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[Diehardblues]

Winstar has had Vegas consultants since 2009 which is why it became the largest casino in the US. They hired them to take it to the next level and their greatest fear has been Texas would allow casino gambling but the Chickasaws have set themselves up to run casinos in DFW should Texas legalize it. They bought the race track in Grand Prairie because the feeling is video poker and some slots at the tracks is phase 1 and they want a leg up on the competition.

I’m sure but when I say Vegas connections I meant ownership.

And I love Winstar . We go there regularly. Winstar is one I could see sports betting at. Probably in Durant too.

I’m not sure this SC ruling will be enough to move the needle in Texas.

 

[CouchCoach]

I live in Shreveport and the roads are TERRIBLE! They are building a downtown in bossier and deciding to not allow people to walk around with alcohol like you can in new orleans. There isn’t to much attraction to Shreveport/Bossier which is why I believe that decision was a bad idea to not allow it. The casinos don’t seem to be putting money back into the cities contrary to what the selling point was by Edwin Edwards to bringing them here. They have like 6 casinos here plus the louisiana downs. They should have only three major casinos in my opinion. Shreveport is the city to live in if you like driving to Dallas to buy stuff like everyone I know, hell I bought a car in North Richland Hills after a car dealer told me if I wanted a deal to try Texas.

I didn’t not known that about my state! I always enjoy hearing stories like that!

I love my state don’t get me wrong but we have the highest insurance rates around amoung many other things. New Orleans is the best thing in Louisiana lol

I do know Texas is weird with appling to Dental school they don’t take to many out of state applicants though I will prob apply to Baylor in the Dallas area.

If Texas builds casinos Shreveport is done.

Bossier City was mecca to 18-20 year olds from AR-OK-TX back in the day. It was close enough and loose enough that it was the next best thing to Nawlins but nothing matches Nawlins and the fact they turned their back on it when they most needed the help and those blue tarps are still there is a travesty.

The most unusual city in the US and the second biggest draw for the rest of the world after NYC should have been rebuilt immediately. I lived there for 3 years and Baton Rouge for 4 and that is the only area in this country I have ever lived in that forces people to acclimate and kick off their shoes and sit a spell or get the hell out. Never seen anything like it and if my family wasn't in the Austin area, I probably would have retired back to the Nawlins area or Idaho, there's a hell of a contrast. Hate the weather in July and August, it rains up, but there is something spiritual about Nawlins and I've never seen a place more welcoming to people willing to adapt. Don't bring your high falootin' city ways and expect to change them, they are beyond change. But they'll change you for the better, if you give them a chance.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m sure but when I say Vegas connections I meant ownership.

And I love Winstar . We go there regularly. Winstar is one I could see sports betting at. Probably in Durant too.

I’m not sure this SC ruling will be enough to move the needle in Texas.

With "Jesus in a wheelchair" as governor and that tool as AG, it will take a strong movement from the legislature and there are controls over the capitol that were the same in Arkansas back in the 60's when Hot Springs had gambling.

They had a referendum to completely legalize it and had commitments from Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. and all the big Vegas acts to come to Hot Springs because back then Vegas was a watering hole in the desert and Hot Springs had the lakes and the baths that brought the mobsters down for their meetings. Hot Springs has one of the most colorful histories of any town in America and it was known as the safe zone for the mafia and the highest stakes poker games ever played up to that point.

The guy that led the charge against gambling was the leader of the Baptist church in Arkansas and he helped defeat the movement. Only years later they discovered he'd been paid a little under 1M to lead the charge and guess where the money came from? If Hot Springs had pulled that off, Vegas would not be close to what it is today. 1M was a drop in the bucket compared to the potential.

Back in the day, before Austin thought about laws that might upset certain people, they consulted the most powerful man in Texas, Criswell, the head of the Texas Baptist churches. They did not want to go against his group and he wasn't a crook like the one in AR but no politician wanted on his bad side. That is why Texas had the harshest laws in the US against just possession of pot back in the 60's and 70's.

Those forces are still at work behind the scenes in Texas and no one wants to screw with them. That's why Texas will be the 50th state to allow liquor sales on Sunday's. Hard enough for them to get it in by the drink and the DFW liquor laws were archaic.

 

[CouchCoach]

It never stopped Vegas just like Weed is still illegal on a federal level , yet states allow it .. what does this really change? so now all states can bet locally? maybe im ignorant to the law , didnt they have bets in vegas on every aspect of all sports, W/L scores by QTR , and final score? also the total score by both teams and what what the differential was?

wasn't there already many states allow to OTB etc?

OTB is not sports betting, that's horse racing and the feds have been keeping states from having sports books. All this does is allow states to decide if they want to allow it or not and there are about 20 of them already lined up to do it. And most will have that done before the season kicks off.

The NFL knew this was coming as it is unconstitutional and their lawyers know that. They opposed it so they can still wear the white hats against gambling but they know it cannot do anything but help their sport. Just as fantasy helped the NFL, in states where it is legalized, that will help as well. They need to stop the bleeding of viewers and letting people legally bet will help that.

 

[Diehardblues]

With "Jesus in a wheelchair" as governor and that tool as AG, it will take a strong movement from the legislature and there are controls over the capitol that were the same in Arkansas back in the 60's when Hot Springs had gambling.

They had a referendum to completely legalize it and had commitments from Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. and all the big Vegas acts to come to Hot Springs because back then Vegas was a watering hole in the desert and Hot Springs had the lakes and the baths that brought the mobsters down for their meetings. Hot Springs has one of the most colorful histories of any town in America and it was known as the safe zone for the mafia and the highest stakes poker games ever played up to that point.

The guy that led the charge against gambling was the leader of the Baptist church in Arkansas and he helped defeat the movement. Only years later they discovered he'd been paid a little under 1M to lead the charge and guess where the money came from? If Hot Springs had pulled that off, Vegas would not be close to what it is today. 1M was a drop in the bucket compared to the potential.

Back in the day, before Austin thought about laws that might upset certain people they consulted the most powerful man in Texas, Criswell, the head of the Texas Baptist churches. They did not want to go against his group and he wasn't a crook like the one in AR but no politician wanted on his bad side. That is why Texas had the harshest laws in the US against just possession of pot back in the 60's and 70's.

Those forces are still at work behind the scenes in Texas and no one wants to screw with them. That's why Texas will be the 50th state to allow liquor sales on Sunday's. Hard enough for them to get it in by the drink and the DFW liquor laws were archaic.

I haven’t been to Hot Springs in 30 years. We went to Oaklawn track and spent a wonderful weekend on Lake Hamilton. Beautiful area!

Yep. No place like the Bible pounding state here in Texas. Well except Utah. Lol

We're seeing it loosen up a little here in Texas as more infiltrate for jobs bringing their influence. But most of all Texas simply doesn’t need the taxes generated from Casinos and gambling which usually delivers the momentum for legislation.

 

[Diehardblues]

OTB is not sports betting, that's horse racing and the feds have been keeping states from having sports books. All this does is allow states to decide if they want to allow it or not and there are about 20 of them already lined up to do it. And most will have that done before the season kicks off.

The NFL knew this was coming as it is unconstitutional and their lawyers know that. They opposed it so they can still wear the white hats against gambling but they know it cannot do anything but help their sport. Just as fantasy helped the NFL, in states where it is legalized, that will help as well. They need to stop the bleeding of viewers and letting people legally bet will help that.

Legal sports betting is really only critical to casual bettors. Most diehards are either online or on the phone to their leg breakin bookie.

It was a big deal for Atlantic City as they continue to compete with Vegas and Indian casinos that have rivaled business from NY. The one across the border in Connecticut has been cutting into AC for years. It’s one of the biggest in US.

 

[DandyDon1722]

OTB is not sports betting, that's horse racing and the feds have been keeping states from having sports books. All this does is allow states to decide if they want to allow it or not and there are about 20 of them already lined up to do it. And most will have that done before the season kicks off.

The NFL knew this was coming as it is unconstitutional and their lawyers know that. They opposed it so they can still wear the white hats against gambling but they know it cannot do anything but help their sport. Just as fantasy helped the NFL, in states where it is legalized, that will help as well. They need to stop the bleeding of viewers and letting people legally bet will help that.

Exactly right. Interest will soar in all sports but especially football. This article out today is saying how gambling on football will erase all the problems the league had last year and how bettors are ravenous consumers of their bets.

https://sports.yahoo.com/angst-coli...ing-sports-gambling-takes-root-205116911.html

 

[lockster]

Betting destroys the lives of too many ppl. Its an industry of greed. I hate all betting.

 

[3rd_n_inches]

Bossier City was mecca to 18-20 year olds from AR-OK-TX back in the day. It was close enough and loose enough that it was the next best thing to Nawlins but nothing matches Nawlins and the fact they turned their back on it when they most needed the help and those blue tarps are still there is a travesty.

The most unusual city in the US and the second biggest draw for the rest of the world after NYC should have been rebuilt immediately. I lived there for 3 years and Baton Rouge for 4 and that is the only area in this country I have ever lived in that forces people to acclimate and kick off their shoes and sit a spell or get the hell out. Never seen anything like it and if my family wasn't in the Austin area, I probably would have retired back to the Nawlins area or Idaho, there's a hell of a contrast. Hate the weather in July and August, it rains up, but there is something spiritual about Nawlins and I've never seen a place more welcoming to people willing to adapt. Don't bring your high falootin' city ways and expect to change them, they are beyond change. But they'll change you for the better, if you give them a chance.

I will live down there for four years for dental school and everytime I go down there to visit the dental school I wanna stay cause I feel like I am in the real Louisiana. The food and fishing are too good compared to Shreveport. I told the Dental School if I can make it in New Orleans I can make it anywhere lmao.

Shreveport/Bossier city is the mecca for getting pulled over for driving in the left hand lane then finding out the ticket is $205.00. If they fixed the roads maybe I wouldn’t worry about destroying $1000 dollar tires on pot holes.

 

[blueblood70]

as anon gambling person I could care less about this , been to Vegas and other places and its just not me.. However what concerns me is players and more so Refs/Officials being able to now profit off of shady behavior..

it happens all the time as of now its called bad reffing bad calls, missed calls, calls like *** could they be thinking etc etc they can easily hide game changing calls that can easily put big dollars in their pockets..rhe fans already feel the NFL for one since we are on this site are in cahoots with the Officials to STEER games especially given what happened this past year in the playoffs , *** will we be thinking now? Players point shaving or not getting 1st down on a drive because hes conscious of a meaningless late score could lose him money..

I can see why this was a law to begin with , maybe im a conspiracy theorist but this new reversal seems to be a recipe for all major sports to become very shady and get polluted with greed..

 

[cern]

say it ain't so, joe. say it ain't so.

 

[CouchCoach]

as anon gambling person I could care less about this , been to Vegas and other places and its just not me.. However what concerns me is players and more so Refs/Officials being able to now profit off of shady behavior..

it happens all the time as of now its called bad reffing bad calls, missed calls, calls like *** could they be thinking etc etc they can easily hide game changing calls that can easily put big dollars in their pockets..rhe fans already feel the NFL for one since we are on this site are in cahoots with the Officials to STEER games especially given what happened this past year in the playoffs , *** will we be thinking now? Players point shaving or not getting 1st down on a drive because hes conscious of a meaningless late score could lose him money..

I can see why this was a law to begin with , maybe im a conspiracy theorist but this new reversal seems to be a recipe for all major sports to become very shady and get polluted with greed..

Illegal gambling controlled by organized crime is more likely to fix games and taint the sport.

You get the Vegas casinos involved, and they will be running most, if not all, of the sports books around the country and since they're licensed, they would not risk it over a small % of their business.

I really do not see this as close to a reality as they would have to have too many in on a fix like "Eight Men Out" and they were easy pickings because of being underpaid by Comiskey. Today's players make too much to take money for a fix and they'd have to start with the QB's. Not going to happen, the money is not big enough.

 

[CouchCoach]

I will live down there for four years for dental school and everytime I go down there to visit the dental school I wanna stay cause I feel like I am in the real Louisiana. The food and fishing are too good compared to Shreveport. I told the Dental School if I can make it in New Orleans I can make it anywhere lmao.

Shreveport/Bossier city is the mecca for getting pulled over for driving in the left hand lane then finding out the ticket is $205.00. If they fixed the roads maybe I wouldn’t worry about destroying $1000 dollar tires on pot holes.

I am a type A personality and my wife liked me best in So. LA where one has to back off or they just won't make it. I walked and talked slower in NO and learned to really relax. When we moved to BR, we had already lived in NO so we had that So. LA experience so when a couple of construction people said they couldn't come back and fix something on our new house immediately because they were going fishing, I understood. I was still pissed but I got it.

That area of the country is all about free time. Everything is done to maximize free time. NO will change people, it is never the reverse.

My wife and I went back 3 years after Katrina and we jumped on the street car to take a ride to the end of St. Charles and I looked over at her and she had tears streaming down her face at what we were seeing. It was a mistake to do that on our first day as those blue tarp images and condemned and deserted homes stayed with us even when we were trying to party on Pat O's patio or hanging out at The Old Absinthe Bar, which can legally serve Absinthe now.

The other thing that changed for the worse is on Bourbon where some local bars didn't reopen and were bought out by Dauquiri's, there are 4 or 5 of them on Bourbon. However, on the plus side, Galatoire's was able to get their entire wait staff back because they hadn't underpaid them as many of the restauranteurs had before they found out taking off to places like Houston where they were treated better.

The eye opener for us was as we watched that American horror story and tragedy unfold was just how many service people in NO were dependent on public transportation and had no other form they could escape in. At one time, I sold Yellow Pages advertising and my territory was the 9th ward and I used to wonder why there weren't many cars there, now I know. I quit the day I got shot at getting out of my car and figured there are just some places I don't belong and that was one of them.....actually, top of the list but still under Beirut, yelling "Hey y'all, I am a pawnbroker, who wants to buy a gun"?

 

[Nightman]

Betting destroys the lives of too many ppl. Its an industry of greed. I hate all betting.

I bet you aren't serious

 

[3rd_n_inches]

I am a type A personality and my wife liked me best in So. LA where one has to back off or they just won't make it. I walked and talked slower in NO and learned to really relax. When we moved to BR, we had already lived in NO so we had that So. LA experience so when a couple of construction people said they couldn't come back and fix something on our new house immediately because they were going fishing, I understood. I was still pissed but I got it.

That area of the country is all about free time. Everything is done to maximize free time. NO will change people, it is never the reverse.

My wife and I went back 3 years after Katrina and we jumped on the street car to take a ride to the end of St. Charles and I looked over at her and she had tears streaming down her face at what we were seeing. It was a mistake to do that on our first day as those blue tarp images and condemned and deserted homes stayed with us even when we were trying to party on Pat O's patio or hanging out at The Old Absinthe Bar, which can legally serve Absinthe now.

The other thing that changed for the worse is on Bourbon where some local bars didn't reopen and were bought out by Dauquiri's, there are 4 or 5 of them on Bourbon. However, on the plus side, Galatoire's was able to get their entire wait staff back because they hadn't underpaid them as many of the restauranteurs had before they found out taking off to places like Houston where they were treated better.

The eye opener for us was as we watched that American horror story and tragedy unfold was just how many service people in NO were dependent on public transportation and had no other form they could escape in. At one time, I sold Yellow Pages advertising and my territory was the 9th ward and I used to wonder why there weren't many cars there, now I know. I quit the day I got shot at getting out of my car and figured there are just some places I don't belong and that was one of them.....actually, top of the list but still under Beirut, yelling "Hey y'all, I am a pawnbroker, who wants to buy a gun"?

I think all the wards are pretty much gone now if I am not mistaken. I always enjoy going to Port Of Call and getting a burger and a monsoon. I stay away from Bourbon St. at this point kinda of a tourist spot in my opinion even though I love getting a hand grenade but like hitting up the bulldog in uptown. I’m pretty easy on Sunday mornings like I got to work an hour early so I could hit the lake and fish when I get off today lol.

 

[Diehardblues]

Illegal gambling controlled by organized crime is more likely to fix games and taint the sport.

You get the Vegas casinos involved, and they will be running most, if not all, of the sports books around the country and since they're licensed, they would not risk it over a small % of their business.

I really do not see this as close to a reality as they would have to have too many in on a fix like "Eight Men Out" and they were easy pickings because of being underpaid by Comiskey. Today's players make too much to take money for a fix and they'd have to start with the QB's. Not going to happen, the money is not big enough.

Right . The mob isn’t offering Brady or any QB more than his 100 million contract.

The salaries these guys are making has become too big for professional sports interference but not in Amateur sports and why the NCAA is much more concerned.

 

[dogunwo]

The NFL knew this was coming as it is unconstitutional and their lawyers know that. They opposed it so they can still wear the white hats against gambling but they know it cannot do anything but help their sport. Just as fantasy helped the NFL, in states where it is legalized, that will help as well. They need to stop the bleeding of viewers and letting people legally bet will help that.

The NFL pretends to be pure and tries to sell that, but they are not very progressive. They will wait until the stigma is completely gone before supporting anything with gambling. The NBA has been out in front of this gambling thing already, even pushing to allow gambling at the arena. The NFL is the most popular sport, but it isn't because of how it is run.

 

[CouchCoach]

I bet you aren't serious

I bet he is. OK lockster, who's right, we've got a bet riding on this.

 

[CouchCoach]

Right . The mob isn’t offering Brady or any QB more than his 100 million contract.

The salaries these guys are making has become too big for professional sports interference but not in Amateur sports and why the NCAA is much more concerned.

Hey Greg, there's our answer. When either Arkansas or Baylor blows a game, we can blame the mob. I look forward to blaming somebody new because they fired everybody I was blaming.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hey Greg, there's our answer. When either Arkansas or Baylor blows a game, we can blame the mob. I look forward to blaming somebody new because they fired everybody I was blaming.

Looks like football is done at Baylor. We’re back to our normal dormant place hoping for a miracle on the brazos. Lol

But seats are cheap and plentiful.

My baby brothers youngest daughter is considering Arkansas. They went there for an official visit. It’s where I wanted to go.