Taking a look at #2 WR's from 2007

[dbair1967]

I did this to show how incredibly lame (and in some cases, just plain stupid) some people are. To suggest that Crayton is a waste of a roster spot or an inadequate player is just ludicrous. His numbers are extremely good compared to other teams #2 WR's, and before some dunce spouts off about how much Dallas threw the ball as a reason for Crayton's reception totals, please think again. We ranked 18th in the NFL in pass attempts last yr. Further, most of these teams didnt have anywhere near the 1-2 combination of Witten and Owens, who combined for 177 receptions, 2500 yds and 22 tds...

Compared to the other #2 guys on this list, Crayton ranked 16th in total receptions, 16th in yds, 11th in yds per catch, 6th in tds and only 5 guys on this list had a longest reception that exceeded Crayton's 59 yds...to say he is just a painfully average player or as in some cases, a major weak link is assinine...nobody can honeslty sit there with a straight face and say they'd take a majority of the guys listed below over Crayton.

I dont think Crayton is by any means a "great" player, or even the IDEAL #2 WR, but he compares very favorably with others and in alot of cases, his numbers are as good or better than most. He is better than alot of people here give him credit for and he has improved every yr he has been in the league.

NFC East

Stats: Receptions, Yards, Avg per catch, TD's, Longest play

Patrick Crayton: 50, 697, 13.9, 7, 59
Amani Toomer: 59, 760, 12.9, 3, 40
Antwan Randel El: 51, 728, 14.3, 1, 54
Reggie Brown: 61, 780, 12.8, 4, 45

NFC North
Greg Jennings: 53, 920, 17.4, 12 82
Sidney Rice: 31, 396, 12.8, 4, 60
Muhsin Muhammad: 40, 570, 14.3, 3, 44
Calvin Johnson: 48, 756, 15.8, 4, 49

NFC South
Ike Hilliard: 62, 722, 11.6, 1, 56
David Patten: 54,792, 14.7, 3, 58
Keary Colbert: 32, 332, 10.4, 0, 43
Michael Jenkins: 53, 532, 10.0, 4, 29

NFC West
Deion Branch: 49, 661, 13.5, 4, 65
Anquan Boldin: 71, 853, 12.0, 9, 44
Darrell Jackson 46, 497, 10.8, 3, 34
Isaac Bruce 55, 733, 13.3, 4, 37

AFC East

Wes Welker: 112, 1175, 10.5, 8, 42
Josh Reed: 51, 578, 11.3, 0, 30
Laverneaus Coles: 55, 646, 11.6, 6, 57
Ted Ginn: 34, 420, 12.4, 2, 54

AFC North

Santonio Holmes: 52, 942, 18.1, 8, 83
Joe Jerevicious: 50, 614, 12.3, 3, 50
TJ Housmanzedah: 112, 1143, 10.2, 12, 42
Mark Clayton: 48, 531, 11.1, 0, 52

AFC South

Anthony Gonzalez: 37, 576, 15.6, 3, 57
Dennis Northcutt: 44, 601, 13.7, 4, 55
Justin Gage: 55, 750, 13.6, 2, 73
Kevin Walter: 65, 800, 12.3, 4, 46

AFC West

Chris Chambers: 35, 555, 15.9, 4, 44
Brandon Stokely: 40, 635, 15.9, 5, 58
Jerry Porter: 44, 705, 16.0, 6, 59
Samie Parker: 24, 298, 12.4, 2, 24

David

 

[Eskimo]

I don't necessarily think the issue with Crayton has been lack of production. I think some of us just want a player with more big play potential to keep defenses more honest with their coverages.

Crayton is an okay #2 but a great #3.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I am curious why Reggie Wayne isn't on the list is it because Harrison was injured because he is their number 2 WR.

Majority would mean 17 players. All your saying is that he is average compared to other #2 WR at his position.

 

[dbair1967]

I am curious why Reggie Wayne isn't on the list is it because Harrison was injured because he is their number 2 WR.

Majority would mean 17 players. All your saying is that he is average compared to other #2 WR at his position.

yes, Harrison missed most of last season. So somebody else had to be the #2 guy right?

I used the guys with the most starts on the team

As for your other comment, considering where we ranked in pass attempts and that we had huge production from 2 other guys in terms of receptions, yds and tds, Crayton's production is better than average. He also ranks in the top half in terms of tds and yds per catch, whcih are extremely important numbers.

David

 

[Hostile]

Without knowing how many times each team threw the ball, to see what % were to each guy it still misses something. For instance, how many times did we throw the ball say versus Pittsburgh who has a similar # of catches? If Pittsburgh threw it a lot less overall than we did then it shows that their #2 WR was more effective than ours.

I like Crayton, I'm just not opposed to improving at that position.

 

[Hoofbite]

The problem I have with Crayton is that he is nothing close to a #1 in the event that he is needed to fill that role.

He will work as a #2 and would dominate as a #3. To say hes good enough that he kills the desire for a true #2 receiver is false.

 

[superpunk]

Well done, sir.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

Crayton ranks 7th out of #2 receivers.

 

[dbair1967]

Without knowing how many times each team threw the ball, to see what % were to each guy it still misses something. For instance, how many times did we throw the ball say versus Pittsburgh who has a similar # of catches? If Pittsburgh threw it a lot less overall than we did then it shows that their #2 WR was more effective than ours.

These 17 teams ranked ahead of us in terms of pass attempts. New Orleans led the league with 652, no other team had more than 590 (two teams). We had 531 pass attempts.

In order- Saints, Seahawks, Cards, Lions, Pats, Packers, Eagles, Bengals, Rams, Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins, Ravens, Falcons, Colts, Browns & Giants. The Giants ranked right ahead of and had 544 pass attempts.

Since you asked about Pittsbrugh, they ranked 31st in pass attempts with 442.

Pass attempts does not mean total pass plays by the way. Sacks count as pass plays and those are not factored in to what I did. The Steelers actually attempted 489 pass plays because they took 47 sacks.

David

 

[DaBoys4Life]

yes, Harrison missed most of last season. So somebody else had to be the #2 guy right?

I used the guys with the most starts on the team

As for your other comment, considering where we ranked in pass attempts and that we had huge production from 2 other guys in terms of receptions, yds and tds, Crayton's production is better than average. He also ranks in the top half in terms of tds and yds per catch, whcih are extremely important numbers.

David

What does the overall pass attempts matter. When X team pass X amount times and Y teams pass Y amount of times however WR A catches = WR B catches.

 

[dbair1967]

He will work as a #2 and would dominate as a #3. To say hes good enough that he kills the desire for a true #2 receiver is false.

I never said he was, I said he wasnt a scrub. Which alot of people seemed to indicate in that other long thread that bashes the crap out of him.

David

 

[dbair1967]

What does the overall pass attempts matter. When X team pass X amount times and Y teams pass Y amount of times however WR A catches = WR B catches.

Huh? You dont get that?

Really?

David

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Huh? You dont get that?

Really?

David

No i don't when Crayton has 50 catches and Calvin Johnson has 48 catches where does X amount of pass attempts matter. If you want to Look at the difference between Welker and Cratyon stats then pass attempts would be a factor maybe. The only way pass attempts could be a factor is if you look at how many times the QB threw at the WR.

 

[Stash]

I never said he was, I said he wasnt a scrub. Which alot of people seemed to indicate in that other long thread that bashes the crap out of him.

David

Which threads said he was a scrub?

I saw one today that said he needed to shut up and that his mouth outweighed his production.

That statement stands.

But I didn't see one that said he was a terrible player that we should cut.

 

[Hostile]

I don't know. I look at number by Housh, Jennings, Boldin, Welker, and wonder, why don't we want our #2 WR to be in that league?

 

[dbair1967]

No i don't when Crayton has 50 catches and Calvin Johnson has 48 catches where does X amount of pass attempts matter. If you want to Look at the difference between Welker and Cratyon stats then pass attempts would be a factor maybe. The only way pass attempts could be a factor is if you look at how many times the QB threw at the WR.

Its really not even worth arguing about since apparently you just dont get it

If team A throws the ball alot more than team B, usually team A completes more passes. Remember teams like Houston, Atlanta and Detroit of the early 90's, the run and shoot teams?

There's alot of factors to consider when comparing, but considering Crayton was at best the 3rd option on a team dominated by two guys (Owens and Witten, and not many teams had that sort of comtination at WR & TE). The Cowboys were one of just 6 teams to have two guys be in the top-25 in the league in total receptions (New Orleans, Philly, Cinic, Cleveland and New England were the others, and in the case of the Saints and Eagles it was a RB & WR)

Crayton didnt have a ton of opportunities, and he still had quality production.

David

 

[dbair1967]

Which threads said he was a scrub?

I saw one today that said he needed to shut up and that his mouth outweighed his production.

That statement stands.

But I didn't see one that said he was a terrible player that we should cut.

You must have missed a few of them in that one long thread then.

And that wasnt the first thread bashing Crayton this yr either

David

 

[superpunk]

I don't know. I look at number by Housh, Jennings, Boldin, Welker, and wonder, why don't we want our #2 WR to be in that league?

Note the absence of any elite receiving TEs on those players teams.

Sure - if we can upgrade on Crayton, that would be hot. There are more pressing concerns.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't know. I look at number by Housh, Jennings, Boldin, Welker, and wonder, why don't we want our #2 WR to be in that league?

Heck i'll even take the numbers Calvin johnson put up with some more TD's

 

[dbair1967]

I don't know. I look at number by Housh, Jennings, Boldin, Welker, and wonder, why don't we want our #2 WR to be in that league?

Thats fine...but how many of those other teams had an Owens and Witten combining for almost 180 receptions?

There's only one ball to go around Hos

And I wouldnt say Crayton was better than those guys you listed, but his yds per catch was higher than 3 of those guys. That isnt the be all end all stat, but it means he is doing something positive when he gets the ball in his hands.

David

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Its really not even worth arguing about since apparently you just dont get it

If team A throws the ball alot more than team B, usually team A completes more passes. Remember teams like Houston, Atlanta and Detroit of the early 90's, the run and shoot teams?

There's alot of factors to consider when comparing, but considering Crayton was at best the 3rd option on a team dominated by two guys (Owens and Witten, and not many teams had that sort of comtination at WR & TE). The Cowboys were one of just 6 teams to have two guys be in the top-25 in the league in total receptions (New Orleans, Philly, Cinic, Cleveland and New England were the others, and in the case of the Saints and Eagles it was a RB & WR)

Crayton didnt have a ton of opportunities, and he still had quality production.

David

Team A throws the ball 500 times
Team B throws the ball 300 times
WR A has 50 catches
WR B has 50 catches

I don't see where the overall amount of attempts matter. The only thing that matters is how much they produce when they get the ball and people like Greg Jennings Santonio Holmes and Calvin johnson who had the similar amount of catches. Remember you are comparing #2 WR to other #2 WR so the only thing that matters are Catches YPC YAC TD's.