Tag Leary?

Idgit · Feb 28, 2017

Leary is not a special player. And his replacement is already on the roster. Backfill his position in the draft and spend the resources on defense.

Toruk_Makto · Feb 28, 2017

Collins played two games last year. And Zeke was bad in both. Running in every direction. People put that all on Collins where in reality the game just slowed for Zeke and he started being more patient. Suddenly everyone attributes that to Leary. Collins has more upside and needs game experience. Playing between Smith and Fred he'll get that game experience and won't be a liability. He's cheaper and cost controlled for two seasons. Bid Leary farewell and take your comp pick in a year.

Derinyar · Feb 28, 2017

Toruk_Makto said:
Collins played two games last year. And Zeke was bad in both. Running in every direction. People put that all on Collins where in reality the game just slowed for Zeke and he started being more patient. Suddenly everyone attributes that to Leary. Collins has more upside and needs game experience. Playing between Smith and Fred he'll get that game experience and won't be a liability. He's cheaper and cost controlled for two seasons. Bid Leary farewell and take your comp pick in a year.

Imagine that, a player who missed most of camp with injury and got virtually no snaps in the preseason took a couple of games to get going once the lights turned on. It probably didn't hurt that Dak kept getting more comfortable also. Leary is a good guard who many here are talking about like he's Zack Martin's equal, a guy you can't afford to lose. Collins might not be as good, or another year in he might be the same or better, but he's going to cost something like 3.5 million for two years as opposed to something more like 15+ million in cap space. I don't think Leary is that much better then Collins.

conner01 · Feb 28, 2017

big dog cowboy said:
Hell no. He is barely a top 20 OG in the NFL. You don't tag those guys.

BTW Spencer getting tagged won't have anything to do with how Leary gets handled.

You use tag when you don't have a replacement standing by. With spencer that was the case but not with Leary

erod · Feb 28, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
Collins who is cheaper already took over the left guard spot from Leary last year.....and you can't pay everyone on the offensive line especially with Martin already due a contract after next year....

Leary is substantially better than Collins. Not even close.

Toruk_Makto · Feb 28, 2017

Idgit said:
Leary is not a special player. And his replacement is already on the roster. Backfill his position in the draft and spend the resources on defense.

Why do people make this complicated?

The Quest for Six · Feb 28, 2017

erod said:
Leary is substantially better than Collins. Not even close.

Leary doesn't pull as well, Leary can't get to the second and third level and when he actually does, he's bending and reaching....the notion that Leary is substantially better than Collins is laughable.

Irvin88_4life · Feb 28, 2017

Derinyar said:
Imagine that, a player who missed most of camp with injury and got virtually no snaps in the preseason took a couple of games to get going once the lights turned on. It probably didn't hurt that Dak kept getting more comfortable also. Leary is a good guard who many here are talking about like he's Zack Martin's equal, a guy you can't afford to lose. Collins might not be as good, or another year in he might be the same or better, but he's going to cost something like 3.5 million for two years as opposed to something more like 15+ million in cap space. I don't think Leary is that much better then Collins.

Because leary isn't better then Collins. Just in the minds of some who don't watch the games and throw stuff at a wall. These folks are the same ones that like to complain about everything the Cowboys do.

Collins is much better and has room to get even better.

Idgit · Feb 28, 2017

Toruk_Makto said:
Why do people make this complicated?

They fall in love with the idea of the big uglies, I guess. But Collins was always Leary's replacement. The real ability a team needs is the ability to identify and add talent to develop just like we did with Leary. Find another UDFA guy you reportedly have a 3rd or 5th round grade on or whatever it was and develop him.

And I like Leary more than Collins, honestly. Just not enough more that it overrides the contract situation, youth, and degenerative knee problem/back issues. But Zack Martin is a special player. Ronald Leary is a guy you're thrilled you found, but not a player you're going to overpay, not somebody you're going to cut another starter for, and certainly not somebody you're going to consider franchising.

Alexander · Mar 2, 2017

xwalker · Mar 2, 2017

robjay04 said:
The Giants could've let JPP walk and used that money to add a couple needed pieces on their OL. They knew that they had no intention on ever signing JPP long term but they decided to keep the strength of their team together for one more season.

This free agency period sucks, this is easily one of the worst classes I have ever seen. At the rate things are going, Leary may be the best player on the market. Any decent player out there is going to be vastly overpaid because of the limited options on the market. At this point, if I am Jerry, I am trying to use whatever leverage I have to sign my own free agents before I touch that market.

The Giants used the tag to keep the strength of their team together for one more season. They would've been fine if they let JPP walk but they are a better team when he is on the field. The same can be said about Leary...we will likely be better if he is on the roster. He is never getting a long term deal with us but the cap is going up and we still have a couple triggers to create more room.

Leary is a better football player than most options on the market. He is not "elite" at his position but neither was Anthony Spencer and we tagged him twice.

I doubt this happens, I obviously know chances are slim but it's worth a discussion as all free agency options are drying up left and right.

OTs drive up the Tag cost for OLinemen. It makes it a bad option for OGs.

Leary's annual average will be about half of the OL tag amount.

ShiningStar · Mar 2, 2017

Leary is like Spencer, good players, you wont miss them when they are gone. Moving on, we have way more arguments to battle than this one.

jterrell · Mar 2, 2017

Irvin88_4life said:
Because leary isn't better then Collins. Just in the minds of some who don't watch the games and throw stuff at a wall. These folks are the same ones that like to complain about everything the Cowboys do.

Collins is much better and has room to get even better.

this is not true according to anyone who actually graded film last year including the cowboys themselves.
leary was an improvement when he came in but we aren't paying him when we have an average replacement making peanuts.
cooper likely gets resigned to be your backup OG and maybe even a starter if Collins moves to RT(where he likely would be better than Ron Leary lol).

jterrell · Mar 2, 2017

xwalker said:
OTs drive up the Tag cost for OLinemen. It makes it a bad option for OGs.

Leary's annual average will be about half of the OL tag amount.

its 9.1 according to spotrac, so close to that yes.

xwalker · Mar 2, 2017

jterrell said:
its 9.1 according to spotrac, so close to that yes.

14.83M is the franchise tag for OL.

Irvin88_4life · Mar 2, 2017

jterrell said:
this is not true according to anyone who actually graded film last year including the cowboys themselves.
leary was an improvement when he came in but we aren't paying him when we have an average replacement making peanuts.
cooper likely gets resigned to be your backup OG and maybe even a starter if Collins moves to RT(where he likely would be better than Ron Leary lol).

So you have seen the Cowboys graded film? Collins is better then Leary and Collins still has room to grow

jterrell · Mar 3, 2017

Irvin88_4life said:
So you have seen the Cowboys graded film? Collins is better then Leary and Collins still has room to grow

No, but I do hear from Broadus, Sham and others what those grades were.
Also hear Travis Frederick say Leary was the toughest guy on the OL and the one he'd least like to fight.

Collins has way more upside and is way cheaper. He can play RT at the least if not LT.
He's way more valuable over time but he was not a better LG than Leary.
If you believe he was you are simply very wrong.

Choosing between Collins or Leary is easy but it's not because Collins is a better OG today.

jterrell · Mar 3, 2017

xwalker said:
14.83M is the franchise tag for OL.

yup so close so half; was agreeing with you and adding the outside evaluation of his value.

phildadon86 · Mar 3, 2017

Toruk_Makto said:
Collins played two games last year. And Zeke was bad in both. Running in every direction. People put that all on Collins where in reality the game just slowed for Zeke and he started being more patient. Suddenly everyone attributes that to Leary. Collins has more upside and needs game experience. Playing between Smith and Fred he'll get that game experience and won't be a liability. He's cheaper and cost controlled for two seasons. Bid Leary farewell and take your comp pick in a year.

Collins has the opportunity and skill to be great. I think we will see a much improved collins this season. Way more upside then leary, without the knee condition

Irvin88_4life · Mar 3, 2017

jterrell said:
No, but I do hear from Broadus, Sham and others what those grades were.
Also hear Travis Frederick say Leary was the toughest guy on the OL and the one he'd least like to fight.

Collins has way more upside and is way cheaper. He can play RT at the least if not LT.
He's way more valuable over time but he was not a better LG than Leary.
If you believe he was you are simply very wrong.

Choosing between Collins or Leary is easy but it's not because Collins is a better OG today.

Leary is a decent player but he isn't better then Collins. Not sure how he got so hyped around here but it's laughable. Leary has a ton of issues if you watch him.

Frederick can say leary is the guy he doesn't want to fight but I bet you leary would lose more then he would win at any of the positions on our line

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