Supplemental Draft News

[silverbear]

Not sure where I saw the blurb, but apparently Canty has talked him up. There was a quote about how he's one of the most athletic and talented LB he's ever seen or something to that effect. I'd have to dig to find it, but it was in some article about Brooks.

I saw the same article, milady... like you, I can't remember where just now, but I know I saw it...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Brooks has been arrested for having marijuanna in his car. Then he failed a drug test in January which originally led to stories of him being dismissed from the team. Then Groh and the AD took him back again, and then he reportedly failed another drug test for marijuanna a few weeks later that lead to a public dismissal. So the fact that this guy can't put the weed down with the consequences staring him right in the face leads me to believe this is a guy with a problem, and you're probably looking an Ontarrio Smith or Ricky Williams type of character. I don't see Groh giving Parcells a glowing recommendation, because he was pretty adament in a press conference when he announced Brooks leaving the team that no player should holdback an entire team, no matter how talented he is.


But if you can get him for a 3rd or so, you might have to just debate whether its worth it and just hope you can get 5 solid years out of him before he's out of the league, because he is wildly talented. And his skillset fills a huge need for the Cowboys. He's a freak when it comes to dropping back and covering TEs (when he's in shape), and the Cowboys need a nickel pass coverage LB since losing Dat.

 

[FiveTime]

Yeah, I think Berryman won some award his freshman year then assaulted another student, stole $3 or $4 and a cell phone which led to his dismissal and like 15 months in jail. When released he was allowed to return to the team then charged w/ being in a bar under the legal age this last winter and was released again. There were also supposed non reported occurences. If Dan McArney wasn't terribly desparate for a few wins he would not have gotten the second chance.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

People say that about Manuel Wright too (going 2nd or 3rd) -- where'd he go?

I think the 5th is where he goes too

 

[Alexander]

People say that about Manuel Wright too (going 2nd or 3rd) -- where'd he go?

Wright was never as talented as Brooks. That inflated round projection was an overreaction to the Trojans winning the championship. A fifth round choice is what he was worth.

Brooks might not command a high choice, but you could argue his production at times has warranted it, even if his circumstances haven't.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Brooks might not command a high choice, but you could argue his production at times has warranted it, even if his circumstances haven't.

Brook's talent definitely warrants higher than a 5th round choice, but his much recent past isn't going to field him one, think about it, take for instance the Canty trade, how we were initially out of a 4th round pick, would you be just as happy next year's draft if we spent that 2nd or 3rd on Brooks, and he gets kicked off the team for smoking pot again? that's what alot of teams are goign to be thinking about

 

[burmafrd]

We don't need him enough to take another chance on another thug.

 

[Alexander]

Brook's talent definitely warrants higher than a 5th round choice, but his much recent past isn't going to field him one, think about it, take for instance the Canty trade, how we were initially out of a 4th round pick, would you be just as happy next year's draft if we spent that 2nd or 3rd on Brooks, and he gets kicked off the team for smoking pot again? that's what alot of teams are goign to be thinking about

Well, I am not saying we will. But someone else might.

Look at Claude Wroten. He got busted before the draft with pot in his car AND tested positive in the Combine and he was a first day choice.

Some team like the Raiders (who need LBers badly), Bengals or Rams would take a chance long before we would, I am sure.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Some team like the Raiders (who need LBers badly), Bengals or Rams would take a chance long before we would, I am sure.

you're right, I didn't think about the desperate teams :laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, I am not saying we will. But someone else might.

I think that the strategy that most teams use is to ask "where would this guy be a bargain" -- To me, he's not a bargain in round 1-4. You get into 5 or 6 and then he is worth the risk.

Of course you sometimes get stupid teams (e.g., Texans) falling in love with someone and taking him way too early.

 

[dbair1967]

Bradie James right now is better than Ahmad Brooks and isnt a thug loser...we just signed Ayodele to a decent long term contract

Brooks has no spot on this team and wouldnt beat out either of the guys above...not to mention we dont have to worry about James or Ayodele having to join other pot heads like Q Bong, Ricky or Onterrio Smith in the Canadian Bong League

Brooks is a waste of time...I have no idea why so many of you are all over this guys jock...if he werent a pot head trouble maker who was massively overweight and played poorly last yr I might could see the enfatuation, but since that isnt the case, I just dont get it

we have no need whatsoever for this guy

David

 

[AbeBeta]

Brooks has no spot on this team and wouldnt beat out either of the guys above...not to mention we dont have to worry about James or Ayodele having to join other pot heads like Q Bong, Ricky or Onterrio Smith in the Canadian Bong League

Smoking a little grass doesn't make you a "pothead" and it doesn't mean you can't put it down.

Geez David -- didn't you go to college? That's a time for folks to do drugs and all kinds of crazy stuff.

 

[Jarv]

Any good young WR's coming out for this draft ?

 

[dbair1967]

Smoking a little grass doesn't make you a "pothead" and it doesn't mean you can't put it down.

Geez David -- didn't you go to college? That's a time for folks to do drugs and all kinds of crazy stuff.

yeah I did go to college...also played college sports and we laid off the drugs and even the alcohol...it was called commitment and following rules

Brooks has no commitment and doesnt follow rules

he's a loser

David

 

[InmanRoshi]

Smoking a little grass doesn't make you a "pothead" and it doesn't mean you can't put it down.

Geez David -- didn't you go to college? That's a time for folks to do drugs and all kinds of crazy stuff.

That's what people said about Ontarrio Smith.

I think most college athletes manage to make it through college without being arrested for possession. Nor do most college athletes get kicked off their team for repeatedly failing drug tests, even after they've been given chance after chance after chance. I don't think that's "normal college stuff" by any means.

 

[Dat Dude]

Brooks is a stud when he is in shape no matter what character issues the guy has. Sure he is/was overweight and might lack some judgement/descision making skills, but the guy can play. At some point in time ALL of us lacked some common sense and hopefully we learned from those mistakes..

I am a believer in second chances ESPECIALLY in 6'3 260 pound MLB's that run 4.5's. YOU can never have enough LB's and even though Akin WILL be Solid, and Bradie is the anchor of our D, I wouldnt cringe if his name was called in third round. The guy has first round talent with a 1oth grade brain.

But this guy will be gone by the time we pick. The Bungles will surely pick him. The took a chance on Odell and even AJ Nicholsan this year. Marvin is said to have wanting to run a 3-4 with Pollack, Odell and AJ.

Oh well while people hate on him for making poor choices, he is worth risk, better than those bums Peterman, Ross and Rogers....(talent wise) but then again could turn out like Ross with 20 lbs of herb and in federal jail.

Oh well I'd do it...

 

[big dog cowboy]

Some team like the Raiders (who need LBers badly), Bengals or Rams would take a chance long before we would, I am sure.

That is exactly why I don't think he will be a Cowboy.

 

[Bizwah]

Guess I'll weigh in (no pun intended).

No to Brooks....No, no, no, no........Not unless he's there in the 7th. Definitely wouldn't waste a first day pick on him.

I've heard that he would've been a top 15 pick in the 2005 NFL Draft. That may be true. But he certainly wouldn't even had been drafted in this year's draft. Quincy Carter was once touted as the top prospect in college football.

Here's a guy that couldn't control his weight, couldnt' lay off the weed, and reportedly had run ins with his coach. Yeah, sounds like a winner to me.

And I've gotta agree with Roshi and Dblair. Not everyone that goes to college is a beer swilling moron or pothead. Many of us went to college and didn't do those things. Maybe it was because I paid my own way through college, but I actually went to learn.

All college athletes have to do is follow the rules.....and the rules aren't difficult....maybe the GPA can be difficult, but it's certainly not hard to not drink, smoke weed, stay out of fights, not rape people etc. They aren't asked to do anything unfair. It's all about discipline....are they willing to sacrifice for their team? Obviously Brooks wasn't.

Now, he has enough potential to take a look in the later rounds. But no way is he the same prospect he was two years ago. I'm all for redemption, but that doesn't mean you throw caution into the wind and make a foolish decision.

 

[Eskimo]

I agree with both sides on this issue.

His actions clearly demonstrate that he is undisciplined, immature and has poor judgement. He will be a risk to any team that signs him given his inability to lay off controlled substances.

His football play demonstrated that he is a superior athlete with the potential to be an impact ILB in a 3-4 defense.

I do think someone will spend a first day pick on him but I doubt that team is us given BP and Ireland's MO on high character players. If they decide to spend a 3rd rounder on him, I would not fault them for it - this is a boom/bust type pick and a potential impact defender who could take this team far if he plays up to his potential (Ware, Carpenter, James, Brooks, Ayodele and Burnett is a heck of a LB crew). If they decide to pass on him altogether, I also would not fault them for it.

I would however strongly suggest that no first or second round picks be spent on him - those guys are supposed to be starters.

 

[AbeBeta]

Brooks has no commitment and doesnt follow rules

he's a loser

David

I'm not ready to go that far.

There are many players who got fat during their college careers -- Rob Petitti for one -- who showed they could turn that around easily. His draft status went from 2nd or 3rd rounder to 6th rounder b/c he got fat. He gets to Dallas and turns out to have a fantastic attitude and work ethic.

Warren Sapp was rumored to have failed 7 drug tests at Miami and has admitted to multiple positive tests (as a freshman and at the combine) -- never had a problem in the NFL with it.

Again, I'm not saying use a first day pick on the kid but I would go 6th or even 5th rounder with him -- His talent is too strong to ignore - the Groh-Parcells link ensures that we will get excellent information on the kid.