Suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders?

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So, I was posting in a thread, and someone mentioned about Shadeur Sanders. I've been heavily on the record wanting Jeanty. That said, suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders? So, for this thread, I will explore two ways that I could see us going about this.

As I've stated before, Dak's contract (assuming no restructures) would have to be examined. The below link is the details of his contract. There is a tab when looking at his cap hits for "post-June cut".

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

To me, as I've stated in other threads that I've written, the most optimal times to make Dak a post June 1 cut are 2026 ($40,010,000.00 in cap savings and a $27,686,666.00 cap hit)or 2027 ($45,000,000.00 cap savings and a $16,691,666.00 cap hit).

Before I layout my two scenarios, I must explain why I wouldn't just have Shadeur takeover to start 2025. This offense is far too one dimensional, and, given Dak's contract, we have the luxury of letting a QB sit for a season or two like the Packers did with Love or the Chiefs did with Mahomes. So, it would be better to let him sit a season or two under Dak while he learns the pro game. So, I will present the scenario for him taking over in 2026 (Dak cut in June that year) and 2027 (Dak cut in June that year). I will then, after analysing the two scenarios, provide what I think is the best scenario.

The next thing, before I get into the scenarios, is to look at the most optimal draft (will dive into this more after the SB). Assuming we first draft Sanders, I would then draft Dion Walker (NT Kentucky) or Nazir Stackhouse (NT Georgia) in round 2 and go oline round 3. I'm thinking someone like Xavier Truss (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Truss). He's 6'7". Unfortunately, this is where having a 4th round pick would be helpful, but hopefully Mingo can step in as a good receiver aside from Lamb. The running backs in this draft class after round 4 (from what I see on Walter Football) don't look very appealing. Additionally, we probably would still have another year or two to get the team ready. Plus, this is assuming we don't restructure Dak, so we are eating a cap hit here. Luckily, cutting Terrance Steele with a June 1 cut in 2025 should save some cap space. However, I think the savings would go to a new contract for Parsons. Unfortunately, I also don't like our safeties if we don't spend on FA entering 2025. On the other hand, the starting oline would probably be (assuming Martin retires) Tyler Smith, Bass, Beebe, Truss (RG), and Guyton (RT, his natural position). Obviously, Dak would start the entirety (assuming healthy) of 2025 and we'd probably want someone like Lance or another backup in the wings until Sanders is ready. Oh, and DLaw will be gone, and I don't think we have enough draft space for another pass rusher in 2025. Luckily, we have Kneeland.

So, now, let's suppose we cut Dak in 2026 for scenario 1. We'd have a dead hit of $27 mil and cap savings of just over $40 mil and a QB on a rookie deal. Assuming Parsons is extended in the 2025 offseason, here are the other contracts that expire after 2025 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts). So, it looks like the expiring contracts after 2025 (again, assuming we extend Parsons after the season) would be Jake Ferguson, Wilson, Tolbert, Bland, Waletzko, Bass, and Aubrey among others. Obviously, we will want to extend Aubrey and Bland. We will also probably want to extend Ferguson. So, (of course, we could trade players like Tolbert and Bland after the season for picks), but, depending on the cap space following this, we still need a guard, WR, and a safety. I'd probably draft a guard, RB (since we wouldn't be able to get a good one in 2025), a CB (if we trade Bland), and WR and use FA on a quality safety. Good news, we would have a newly extended Aubrey, a suitable replacement for Tolbert to mix in with Mingo and Lamb, and another guard to replace Bass. Oh, and we should have a better run game and safety play. The downside is that we probably can't adequately replace all the losses, and our linebackers would still be rail thin. But, the nose tackle from 2025 should still be helpful in stopping the run. Plus, we have Sanders with 4 more years (assuming we use the option).

Now, suppose we use the cut in 2027 to gain $44 mil. Again, we are assuming Parsons is extended following the cut of Steele. I think in 2026, we have to extend Aubrey either way. In this situation, it makes even more sense to try to trade Bland. Additionally, we will still probably want to sign Ferguson. But, we wouldn't be able to sign as many players. But, we still probably draft a RB, guard, and WR. We also would need a safety in the draft. On the plus side, it gives us another year to make sure the team is ready for Sanders to take over. Downside, Mazi (DT), Kneeland, Liafu, and Beebe currently are scheduled for their contracts to expire in 2027 (of course, using the option on Mazi moves his expiration date to 2028, so let's assume we do that). We'd have 4 mil extra in cap space to extend these players. Additionally, we don't seem to have as many expiring contracts in 2027, so we can use the extra cap savings to fill other weaknesses. The one downside about waiting until 2027 to start Sanders is that he'd only have 3 years left (assuming we use his 5th year option) on his rookie deal.

I'm aware the above scenarios are a mouthful. I think the positives of starting Sanders in 2026 is that we get 4 years of him playing on his rookie deal, and we should have some decent weapons around him. The problem is, the running game wouldn't be ideal yet, and our linebackers room wouldn't be great. But, the nose tackle we draft in 2025 would help with our run defence.

The positives of starting Sanders in 2027 is we'd have more time to make sure he can be successful, but he'd have one less year with his rookie deal. However, assuming the Joneses address the linebackers and any other key weaknesses entering 2027, he should be able to succeed from the time he starts. Additionally, he might get some playing time at the end of 2026 before taking over 2027 to get his feet wet in the NFL. Additionally, Dak's dead hit is significantly reduced in 2027, which means that we aren't as hampered with our 2027 cap space.

So, to me, I would think it's a bit better to let him take over in 2027 as the full time starter and let Dak go in 2027. We'd have a little more cap space and the cap hit wouldn't be as high. So, we'd have more cap space available. It would mean being patient waiting for him to take over, but I think the patience would be rewarded by ensuring he has the ability to succeed. We would be able to have sufficient time with Dak's deal to be able to make sure he's as prepared as possible to start and to succeed.
Suppose they don't take him, they need to get rid of Dak and his money first, because Dak is here to stay.

Sorry...I know.
 

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Suppose they don't take him, they need to get rid of Dak and his money first, because Dak is here to stay.

Sorry...I know.
Not necessarily, they can do both take a QB and then later worry about Dak. Like I laid out, assuming they don't restructure him, they can June 1 him either in 2026 or 2027. So, it makes sense to take a QB either in 2025 or 2026, let them sit behind Dak for a year, and then let them take over. It takes a rookie sometime to learn the pro game. Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers didn't start their rookie years. We have an advantage with Dak as he's a vet QB. We can have a rookie sit behind him for a year, learn the pro game vs the college game, and we can build the team with the extra cap space after cutting Dak to give the rookie a better chance at success. That way, we don't become the Bears.
 

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From chatgpt

Dead Cap Calculations for 2026 Post-June 1 Release​

If Prescott is released post-June 1, the cap impacts are split across two seasons:

2026 Dead Cap Hit​

  1. Signing Bonus Proration for 2026: $16 million.
  2. Guaranteed Salary for 2026: $40 million (assuming the base salary is guaranteed by March 2025).
So, the dead cap in 2026 would be:

  • 2026 Dead Cap = $16 million (signing bonus proration) + $40 million (guaranteed salary) = $56 million.

2027 Dead Cap Hit​

In 2027, the remaining prorated signing bonus amount ($16 million) accelerates into the 2027 cap. There would be no base salary or other guaranteed amounts, as the contract would no longer be active.

  • 2027 Dead Cap = $16 million (remaining signing bonus proration).

Summary of Dead Cap Charges​

  • 2026 Dead Cap: $56 million
  • 2027 Dead Cap: $16 million
This structure allows the Cowboys to absorb a significant part of the dead cap in 2026, but they will still have a $16 million dead cap hit in 2027 due to the remaining prorated portion of the signing bonus.
 

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Not necessarily, they can do both take a QB and then later worry about Dak. Like I laid out, assuming they don't restructure him, they can June 1 him either in 2026 or 2027. So, it makes sense to take a QB either in 2025 or 2026, let them sit behind Dak for a year, and then let them take over. It takes a rookie sometime to learn the pro game. Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers didn't start their rookie years. We have an advantage with Dak as he's a vet QB. We can have a rookie sit behind him for a year, learn the pro game vs the college game, and we can build the team with the extra cap space after cutting Dak to give the rookie a better chance at success. That way, we don't become the Bears.
Then go sell this to Jerry. I really don't like a bunch of horse crap, make believe stuff.

But dream on if you wish, with Jerry in charge, your words mean nothing...sorry.
 

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From chatgpt

Dead Cap Calculations for 2026 Post-June 1 Release​

If Prescott is released post-June 1, the cap impacts are split across two seasons:

2026 Dead Cap Hit​

  1. Signing Bonus Proration for 2026: $16 million.
  2. Guaranteed Salary for 2026: $40 million (assuming the base salary is guaranteed by March 2025).
So, the dead cap in 2026 would be:

  • 2026 Dead Cap = $16 million (signing bonus proration) + $40 million (guaranteed salary) = $56 million.

2027 Dead Cap Hit​

In 2027, the remaining prorated signing bonus amount ($16 million) accelerates into the 2027 cap. There would be no base salary or other guaranteed amounts, as the contract would no longer be active.

  • 2027 Dead Cap = $16 million (remaining signing bonus proration).

Summary of Dead Cap Charges​

  • 2026 Dead Cap: $56 million
  • 2027 Dead Cap: $16 million
This structure allows the Cowboys to absorb a significant part of the dead cap in 2026, but they will still have a $16 million dead cap hit in 2027 due to the remaining prorated portion of the signing bonus.

Depends on how we play it per sportrac and over the cap.
 

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There is no way they draft a QB high right after the contract they just handed Dak. They don't possess the foresight to grab a QB and groom him for the future. If they do, it'll be some 5-7 round project......unfortunately.
 

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There is no way they draft a QB high right after the contract they just handed Dak. They don't possess the foresight to grab a QB and groom him for the future. If they do, it'll be some 5-7 round project......unfortunately.
Well, that's where Daily (Army) or Horvath (Navy) come in. They can do their military service in the meantime.
 

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So, I was posting in a thread, and someone mentioned about Shadeur Sanders. I've been heavily on the record wanting Jeanty. That said, suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders? So, for this thread, I will explore two ways that I could see us going about this.

As I've stated before, Dak's contract (assuming no restructures) would have to be examined. The below link is the details of his contract. There is a tab when looking at his cap hits for "post-June cut".

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

To me, as I've stated in other threads that I've written, the most optimal times to make Dak a post June 1 cut are 2026 ($40,010,000.00 in cap savings and a $27,686,666.00 cap hit)or 2027 ($45,000,000.00 cap savings and a $16,691,666.00 cap hit).

Before I layout my two scenarios, I must explain why I wouldn't just have Shadeur takeover to start 2025. This offense is far too one dimensional, and, given Dak's contract, we have the luxury of letting a QB sit for a season or two like the Packers did with Love or the Chiefs did with Mahomes. So, it would be better to let him sit a season or two under Dak while he learns the pro game. So, I will present the scenario for him taking over in 2026 (Dak cut in June that year) and 2027 (Dak cut in June that year). I will then, after analysing the two scenarios, provide what I think is the best scenario.

The next thing, before I get into the scenarios, is to look at the most optimal draft (will dive into this more after the SB). Assuming we first draft Sanders, I would then draft Dion Walker (NT Kentucky) or Nazir Stackhouse (NT Georgia) in round 2 and go oline round 3. I'm thinking someone like Xavier Truss (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Truss). He's 6'7". Unfortunately, this is where having a 4th round pick would be helpful, but hopefully Mingo can step in as a good receiver aside from Lamb. The running backs in this draft class after round 4 (from what I see on Walter Football) don't look very appealing. Additionally, we probably would still have another year or two to get the team ready. Plus, this is assuming we don't restructure Dak, so we are eating a cap hit here. Luckily, cutting Terrance Steele with a June 1 cut in 2025 should save some cap space. However, I think the savings would go to a new contract for Parsons. Unfortunately, I also don't like our safeties if we don't spend on FA entering 2025. On the other hand, the starting oline would probably be (assuming Martin retires) Tyler Smith, Bass, Beebe, Truss (RG), and Guyton (RT, his natural position). Obviously, Dak would start the entirety (assuming healthy) of 2025 and we'd probably want someone like Lance or another backup in the wings until Sanders is ready. Oh, and DLaw will be gone, and I don't think we have enough draft space for another pass rusher in 2025. Luckily, we have Kneeland.

So, now, let's suppose we cut Dak in 2026 for scenario 1. We'd have a dead hit of $27 mil and cap savings of just over $40 mil and a QB on a rookie deal. Assuming Parsons is extended in the 2025 offseason, here are the other contracts that expire after 2025 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts). So, it looks like the expiring contracts after 2025 (again, assuming we extend Parsons after the season) would be Jake Ferguson, Wilson, Tolbert, Bland, Waletzko, Bass, and Aubrey among others. Obviously, we will want to extend Aubrey and Bland. We will also probably want to extend Ferguson. So, (of course, we could trade players like Tolbert and Bland after the season for picks), but, depending on the cap space following this, we still need a guard, WR, and a safety. I'd probably draft a guard, RB (since we wouldn't be able to get a good one in 2025), a CB (if we trade Bland), and WR and use FA on a quality safety. Good news, we would have a newly extended Aubrey, a suitable replacement for Tolbert to mix in with Mingo and Lamb, and another guard to replace Bass. Oh, and we should have a better run game and safety play. The downside is that we probably can't adequately replace all the losses, and our linebackers would still be rail thin. But, the nose tackle from 2025 should still be helpful in stopping the run. Plus, we have Sanders with 4 more years (assuming we use the option).

Now, suppose we use the cut in 2027 to gain $44 mil. Again, we are assuming Parsons is extended following the cut of Steele. I think in 2026, we have to extend Aubrey either way. In this situation, it makes even more sense to try to trade Bland. Additionally, we will still probably want to sign Ferguson. But, we wouldn't be able to sign as many players. But, we still probably draft a RB, guard, and WR. We also would need a safety in the draft. On the plus side, it gives us another year to make sure the team is ready for Sanders to take over. Downside, Mazi (DT), Kneeland, Liafu, and Beebe currently are scheduled for their contracts to expire in 2027 (of course, using the option on Mazi moves his expiration date to 2028, so let's assume we do that). We'd have 4 mil extra in cap space to extend these players. Additionally, we don't seem to have as many expiring contracts in 2027, so we can use the extra cap savings to fill other weaknesses. The one downside about waiting until 2027 to start Sanders is that he'd only have 3 years left (assuming we use his 5th year option) on his rookie deal.

I'm aware the above scenarios are a mouthful. I think the positives of starting Sanders in 2026 is that we get 4 years of him playing on his rookie deal, and we should have some decent weapons around him. The problem is, the running game wouldn't be ideal yet, and our linebackers room wouldn't be great. But, the nose tackle we draft in 2025 would help with our run defence.

The positives of starting Sanders in 2027 is we'd have more time to make sure he can be successful, but he'd have one less year with his rookie deal. However, assuming the Joneses address the linebackers and any other key weaknesses entering 2027, he should be able to succeed from the time he starts. Additionally, he might get some playing time at the end of 2026 before taking over 2027 to get his feet wet in the NFL. Additionally, Dak's dead hit is significantly reduced in 2027, which means that we aren't as hampered with our 2027 cap space.

So, to me, I would think it's a bit better to let him take over in 2027 as the full time starter and let Dak go in 2027. We'd have a little more cap space and the cap hit wouldn't be as high. So, we'd have more cap space available. It would mean being patient waiting for him to take over, but I think the patience would be rewarded by ensuring he has the ability to succeed. We would be able to have sufficient time with Dak's deal to be able to make sure he's as prepared as possible to start and to succeed.
I shall wait for the CliffsNotes version of this post.
 

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If we are in position to draft Sanders or Ward, I hope we trade back. Because of Daks contract this is not the year to draft a QB. But if we trade back and gain some extra collateral, including an extra 1st next year then we might just be cooking with some gas. I'm talking about having a little ammunition to go after Archie. The thing is does he come out after his Jr. season?
 

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If we are in position to draft Sanders or Ward, I hope we trade back. Because of Daks contract this is not the year to draft a QB. But if we trade back and gain some extra collateral, including an extra 1st next year then we might just be cooking with some gas. I'm talking about having a little ammunition to go after Archie. The thing is does he come out after his Jr. season?

Yeah, and that's what I'd love is to get an extra first next year for an opportunity for Archie. If he doesn't come out for the draft, surely there will be more options in 2026.
 

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We would have so many options if JJ didn’t give Dak that contract this year. He would’ve played on a prove it year deal, injured himself, and this franchise would’ve been able to move on and start fresh.

I absolutely loath the owners of this franchise.
 

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Remember the falcons and lions took backs and was hoping they would fall or get close to our pick but both long gone before us. QB wise just not sure on any of them.
 

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If Dallas drafts in top 10 and takes a RB, they will repeat the same mistake as they did with Zeke!
Eh,
Don’t think anyone is taking a 5’9 RB top 10. Regardless, what does that have to do with anything?
 

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I only have one question, and you’re busy lifestyle,
Where do you find the time to contemplate your thoughts so eloquently, lol
It’s a pleasure to know you. I miss some cowboy brothers from the old site.
 

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Yes, but we don't need to start him straight away, and nor should we. We need to build a supporting cast for him before he starts.
That’s what some say we did with Tony Romo, but it was at the end of his career. I say they did it for Prescott not for Tony. Well, not necessarily Prescott, but the next quarterback that they thought was in line, possibly Kellen Moore.
 

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That’s what some say we did with Tony Romo, but it was at the end of his career. I say they did it for Prescott not for Tony. Well, not necessarily Prescott, but the next quarterback that they thought was in line, possibly Kellen Moore.

Annoying how they only do that towards the end of their careers.
 

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I've been low on Dak since the playoff loss.

But, it makes zero sense to take a QB that high in the 2025 draft.
Sure, teams like the Packers took Love and sat him for 3+ years, however, that was a late 1st round draft pick and may of hurt their chances at a win now with Rodgers.

The team is stuck with Dak for at least 3 years. Now, it would be nice to get a competent backup as Dak has Romo-itis and gets injured most seasons now.
But, not a top 5-10 draft pick.
If Dak gets injured seriously again, look in the 2026 draft high up.

I also feel like Sanders + Dallas = more of a media circus, something that we need less of.
 

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I mean, i get that, but you also don't want to throw them out before they're ready. I suppose we could sit him for 2025 (cuz there's no way I put a rookie out there with this offense his rookie year) and play him in 2026. That way, you give him a year to learn the NFL way while he sits behind Dak. So, that would speak more to scenario 1.
No to Sanders, trade down for high draft capital in 2026. We're going to have to take the bitter pill of: the existing team, Dak (and presumably his reduced mobility) and hope for a coaching bounce.
Re-evaluate once the coaching team is in place.....for those interested in EFL, Liverpool FC and, Arne Slot
 
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