Suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders?

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I don't know what all of the hype is about either. Pray we win enough games to stay away. But our owner sees gold coins with this kid. Jerry never trades up anymore. That's part of their house rules. At least not in the first two days. But don't put it past him to break tradition.
You want the hype I can tell you the hype among the Dallas Cowboys fan base number one is because primetime played here they think the name Sanders is gonna carry weight in the NFL but here's the real reason we have problems with our fan base,

a lot of y'all are the problem let me put this in quotes they think ,

anyone but Prescott is an improvement and it will be better off let me explain anyone but Prescott rule the anyone but Prescott narrative anyone but Prescott and somehow, he's going to change around here with a new quarterback and they'd be probably pretty wrong..

you know why because Sanders can probably be a long line of other failed first round quarterbacks that had a lot of hype coming out of college and didn't fit in the NFL I mean the newest 1 is what is will levis or Anthony Richardson or Bryce young remind anybody to not be hyping up players and counting on moving up in the draft we can go back to Trey Lance he's on our team who the hell thought that he was worth 3 first round picks when the man had almost no college? Wasn't that the same thing with Mitch Trubisky guys like him keep falling off a truck and NFL teams keep buying the hype..

. you know the irony here it used to be anyone but romo.. But it's the same old fan base the narrative just keeps following around just change the quarterback the quarterback makes the most money gets the most FaceTime is talked about the most so he must be the problem...

No that be the casual fan trying to find any reason to blame the quarterback for his average to below average play when we can look around and it's his team's lack of execution lack of talent and his coaching staff are all pretty bad and that's why he's having an offseason and hopefully next year we'll see better days because Prescott's playing two more years anybody who thinks differently needs to get over themselves or get a new team to follow because it's not gonna get rid of Prescott and we'd be wasting a pick in the first round given we have a quarterback at least the next two years if not three we need to build around our quarterback we need a better coaching staff to scheme around our quarterback much better like other real teams do..
 

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So, I was posting in a thread, and someone mentioned about Shadeur Sanders. I've been heavily on the record wanting Jeanty. That said, suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders? So, for this thread, I will explore two ways that I could see us going about this.

As I've stated before, Dak's contract (assuming no restructures) would have to be examined. The below link is the details of his contract. There is a tab when looking at his cap hits for "post-June cut".

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

To me, as I've stated in other threads that I've written, the most optimal times to make Dak a post June 1 cut are 2026 ($40,010,000.00 in cap savings and a $27,686,666.00 cap hit)or 2027 ($45,000,000.00 cap savings and a $16,691,666.00 cap hit).

Before I layout my two scenarios, I must explain why I wouldn't just have Shadeur takeover to start 2025. This offense is far too one dimensional, and, given Dak's contract, we have the luxury of letting a QB sit for a season or two like the Packers did with Love or the Chiefs did with Mahomes. So, it would be better to let him sit a season or two under Dak while he learns the pro game. So, I will present the scenario for him taking over in 2026 (Dak cut in June that year) and 2027 (Dak cut in June that year). I will then, after analysing the two scenarios, provide what I think is the best scenario.

The next thing, before I get into the scenarios, is to look at the most optimal draft (will dive into this more after the SB). Assuming we first draft Sanders, I would then draft Dion Walker (NT Kentucky) or Nazir Stackhouse (NT Georgia) in round 2 and go oline round 3. I'm thinking someone like Xavier Truss (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Truss). He's 6'7". Unfortunately, this is where having a 4th round pick would be helpful, but hopefully Mingo can step in as a good receiver aside from Lamb. The running backs in this draft class after round 4 (from what I see on Walter Football) don't look very appealing. Additionally, we probably would still have another year or two to get the team ready. Plus, this is assuming we don't restructure Dak, so we are eating a cap hit here. Luckily, cutting Terrance Steele with a June 1 cut in 2025 should save some cap space. However, I think the savings would go to a new contract for Parsons. Unfortunately, I also don't like our safeties if we don't spend on FA entering 2025. On the other hand, the starting oline would probably be (assuming Martin retires) Tyler Smith, Bass, Beebe, Truss (RG), and Guyton (RT, his natural position). Obviously, Dak would start the entirety (assuming healthy) of 2025 and we'd probably want someone like Lance or another backup in the wings until Sanders is ready. Oh, and DLaw will be gone, and I don't think we have enough draft space for another pass rusher in 2025. Luckily, we have Kneeland.

So, now, let's suppose we cut Dak in 2026 for scenario 1. We'd have a dead hit of $27 mil and cap savings of just over $40 mil and a QB on a rookie deal. Assuming Parsons is extended in the 2025 offseason, here are the other contracts that expire after 2025 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts). So, it looks like the expiring contracts after 2025 (again, assuming we extend Parsons after the season) would be Jake Ferguson, Wilson, Tolbert, Bland, Waletzko, Bass, and Aubrey among others. Obviously, we will want to extend Aubrey and Bland. We will also probably want to extend Ferguson. So, (of course, we could trade players like Tolbert and Bland after the season for picks), but, depending on the cap space following this, we still need a guard, WR, and a safety. I'd probably draft a guard, RB (since we wouldn't be able to get a good one in 2025), a CB (if we trade Bland), and WR and use FA on a quality safety. Good news, we would have a newly extended Aubrey, a suitable replacement for Tolbert to mix in with Mingo and Lamb, and another guard to replace Bass. Oh, and we should have a better run game and safety play. The downside is that we probably can't adequately replace all the losses, and our linebackers would still be rail thin. But, the nose tackle from 2025 should still be helpful in stopping the run. Plus, we have Sanders with 4 more years (assuming we use the option).

Now, suppose we use the cut in 2027 to gain $44 mil. Again, we are assuming Parsons is extended following the cut of Steele. I think in 2026, we have to extend Aubrey either way. In this situation, it makes even more sense to try to trade Bland. Additionally, we will still probably want to sign Ferguson. But, we wouldn't be able to sign as many players. But, we still probably draft a RB, guard, and WR. We also would need a safety in the draft. On the plus side, it gives us another year to make sure the team is ready for Sanders to take over. Downside, Mazi (DT), Kneeland, Liafu, and Beebe currently are scheduled for their contracts to expire in 2027 (of course, using the option on Mazi moves his expiration date to 2028, so let's assume we do that). We'd have 4 mil extra in cap space to extend these players. Additionally, we don't seem to have as many expiring contracts in 2027, so we can use the extra cap savings to fill other weaknesses. The one downside about waiting until 2027 to start Sanders is that he'd only have 3 years left (assuming we use his 5th year option) on his rookie deal.

I'm aware the above scenarios are a mouthful. I think the positives of starting Sanders in 2026 is that we get 4 years of him playing on his rookie deal, and we should have some decent weapons around him. The problem is, the running game wouldn't be ideal yet, and our linebackers room wouldn't be great. But, the nose tackle we draft in 2025 would help with our run defence.

The positives of starting Sanders in 2027 is we'd have more time to make sure he can be successful, but he'd have one less year with his rookie deal. However, assuming the Joneses address the linebackers and any other key weaknesses entering 2027, he should be able to succeed from the time he starts. Additionally, he might get some playing time at the end of 2026 before taking over 2027 to get his feet wet in the NFL. Additionally, Dak's dead hit is significantly reduced in 2027, which means that we aren't as hampered with our 2027 cap space.

So, to me, I would think it's a bit better to let him take over in 2027 as the full time starter and let Dak go in 2027. We'd have a little more cap space and the cap hit wouldn't be as high. So, we'd have more cap space available. It would mean being patient waiting for him to take over, but I think the patience would be rewarded by ensuring he has the ability to succeed. We would be able to have sufficient time with Dak's deal to be able to make sure he's as prepared as possible to start and to succeed.
Sanders will never see the field until 2027. Dallas will not nor can not bench/trade or cut Dak with a $90M cap hit for 2025/26 if you do move on from Dak in any fashion
 

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Given his relationship with Jerry, I think Deion wouldn't mind one bit with Shadeur coming here.
He'd be thrilled

Deion has been, is, and will always be, about getting "that bag"

Deion fully understands that your best odds of over maximizing your true value contract wise will be realized in Dallas as long as Jerry is the GM and owner

Deion would love to have his son fleece Jerry for some more generational wealth. It's the perfect spot for his son. Trust me
 

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Yeah. I’m out on a top five pick on a RB. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze in today’s league.
Your right. BJ from Atlanta sure would not have helped us nor Barkley. This mentality is why we are in our situation this year at RB. A stud RB is a game changer.
 

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Your right. BJ from Atlanta sure would not have helped us nor Barkley. This mentality is why we are in our situation this year at RB. A stud RB is a game changer.
Explain to me what you think I meant by the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze”.

Be specific and detailed just so I know you’re not a complete moron. Thanks.
 

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if we somehow draft QB Sanders, we're moving away from Dak in a casualty cut or somehow convince/persuade him
to a trade of his own picked NFL interested team.

i don't wanna do the ATL path with Cousins/Michael Penix. I'd draft Sanders who has much better physical talent and upside
than Dak. and then there's the youth factor.

I'd immediately pursue a vet backup QB (if the new HC is not sold on Cooper) or two to better support rookie Sanders.
 

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Have to try and build as best as possible around Dak. Jerry supposedly doesn’t like to pay coaches to sit on their couch. How can anyone say with confidence he will move on from Dak with all the money he invested in him.
 

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You wouldn't think it, considering his father, but Shadeur seems to be a traditional pocket passer. He doesn't run with the ball.

Total college rushing stats, 376 carries for 68 yards. So far this season, 77 carries for -11 yards

I thought he would be more of a double threat.
 

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So, I was posting in a thread, and someone mentioned about Shadeur Sanders. I've been heavily on the record wanting Jeanty. That said, suppose we do take Shadeur Sanders? So, for this thread, I will explore two ways that I could see us going about this.

As I've stated before, Dak's contract (assuming no restructures) would have to be examined. The below link is the details of his contract. There is a tab when looking at his cap hits for "post-June cut".

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

To me, as I've stated in other threads that I've written, the most optimal times to make Dak a post June 1 cut are 2026 ($40,010,000.00 in cap savings and a $27,686,666.00 cap hit)or 2027 ($45,000,000.00 cap savings and a $16,691,666.00 cap hit).

Before I layout my two scenarios, I must explain why I wouldn't just have Shadeur takeover to start 2025. This offense is far too one dimensional, and, given Dak's contract, we have the luxury of letting a QB sit for a season or two like the Packers did with Love or the Chiefs did with Mahomes. So, it would be better to let him sit a season or two under Dak while he learns the pro game. So, I will present the scenario for him taking over in 2026 (Dak cut in June that year) and 2027 (Dak cut in June that year). I will then, after analysing the two scenarios, provide what I think is the best scenario.

The next thing, before I get into the scenarios, is to look at the most optimal draft (will dive into this more after the SB). Assuming we first draft Sanders, I would then draft Dion Walker (NT Kentucky) or Nazir Stackhouse (NT Georgia) in round 2 and go oline round 3. I'm thinking someone like Xavier Truss (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Truss). He's 6'7". Unfortunately, this is where having a 4th round pick would be helpful, but hopefully Mingo can step in as a good receiver aside from Lamb. The running backs in this draft class after round 4 (from what I see on Walter Football) don't look very appealing. Additionally, we probably would still have another year or two to get the team ready. Plus, this is assuming we don't restructure Dak, so we are eating a cap hit here. Luckily, cutting Terrance Steele with a June 1 cut in 2025 should save some cap space. However, I think the savings would go to a new contract for Parsons. Unfortunately, I also don't like our safeties if we don't spend on FA entering 2025. On the other hand, the starting oline would probably be (assuming Martin retires) Tyler Smith, Bass, Beebe, Truss (RG), and Guyton (RT, his natural position). Obviously, Dak would start the entirety (assuming healthy) of 2025 and we'd probably want someone like Lance or another backup in the wings until Sanders is ready. Oh, and DLaw will be gone, and I don't think we have enough draft space for another pass rusher in 2025. Luckily, we have Kneeland.

So, now, let's suppose we cut Dak in 2026 for scenario 1. We'd have a dead hit of $27 mil and cap savings of just over $40 mil and a QB on a rookie deal. Assuming Parsons is extended in the 2025 offseason, here are the other contracts that expire after 2025 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/contracts). So, it looks like the expiring contracts after 2025 (again, assuming we extend Parsons after the season) would be Jake Ferguson, Wilson, Tolbert, Bland, Waletzko, Bass, and Aubrey among others. Obviously, we will want to extend Aubrey and Bland. We will also probably want to extend Ferguson. So, (of course, we could trade players like Tolbert and Bland after the season for picks), but, depending on the cap space following this, we still need a guard, WR, and a safety. I'd probably draft a guard, RB (since we wouldn't be able to get a good one in 2025), a CB (if we trade Bland), and WR and use FA on a quality safety. Good news, we would have a newly extended Aubrey, a suitable replacement for Tolbert to mix in with Mingo and Lamb, and another guard to replace Bass. Oh, and we should have a better run game and safety play. The downside is that we probably can't adequately replace all the losses, and our linebackers would still be rail thin. But, the nose tackle from 2025 should still be helpful in stopping the run. Plus, we have Sanders with 4 more years (assuming we use the option).

Now, suppose we use the cut in 2027 to gain $44 mil. Again, we are assuming Parsons is extended following the cut of Steele. I think in 2026, we have to extend Aubrey either way. In this situation, it makes even more sense to try to trade Bland. Additionally, we will still probably want to sign Ferguson. But, we wouldn't be able to sign as many players. But, we still probably draft a RB, guard, and WR. We also would need a safety in the draft. On the plus side, it gives us another year to make sure the team is ready for Sanders to take over. Downside, Mazi (DT), Kneeland, Liafu, and Beebe currently are scheduled for their contracts to expire in 2027 (of course, using the option on Mazi moves his expiration date to 2028, so let's assume we do that). We'd have 4 mil extra in cap space to extend these players. Additionally, we don't seem to have as many expiring contracts in 2027, so we can use the extra cap savings to fill other weaknesses. The one downside about waiting until 2027 to start Sanders is that he'd only have 3 years left (assuming we use his 5th year option) on his rookie deal.

I'm aware the above scenarios are a mouthful. I think the positives of starting Sanders in 2026 is that we get 4 years of him playing on his rookie deal, and we should have some decent weapons around him. The problem is, the running game wouldn't be ideal yet, and our linebackers room wouldn't be great. But, the nose tackle we draft in 2025 would help with our run defence.

The positives of starting Sanders in 2027 is we'd have more time to make sure he can be successful, but he'd have one less year with his rookie deal. However, assuming the Joneses address the linebackers and any other key weaknesses entering 2027, he should be able to succeed from the time he starts. Additionally, he might get some playing time at the end of 2026 before taking over 2027 to get his feet wet in the NFL. Additionally, Dak's dead hit is significantly reduced in 2027, which means that we aren't as hampered with our 2027 cap space.

So, to me, I would think it's a bit better to let him take over in 2027 as the full time starter and let Dak go in 2027. We'd have a little more cap space and the cap hit wouldn't be as high. So, we'd have more cap space available. It would mean being patient waiting for him to take over, but I think the patience would be rewarded by ensuring he has the ability to succeed. We would be able to have sufficient time with Dak's deal to be able to make sure he's as prepared as possible to start and to succeed.
JJ isn't draft any QBs for a couple of more seasons, not going to happen..............
 

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Sanders will never see the field until 2027. Dallas will not nor can not bench/trade or cut Dak with a $90M cap hit for 2025/26 if you do move on from Dak in any fashion
Do you mean Dak the Gimp?
Play till 2027 gimp free?
Ya I wouldn't place money on that bet./
 

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LOL, then we watch as Deion and Shadeur undermine Dak at every turn.

The entertainment would be epic.
 

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Explain to me what you think I meant by the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze”.

Be specific and detailed just so I know you’re not a complete moron. Thanks.
Because you can probably get 8 or more years out of a different position versus like Jeanty. I know everyone's all focused on that but not focused on the realism that they were very upset a bunch of hypocrites around here didn't like Ezekiel Elliott at #4 they wanted jalen Ramsey and they thought maybe Henry would be there in the second round which I doubt it there's no guarantee if you change the way you drafted it didn't change the rest of the draft but that's what they're talking about they rather have a top player on their board not a quarterback or running back when you're picking in the top 10 and it makes sense there is another running back in the second round pretty close because if you look at Ezekiel elliott's first four years look at the wear and tear that Ohio State put on him he was the only thing on their offense he was the juice he was the juice the first four years of the Dallas Cowboys and what exactly did that get them? I know it appears that somebody's running back on these teams with Robinson and saquon somehow it's them but really you're not looking at the whole picture those teams are good in all phases right now they don't mean they ain't gonna collapse Christian McCaffrey has never won his team a Super Bowl he didn't do anything for Carolina but stack stats you do realize that's what it is it's stat padding according to this place he did not help his team over the hump did he help the 49ers get any further than they did before he got there did he get them past The Super bowl there is no Super Bowl wins since 1994 and Christian McCaffrey wasn't the guy to do it running back yes you need a good one but I don't think you pick a guy who has that much mileage on him who's been leaned on in college and then pick him in the top ten and only get him for four years at his top level unless you know for a fact that he can be Derrick Henry the diet the body the extra time he puts in to make sure he's an anomaly he is not what running backs four good years and then they start dropping off but they for sure are not difference makers in the playoffs or the Super bowl unless they just have a like ridiculously good game...

So yes a running back in that similar mold like gives or somebody like a young Ezekiel I would take him again but you just can't resign the guy but that's what they're talking about the mistake that was made in their minds in 2016 is taking Elliot over ramses 'cause they could have possibly got a guy like Henry in the second round and that's what they're talking about you can't pass up a position you can probably have for twice as long at their peak in their prime as they say... Running backs are high risk in the top ten 'cause what are they really bringing to your team and for how long and by the way Barkley got passed on by the giants when he was there he was not helping Daniel Jones.. So yeah one added to a really good team might make a difference but not as big a difference as you're making it out to be 'cause you can get good running backs in the second and third round really good ones with juice I mean where did Pacheco came from I mean the 7th rounder we don't wanna go that far down but I think we're better off in the first round picking a guy at any other position but quarterback or running back you can take any of them and we have a need for it get the best player available not quarterback not running back although I wouldn't be upset if they took him I think it would be smarter to pass on the running back that high...
 

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You wouldn't think it, considering his father, but Shadeur seems to be a traditional pocket passer. He doesn't run with the ball.

Total college rushing stats, 376 carries for 68 yards. So far this season, 77 carries for -11 yards

I thought he would be more of a double threat.
4.65 forty guy.
 
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