T.Y. Hilton just got $39MM guaranteed

[Super_Kazuya]

I wonder if a "smurf" type receiver has ever gotten a contract like this? An elite No. 1 needs to have a complete game, and part of that for the modern NFL is to go up and grab short-yardage "jump ball" TDs. Hilton is mostly just fast.

 

[casmith07]

Jim Irsay's on that stuff.

That being said, the draft is such an unknown that if you have a good one, pay him.

 

[perrykemp]

He's a niche player. A Desean JAckson type. Guys like that are not worth big dollars imo even though they make for some fantastic ESPN highlights.

I disagree.

Jackson is about big plays. When I watch Hilton I see a guy who can get open, move the chains, AND go deep. He is much more multi-faceted.

A general theme I've noticed here on CZ is that folks have trouble respecting the game of players who aren't Dez big body types. It's very easy to get caught up in touchdown count and discount the high level of every-down productivity of some of the smaller 5'10" type receivers like Antonio Brown, Ty Hilton, Randall Cobb.

Ty Hilton has had very good regular season stats, and beyond that has had 28 receptions for 538 yards the past 2 years in the playoffs. Think about that for a minute -- 28 receptions and 528 yards (5 games total). Thats is unbelievably consistent productivity from a WR position. Superstar numbers.

Like Brown (although I don't think he is in Brown's league), Hilton is able to get himself consistently open despite double teams, and personally I enjoy watching him play.

 

[perrykemp]

I wonder if a "smurf" type receiver has ever gotten a contract like this? An elite No. 1 needs to have a complete game, and part of that for the modern NFL is to go up and grab short-yardage "jump ball" TDs. Hilton is mostly just fast.

Is a "jump ball" TD worth more than the ability to shake a defender (or two) loose on a critical 3rd and 5 play?

You don't get to the redzone unless you can accumulate enough 1st downs to move between the 20s.

The Antonio Browns, Ty Hiltons and Randall Cobbs of the world are all roughly 5-10, 180-190 lb range and and all of them were uber productive last year. If anything, we are seeing a resurgence of smaller WRs moving into the Top 10 receiver group vs previous years where it was dominated by 6-1 to 6-4 big body type WRs.

 

[John813]

Hilton is a great player.

May of overpaid, but not by much at all.

He may not out jump defenders for a jump ball, but he sure can stretch the field.

 

[Seven]

What IS 39MM?

Is that Ma-Million?

 

[mattjames2010]

Is a "jump ball" TD worth more than the ability to shake a defender (or two) loose on a critical 3rd and 5 play?

You don't get to the redzone unless you can accumulate enough 1st downs to move between the 20s.

The Antonio Browns, Ty Hiltons and Randall Cobbs of the world are all roughly 5-10, 180-190 lb range and and all of them were uber productive last year. If anything, we are seeing a resurgence of smaller WRs moving into the Top 10 receiver group vs previous years where it was dominated by 6-1 to 6-4 big body type WRs.

You kinda said it yourself though, Hilton isn't in the same league as Brown. Brown deserves this kind of contract, Hilton has had one year of big production in a league full of WRs who produce. Randall Cobb is a far more diverse player and had trouble getting a big contract from the Packers.

He's now the 4th highest paid WR in the league. Sorry, his production has not come anywhere close to earning a contract like this.

 

[speedkilz88]

I disagree.

Jackson is about big plays. When I watch Hilton I see a guy who can get open, move the chains, AND go deep. He is much more multi-faceted.

A general theme I've noticed here on CZ is that folks have trouble respecting the game of players who aren't Dez big body types. It's very easy to get caught up in touchdown count and discount the high level of every-down productivity of some of the smaller 5'10" type receivers like Antonio Brown, Ty Hilton, Randall Cobb.

Ty Hilton has had very good regular season stats, and beyond that has had 28 receptions for 538 yards the past 2 years in the playoffs. Think about that for a minute -- 28 receptions and 528 yards (5 games total). Thats is unbelievably consistent productivity from a WR position. Superstar numbers.

Like Brown (although I don't think he is in Brown's league), Hilton is able to get himself consistently open despite double teams, and personally I enjoy watching him play.

They are all ideal #2 receivers but for a #1 a big guy like Dez is the ideal.

 

[perrykemp]

They are all ideal #2 receivers but for a #1 a big guy like Dez is the ideal.

Why?

 

[speedkilz88]

Why?

You do realize the bigger guys have always been much more difficult to take out of a game coverage wise than a smaller speed type right? What Michael Irvin did someone like Joey Galloway could not do. But a Joey Galloway could also stretch out a defense with his speed, so their is merit to having a speedy #2.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Is a "jump ball" TD worth more than the ability to shake a defender (or two) loose on a critical 3rd and 5 play?

You don't get to the redzone unless you can accumulate enough 1st downs to move between the 20s.

The Antonio Browns, Ty Hiltons and Randall Cobbs of the world are all roughly 5-10, 180-190 lb range and and all of them were uber productive last year. If anything, we are seeing a resurgence of smaller WRs moving into the Top 10 receiver group vs previous years where it was dominated by 6-1 to 6-4 big body type WRs.

A reasonable question. I think the point is that someone like Dez, while not as shifty quick as an elite slot guy, can still be stuck in the slot and do a reasonable approximation of one. But Hilton will always be a smurf. I admittedly don't watch many Colts games, so maybe I'm wrong and his size is not an issue and he is out there beating press coverage and jumping over defensive backs for scores. But for my money a #1 receiver would have that in his game.

 

[LandryFan]

What IS 39MM?

Is that Ma-Million?

I I I th th think s so

 

[Doomsday]

Definitely over paid, he should of been in the Maclin / Cobb type money in my opinion.

Makes the Dez / D. Thomas deals look really good now.

 

[jrumann59]

I wonder if a "smurf" type receiver has ever gotten a contract like this? An elite No. 1 needs to have a complete game, and part of that for the modern NFL is to go up and grab short-yardage "jump ball" TDs. Hilton is mostly just fast.

That is why I thought D Thomas contract was funny. Demaryius is great receiver until the team gets into the redzone and the team goes away from him unless its bubble screen or something. He is not a huge redzone receiver. D Thomas may be taller than TY but they have the same game.

 

[Doomsday]

You do realize the bigger guys have always been much more difficult to take out of a game coverage wise than a smaller speed type right? What Michael Irvin did someone like Joey Galloway could not do. But a Joey Galloway could also stretch out a defense with his speed, so their is merit to having a speedy #2.

I prefer larger WRs on the outside but the same could be said of Galloway over Irvin though as well. Not to mention A. Brown is one of the best outside WRs in the game and he is fairly small.

 

[perrykemp]

You do realize the bigger guys have always been much more difficult to take out of a game coverage wise than a smaller speed type right? What Michael Irvin did someone like Joey Galloway could not do. But a Joey Galloway could also stretch out a defense with his speed, so their is merit to having a speedy #2.

Is it easier to take Antonio Brown out of a game than Dez Bryant? I've seen enough Steelers games to see that teams do all sorts of things to try to slow the guy down with little success.

Obviously it's easier to throw red-zone TDs to someone like Dez Bryant, but in the end game what I am really wondering is if that is anymore valuable in the grand scheme of things of being shifty, fast, an excellent route runner, and the ability to separate and put distance between the WR and the coverage.

I look at the WR1s for the last 5 Superbowl champions and none of them had a WR who was more than 6-1 and majority of the them where less than 6 foot:

• 2014 NE, Edelman, 5-10
• 2013 Seattle Tate, 5-10
• 2012 Baltimore Boldin, 6-1
• 2011 Giants Cruz 6-0
• 2010 GB Jennings, 5-11

Best I can tell none of these deals lamented the fact that their leading WRs weren't a 6-3, 215 jump ball receiver.

 

[tyke1doe]

Who is that?

 

[CATCH17]

I disagree.

Jackson is about big plays. When I watch Hilton I see a guy who can get open, move the chains, AND go deep. He is much more multi-faceted.

A general theme I've noticed here on CZ is that folks have trouble respecting the game of players who aren't Dez big body types. It's very easy to get caught up in touchdown count and discount the high level of every-down productivity of some of the smaller 5'10" type receivers like Antonio Brown, Ty Hilton, Randall Cobb.

Ty Hilton has had very good regular season stats, and beyond that has had 28 receptions for 538 yards the past 2 years in the playoffs. Think about that for a minute -- 28 receptions and 528 yards (5 games total). Thats is unbelievably consistent productivity from a WR position. Superstar numbers.

Like Brown (although I don't think he is in Brown's league), Hilton is able to get himself consistently open despite double teams, and personally I enjoy watching him play.

I respect receivers all shapes and sizes. I pom pom'd Cole Beasley when Cowboyszone was drooling over Andre Holmes.

The problem I had with TY Hilton is the Colts don't keep him on the field because they themselves prefer bigger receivers in their base set.

You pay the guy like a #1 receiver then he better be on the field at all times but in years past, in their base set, TY was sidelined and not involved in the game.

I've owned him in fantasy and he is just feast or famine like all small guys.

 

[erod]

Meanwhile, the Colts' offensive line is still crap, and the defense sucks.

 

[tyke1doe]

He's a niche player. A Desean JAckson type. Guys like that are not worth big dollars imo even though they make for some fantastic ESPN highlights.

I don't understand this post. If a player provides a valuable niche, why not reward him?
Hilton provides a speed element to the Colts offense. He's a valuable player.
Truth be told, every player with a specific position is a "niche" player, unless I'm misunderstanding your use of the word "niche."