T.O.s departure means more work for the RBs

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It's a fzct. Teams, if they are smart, will man to man RW and Crayton and lay a safety and a LB on Witten.

And the rest will key on our RBs.

When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps, you can count on our O line and RB having to do a lot more work. So much for offensive diversity.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2680373 said:
It's a fzct. Teams, if they are smart, will man to man RW and Crayton and lay a safety and a LB on Witten.

And the rest will key on our RBs.

When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps, you can count on our O line and RB having to do a lot more work. So much for offensive diversity.
Come on the big bad wolf is gone and everything is gonna be alright, you did'nt get the memo?
This whole thing is about 1 player wanting another player gone when said fore player was the only reason the other player had any success to begin with, but hey the cancer is now in remisssion so we shall see.But you are right about the double teams and poor oline play.
 

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I dont think our receiving core is medicore.


RW11 and Witten should do some damage.
Austin can be a deep guy.... maybe.
 

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You act as if there will be zero passing game. McNabb doesn't have a Roy Williams, doesn't have a Jason Witten, and yet still puts up very good passing yards. He has probably the worst bunch of WRs in the league, and if he can be successful, than I think Romo can be successful when you look at the weapons he has. We have Roy, Witten, Crayton, Austin, Barber, Jones, and Choice, and we don't even know if we will add anyone else via free agency or draft. And really, if you look at our players on offense, you can make a very good comparison to a team that just recently won a super bowl....the Giants.

I'd like to see us run some more, but I don't think our WRs are mediocre.
 

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Dcz84;2680422 said:
Come on the big bad wolf is gone and everything is gonna be alright, you did'nt get the memo?
This whole thing is about 1 player wanting another player gone when said fore player was the only reason the other player had any success to begin with, but hey the cancer is now in remisssion so we shall see.But you are right about the double teams and poor oline play.
........Are you trying to say that T.O made Tony Romo? LMAO! Get real, learn a little something about the history of actual championship level WINNING FOOTBALL. There are decades worth of proof that would say you are dead wrong. Its is the QB that makes the w.r, not the other way around in most cases. Actually, when it comes to the 4 skill positions on offense....QB, R.B, WR, and TE......W.R comes in 3rd on the list of overall importance in relationship to winning football. NFL GMs would agree as thats how salaries are slotted in most cases. Now.....heres something thats VERYtelling. T.O is almost 36 years old. That means he has 1 or 2 LEGIT seasons left in him. T.O has said over and over again he wants a chance at a ring. I believe him too. Yet.........he signed with the Bills where he has ZERO shot at a ring. This tells the world that NONE of the contending teams wanted him. For if they did, he would be with one of them today instead of lining up for the Bills. Just the truth of it.
 

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Far too many of the younger fans havent had a chance to see what real NFL football looked like in the not so distant past. D.B's of the modern era have been totally hamstrung by the league office. They did this to promote passing/scoring, which leads to more excitement, which leads to more fans, which leads to MORE MONEY.:) With these new rules NFL defenses have been forced to change how they defend w.r's. Nowadays ZONES are far more the norm then they EVER were in the past. This allows w.r's to run unaccosted thru open holes in a zone defense. REAL BIG CHALLENGE THERE...:rolleyes: I bring this up to make a point. In most cases it is the QB that makes the W.R, not the other way around. NFL gm's, you know, the guys that ACTUALLY BUILD NFL teams would seem to overwhelmingly agree with me too based upon how salaries are slotted for different positions. Ever notice how SO CALLED game changing w.r's always seem to have bigtime QB's throwing them the ball? Ever notice how certain teams like say Chicago never seem to have any bigtime receivers? Its because they dont have the elite QB dummy!...LOL Ever notice what happens to w.rs that have big years playing with great QB's and leave in freeagency only to go to teams without a good QB? They usually do SQUAT. Alvin Harper/Javon Walker, I could go on and on. Take Tom Brady for instance........VERY pedestrian receiving corp yet he won trophy after trophy. The one year he did have a so called elite w.r they lost...Ironic isnt it. My point in all this? Its wayyyyyyyyyyy more about the Q.B then it is about the W.R. Not even close in fact. Were gonna be just fine without T.O. Heck,.....when considering the 4 skill positions on offense Qb, RB, W.R and TE, W.r comes in THIRD on the list for overall importance in relationship to WINNING games. Some may disagree with me, fact is.......History and the ACTUAL FACTS support my case.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2680373 said:
It's a fzct. Teams, if they are smart, will man to man RW and Crayton and lay a safety and a LB on Witten.

And the rest will key on our RBs.

When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps, you can count on our O line and RB having to do a lot more work. So much for offensive diversity.

I hope they do man up on Williams if they do I think he will have big year.
 

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In truth, championship level football has ALWAYS been alot more about running the ball,stopping the run, solid defense, limiting turnovers, and controlling the clock then it ever was about passing the ball. Not saying passing isnt important, it surely is. But it has to work in tandem with the other things ive named. All I know is there is about a CENTURY worth of evidence to support what im saying. Overwhelming evidence. If some dont believe it after all that.......they arent ever going to believe it....:rolleyes:
 

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I get the distinct feeling that SOME fans would have actually preferred we get rid of Romo, Witten, and Garrett to keep a 36 year old DECLINING receiver that has been KICKED out of every NFL team he has ever been on. Oh yeah, real brilliant stuff there. Yep....all good teams do things like that..:rolleyes: Sarcasm off.
 

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Time to kick the dust off my feet and move on. On this thread or any other. But know this.........any fan on this site or any other that actually knows a little something about football agrees with me. Not that im all that smart or anything, surely im not. Its just that when the facts and truth are on your side its really pretty easy. :D
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2680373 said:
When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps
Obviously because there is no way we are going to upgrade our WR corps between now and six months from now when the season actually begins.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2680373 said:
It's a fzct. Teams, if they are smart, will man to man RW and Crayton and lay a safety and a LB on Witten.

And the rest will key on our RBs.

When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps, you can count on our O line and RB having to do a lot more work. So much for offensive diversity.

And then there will be 7 guys in the box.

So... that's not really stopping the run...
 

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Avenging Hayseed;2680447 said:
In truth, championship level football has ALWAYS been alot more about running the ball,stopping the run, solid defense, limiting turnovers, and controlling the clock then it ever was about passing the ball. Not saying passing isnt important, it surely is. But it has to work in tandem with the other things ive named. All I know is there is about a CENTURY worth of evidence to support what im saying. Overwhelming evidence. If some dont believe it after all that.......they arent ever going to believe it....:rolleyes:



And yet the last two SB's have been decided by WR play.
- Giants Tyrell/Plaxico
- Steelers Holmes
 

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it's not a fzct, fxct or even a FACT.

if jason was an actual genius he'd utilize our fine trio of RBs, all-NFL TE and other TE plus our 3 very capable WRs.

the only thing mediocre is many fans sensationalism and our team's leadership, coaches, GM & owner.

GimmeTheBall!;2680373 said:
It's a fzct. Teams, if they are smart, will man to man RW and Crayton and lay a safety and a LB on Witten.

And the rest will key on our RBs.

When teams see our suddenly mediocre receiving corps, you can count on our O line and RB having to do a lot more work. So much for offensive diversity.
 

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YoMick;2680480 said:
And yet the last two SB's have been decided by WR play.
- Giants Tyrell/Plaxico
- Steelers Holmes

And both those team use a lot of running of the ball to setup their passing. No doubt passing is important but being able to control the football via the run takes pressure off the QB to a certain extent as well as keeping defense off balance and wearing a defense down. If a defense is having a ball shoved down the throat constantly it becomes much easier hitting them with the big pass plays as LB and Safeties starting bitting on the run.
 

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Doomsday101;2680443 said:
I hope they do man up on Williams if they do I think he will have big year.

I don't think RW, new in the offense, will get that much respect to get double coverage.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2680602 said:
I don't think RW, new in the offense, will get that much respect to get double coverage.

I think RW with a full offseason working with Romo will show why he was drafted as high as he was. RW has very good skills and if he is willing to put in the work as it seems he is right now then I think RW will produce big time on this team. So if teams want to single him fine I think Romo and RW will eat their lunch for doing it.
 

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Doomsday101;2680551 said:
And both those team use a lot of running of the ball to setup their passing. No doubt passing is important but being able to control the football via the run takes pressure off the QB to a certain extent as well as keeping defense off balance and wearing a defense down. If a defense is having a ball shoved down the throat constantly it becomes much easier hitting them with the big pass plays as LB and Safeties starting bitting on the run.


When it came to crunch time and needing a score it was WR's... not the running game. Thats my only point. They all made spectacular plays. Running back/game had nothing to do with at that point.

Your philosophy - I agree.
In this case - see my point.
 

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DallasEast;2679905 said:
Losing a number one wide receiver equals loss of touchdown production which also means that an offense cannot be successful. Or so it has been repeated implied.

The attached PDF file contains the following info:
  • Players who were ranked in the top 50 of touchdowns scored per regular season & grouped by the team they played for
  • Each team's regular season record
  • Each team's total number of touchdowns scored
  • How each team's season ended
  • Each players' position along with the number of receptions, yards, etc., accumulated
  • How many receiving touchdowns each player scored
  • What percentage of receiving touchdowns each player scored in relation to total number of touchdowns scored by the team
The PDF is 35 pages long. Should Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Jason Witten and/or Martellus Bennett have even moderate success catching touchdowns as a group, the offense can be very effective... just as other successful offenses have during the past decade. Here's the file:

TopReceiverProduction.pdf
.......
 

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YoMick;2680620 said:
When it came to crunch time and needing a score it was WR's... not the running game. Thats my only point. They all made spectacular plays. Running back/game had nothing to do with at that point.

Your philosophy - I agree.
In this case - see my point.

I'm not diminishing the importance of a passing game, hell late in the game when you are trailing as was the case in NY and Pitt you will have to go to the air. I will add at crunch time the defenses will start showing the wear and tear that the running game has caused.
 
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