T.O. Didn't make the HOF

Maxmadden

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Personally, I wouldn't vote him in. Awesome athletic ability, awesome "Me Stats" average hands, and a cancer. Just not my idea what a HOF wide receiver should be, althought there are lesser talents already voted in. Just not my standard.
 

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I could care less about averages. Check out the yards and TDs. It's T.O. by a mile. A MILE.

And I could care less what you think matters most. Yd's and TD's by a MILE? LOL! Owens has ONLY 642 more yds. BIG SHOCK. He had 96 more catches, meaning he was targeted more. And MOSS has more td's. 156 to OWENS 153. I'm done.
 

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From a performance standpoint, he definitely should have made it. But are stats the only thing that matters?

When you are statistically the second best player to ever play your position, no they shouldn't.

I could understand if TO was a guy who didn't rank as high statistically but he is the second best that didn't even have hall of fame quarterbacks throwing to him for the majority of his career.
 

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It's very well-known that T.O. got along great with most of his teammates.

A few months after the Eagles exiled him in 2005 because of his issues with his contract and Donovan McNabb, he had a birthday party. Nineteen teammates attended.

And if you saw "Hard Knocks" in 2008, you'd have seen how many of his teammates gravitated towards him. Love him or hate him, he was a leader who was generally well-liked.

His issue was actually being too much of a leader, and thus splitting the locker room when he would inevitably run into problems with his QB/offense.

TO's selfishness caused a rift with 3 different teams. I don't think Jeff Garcia thought he was a good teammate or too much of a leader. He's a talented guy, no doubt about that. But he was a locker room cancer.
 

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Both T.O. and Moss deserve to be first ballot Hall of Famers. Both great receivers. Their stats are practically even and they both had ".issues", although I bet Moss will get in on his first attempt (unless Joe Buck is in the room). It's a shame that some writers with agendas get to decide.
 

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And I could care less what you think matters most. Yd's and TD's by a MILE? LOL! Owens has ONLY 642 more yds. BIG SHOCK. He had 96 more catches, meaning he was targeted more. And MOSS has more td's. 156 to OWENS 153. I'm done.

Uh Moss has more tds and about 700 less yards. That's not by a mile.

Didn't realize Moss had closed the gap that much.

I stand corrected, gentlemen.

Still think T.O is a 1st ballot HOFer.
 

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T.O. is an attention ***** locker room cancer that should never have even gotten this far in the HoF process. Thank god the system worked and he finally got eliminated. I just pray we dodge the same bullet in the coming years. Stats are not all that is taken into consideration. The system worked!!
 

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T.O. is an attention ***** locker room cancer that should never have even gotten this far in the HoF process. Thank god the system worked and he finally got eliminated. I just pray we dodge the same bullet in the coming years. Stats are not all that is taken into consideration. The system worked!!

Aren't you the same genius that thinks we need to trade Dez? That's all I need to know.
 

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Owens should have gotten in. He was a tool as a person and teammate, but was a tremendous player, and the best player on the field that day in the one Super Bowl that he played in.

I also think that Harrison should have made it, as well as Kevin Greene (produced with multiple teams), Dick Stanfel (won two championships with the Lions, all decade player in the 1950's, and was a very good OL coach with the Bears) and Orlando Pace.

I don't think that Eddie DeBartolo (no owner should be in the HOF, unless they made contributions to better or change the game - he did none of this, but his teams won in the 80s), Tony Dungy (good coach, but not HOF level), or Ken Stabler should have made it. Stabler was an exciting player, and an icon of a player, but if you look closely, he had four good seasons (4 seasons with a QB rating higher than 80). As romanticized as he is as a player, he's not HOF worthy if you really look at it closely. If Terrell Davis gets dinged for not playing/producing long enough, then the same scrutiny should be applied to Stabler, even though he managed to play 15 seasons.

I think Kurt Warner and Owens should have made it tonight.
 

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Aren't you the same genius that thinks we need to trade Dez? That's all I need to know.

Do you have a problem with freedom of speech... does it offend you? You don't have to agree with me, you could just ignore if you disagree but instead you can't resist your compulsion to tell off someone that thinks different. Tolerance is not your strong point... FYI.
 

skinsscalper

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Do you have a problem with freedom of speech... does it offend you? You don't have to agree with me, you could just ignore if you disagree but instead you can't resist your compulsion to tell off someone that thinks different. Tolerance is not your strong point... FYI.

I love freedom of speech. In fact, it's a great tool in identifying those who have opinions that are worthy of consideration or not.

I'm not sure where I "told you off" but que sera sera.

Tolerance isn't a virtue I strive for on a football message board, so, there's that.
 

JoeKing

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I love freedom of speech. In fact, it's a great tool in identifying those who have opinions that are worthy of consideration or not.

I'm not sure where I "told you off" but que sera sera.

Tolerance isn't a virtue I strive for on a football message board, so, there's that.

But you insist on me agreeing with you or I'm going to get an ear full of your disapproval. Since you have appointed yourself the purveyor of opinions that are worthy of consideration then you obviously would like me to be silenced. Your love of freedom of speech sounds insincere.
 

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Don't think Moss or TO are first ballot HOFers in today's pass happy game.
Can't compare to Jerry Rice whom for much of his career could get mugged.
 
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