of discussion to pull that lame line about pulling up the link later, it was for the topic of giving yourself an out to be a chest thumping I told you so mentality that has grown far too rampant on this board. Only that logic, concerning folk vs this kicker is still lame because there is no indication that Folk would be better, actually all indications and stats for this season would say that Folk would not be better, he would be worse.

Here is a funny question, would you call yourself out later if we kept Folk and he screwed up on some FGs and cost us some games down the road? I seriously doubt you would.

 

[iceberg]

Here is a funny question, would you call yourself out later if we kept Folk and he screwed up on some FGs and cost us some games down the road? I seriously doubt you would.

gonna take him 30 minutes just to figure out what you asked, bp.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

gonna take him 30 minutes just to figure out what you asked, bp.

I don't care about the original post. It was a question and people answered his question with their opinions.

But that whole lame thing about linking back to a thread because he did not like that their opinions did not match his and then later to say we are all fans of the other kicker and that EVERY person responded this or that way is just ludicrous and nothing more than some guy getting buttsore and acting silly.

 

[Spectre]

Here is a funny question, would you call yourself out later if we kept Folk and he screwed up on some FGs and cost us some games down the road? I seriously doubt you would.

Actually, I never said anything about keeping Folk. Apparently that's the conclusion every one jumped to which probably explains why they were so quick to bark.

Folk needs to go.
I was attempting to discuss other options that may be available instead of Suisham. I wonder how that changes the responders' tone?

 

[Bleu Star]

Why are we working this guy out?
Don't they realize the Skins cut him for the same reason we want to replace Folk?
He missed the gamewinner against the Saints in Washington.

What's the point?

Suisham > a mentally challenged Folk

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Actually, I never said anything about keeping Folk. Apparently that's the conclusion every one jumped to which probably explains why they were so quick to bark.

Folk needs to go.
I was attempting to discuss other options that may be available instead of Suisham. I wonder how that changes the responders' tone?

:laugh1: My very first post in your thread is as follows...

Not exactly a treasure trove of pro-bowl kickers without flaws out there to choose from...because if they were flaw free they would not be out there right now.

So you give another guy a shot that might miss a FG or two vs the guy on the team right now that misses more than a few.

Not rocket surgery...yes I meant to type that.

I made that point in my first post in your thread. I did not narrow it down to one kicker but at this point they are all about the same. They are FA kickers who have lost their jobs. You can take his name out of it and replace it with Elam or one of the other kickers they brought in and you would still have similar type of quality of players. All released because they did not pan out on their team. So it is basically a FA vs Folk when you boil it all down.

So it is still back to you wanting to link back to a thread because nobody agreed with your rants.:laugh1:

 

[03EBZ06]

As stated, there isn't much of options out there this late in the season. In my mind, Suisham is best available choice right now.

I'm sure most of you saw horrible pre-game practice FG attempts by Folk, it was like watching a 30-handicapper on the practice range, snap hooks, major slices and can't figure out why or don't know how to eliminate severe hooks and slices, it was that bad and I can't see Suisham being worse than what Folk was doing with practice attempts.

 

[PJDallasfan]

Just read on DallasCowboys.com that we just released Folk and signed Suisham. I have no problem with this, I like everyone else was hoping that they would put Folk on IR and see what happens next year. But to get back to Suisham he has made 18 of 21 where Folk for some unknown reason has just been down right terrible. Hopefully Suisham is the answer for the rest of this season as we march towards the Superbowl.


Cowboys for life!:starspin

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well when you go back and edit your original post to state that you don't mean to keep folk, then retort in response to my post that you did not mean folk...maybe you also need to go back and edit the following post you made...

apparently everyone considers Suisham an improvement and thinks he's an upgrade.

Or can I ask you a question...an improvement and upgrade over Who exactly if you are not talking about folk? Do you mean an improvement and upgrade over any other FA that was not on the team? Would they not have to be on the team to be an improvement and upgrade?

:laugh1:

 

[Reality]

Actually, I never said anything about keeping Folk. Apparently that's the conclusion every one jumped to which probably explains why they were so quick to bark.

Folk needs to go.
I was attempting to discuss other options that may be available instead of Suisham. I wonder how that changes the responders' tone?

Very few people are on the Suisham bandwagon. There are no sure-thing kickers available right now. I like Folk and I said back in preseason that he did not look right with his kicking mechanics. To me, hip surgery for a kicker is likely to be the same as a receiver or running back coming back from ACL surgery .. they usually need a full season to return 100%.

I hope they put Folk on IR and bring him back into camp next year .. I just hope if/when they do, they also bring in competition.

For now, we need an upgrade and Suisham is an upgrade over Folk. I will not have great confidence in him but anything is better than the current version of Folk.

-Reality

 

[Bleu Star]

I keep thinking of that video of Folk warming up that they were showing just before he shanked that chip shot in the Saints game. That didn't appear to be NFL level kicker practice. I almost hurled at the practice tape they showed and didn't even watch the actual kick.... Couldn't do it. Hell, any of us could have gotten out there and put up the same practice film. So, although he clearly has some sort of mental block, now is not the time to figure it all out. Perhaps no one will come knocking on his door and we can give him another chance next year.