Surtain-might not be in the team's plans

[Cowboyny]

I have heard the same things. I think Surtain is Diggs 2.0, he can play well, but may not fit the mold they're after. They can get away with 1 good CB who isn't fast but feel they need to have 1 that can fly to pair with him. Which sounds like a good philosophy but may be a mistake in the long run. I do think they'd be thrilled to have him fall to them in the 2nd like Diggs did.

If they both some how get to 10 I think they take Farley. If Farley's gone and Sutain is there, there is still a chance they take him. Parsons could be in the mix as well, but given those 2 choices, I think they would serious look to trade out of the spot or perhaps take Slater as suggested.

I agree, if Farley/Surtain are there, they would lean towards Farley. Just last yr, they really liked CJ Henderson, who has similar, athletic traits as Farley.

You cannot fully rule out not taking Surtain, but it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to pass him if available on the clock.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Can Surtain help this defense?
Yes.
Can Farley help this defense?
Yes.
Can Horn help this defense?
Yes.

Will any of them be available at 10?

Ah that's the rub...

 

[Cowboyny]

Can Surtain help this defense?
Yes.
Can Farley help this defense?
Yes.
Can Horn help this defense?
Yes.

Will any of them be available at 10?

Ah that's the rub...

It's very possible all with be there or at least 2 of them. None of the three are considered so called blue chip prospects. If they were, you would see them inside the top 5.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I've read/heard from multiple people in regards to Whitt liking elite size/speed for the position, not the typical zone corner of the past. Just look at last year's draft as an indicator under Quinn/Whitt with the Falcons. They drafted AJ Terrell from Clemson who had size and 4.4 speed at the position.

Whitt's not the only person with input to who's picked. He may crave speed but the other coaches and the scouting staff will have a big say in who they get.

Not saying it won't happen, just noting it's not a certainly or even a near certainty at this point....

 

[Cowboyny]

Whitt's not the only person with input to who's picked. He may crave speed but the other coaches and the scouting staff will have a big say in who they get.

Not saying it won't happen, just noting it's not a certainly or even a near certainty at this point....

I like all 3 players, just basing my opinion on what I have heard/read and how the front office has recently drafted the position. They love those elite athletes and have gone in that direction over quality football players in the past.

 

[Hardline]

If he is there at 10 its pretty much guaranteed he's the pick.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think you’re right about the type of corners that are ideal for the scheme. Premier speed is not a requisite trait in Cover 3 for corners. Length is a benefit as well as having CBS that can tackle. Look at the corners the Seahawks were trotting out in Seattle’s heyday: Sherman, Browner, Maxwell (I’m not sure what happened in the Atlanta).

He inherited Trufant and Alford from Mike Smith. Outside of Kazee (who switched to Safety) and Terrell, I cant remember a CB they drafted with Quinn there

 

[beware_d-ware]

I wouldn't doubt at all that the NFL covets Farley over Surtain, but Surtain has two years of lights-out tape to show and plays a premium position. He may end up being CB2 or even CB3, but ultimately he's not going to fall very far.

 

[dwmyers]

I think you’re right about the type of corners that are ideal for the scheme. Premier speed is not a requisite trait in Cover 3 for corners. Length is a benefit as well as having CBS that can tackle. Look at the corners the Seahawks were trotting out in Seattle’s heyday: Sherman, Browner, Maxwell (I’m not sure what happened in the Atlanta).

ATL issue: In a word, injuries in the backfield.

 

[Future]

He inherited Trufant and Alford from Mike Smith. Outside of Kazee (who switched to Safety) and Terrell, I cant remember a CB they drafted with Quinn there

In 6 drafts, they drafted a corner in the first or second round 3 times.

 

[Cowboyny]

I wouldn't doubt at all that the NFL covets Farley over Surtain, but Surtain has two years of lights-out tape to show and plays a premium position. He may end up being CB2 or even CB3, but ultimately he's not going to fall very far.

It's the floor/ceiling, where many teams draft more on traits, then actual production. Surtain, no doubt is a top 15 pick.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think you’re right about the type of corners that are ideal for the scheme. Premier speed is not a requisite trait in Cover 3 for corners. Length is a benefit as well as having CBS that can tackle. Look at the corners the Seahawks were trotting out in Seattle’s heyday: Sherman, Browner, Maxwell (I’m not sure what happened in the Atlanta).

Dug a little bit. Before Terrell, Quinn spent 2nd rounders on Jalen Collins and Isaiah Oliver. They were 6'-6'1 and ran about a 4.5 They didnt take anyone else in the top 90 under Quinn

 

[darthseinfeld]

In 6 drafts, they drafted a corner in the first or second round 3 times.

I just looked them up. Both their 2nd rounders had similar dimensions and speed.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

It's almost entirely based on technique and anticipation. Unless a corner is actually faster than the receiver he's covering, he'll lose a foot race on a 9 every time.

Yes and even the fastest receivers need time to get down the field, when people talk about needing a speedy receiver they're really saying they want to see more deep passes. Everybody likes the 50 yard bomb for a touchdown, exciting.

A good pass rush doesn't give the receiver time to get 30-40 yards down the field, 40 times in the combine are of course in shorts and shirt, one a fast track, from blocks. Few if any players run the same time wearing 20-25 lbs of gear, so they need even more time.

Can't look at cornerbacks by themselves, there are other players involved...

 

[Cowboyny]

Dug a little bit. Before Terrell, Quinn spent 2nd rounders on Jalen Collins and Isaiah Oliver. They were 6'-6'1 and ran about a 4.5 They didnt take anyone else in the top 90 under Quinn

Quinn/Whitt were only together last yr, were they selected Terrell.

 

[Beaker42]

You can count the guy with elite length / speed on one hand in this draft...Farley...maybe Meli.

If it’s gong to be a heavy zone scheme I think the long speed drops off and he’s likely going to be looking for long, physical corners who can click and close.

I actually think Surtain / Horn are better suited for this as I’m not sure they have that deep speed.

Cnu who are the other DB’s coming out who have above avg speed maybe not elite?

 

[AsthmaField]

I think people are under rating Surtain’s speed. His pro day will tell us more obviously but his play does not show a 4.5 guy.

I think his foot speed is plenty fast and with his smarts and football knowledge along with his CB instincts (which him and his father have been working on since grade school), he is going to be a great player.

In my opinion, Dallas and Quinn/Whitt won’t shy away from Surtain. I understand what you’re saying about Farley’s speed, and perhaps they do prefer him... but they might also prefer Surtain, and I just can’t see the team not wanting a guy like that in their secondary.

We’re going to just have to wait on the pro days to know better.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Also... one wild card for Surtain is going to be the not-Combine this year. The question everyone has about him is speed, but we have no idea how accurate the times recorded this year are going to be.

 

[AsthmaField]

Also... one wild card for Surtain is going to be the not-Combine this year. The question everyone has about him is speed, but we have no idea how accurate the times recorded this year are going to be.

That is both 100% true and 100% unfortunate.

Teams should have a pretty good idea but fans rely a lot on those combine times. The teams will be able to watch the guys in their drills and have a pretty good idea of how the guys run. I’m sure they would like a standardized 40 time but they will know who can move and who can’t.

The 3-cone and short shuttle can tell teams a lot too.

It sucks big-time that they aren’t having the combine though.

 

[Future]

Also... one wild card for Surtain is going to be the not-Combine this year. The question everyone has about him is speed, but we have no idea how accurate the times recorded this year are going to be.

Eh, lots of corners don't run and even more skip the shuttle and 3-cone anyway.

Surtain has nothing to gain by running, so I doubt he would have anyway.