Taking you back... Miles Austin

[sago1]

If we don't address the WR position on day 1 and TO gets hurt, you better believes we will have some major issues including not winning football games cause Romo wouldn't have anybody to throw to -- none of them have the speed to get separation. There's only so long you wait for a WR to develop. Hurd & Austin are entering their 3rd season & that would be all she wrote for either of them if Parcells was still here.

BTW: We simply cannot rely on the possibility that Jerry Jones' feeling that Glenn will be back is legit. What else is Jones supposed to say publicly about Glenn? Cowboys will probably wait thru TC just to see what Glenn still has. Even if he has full capability as before, Cowboys can't allow themselves to be held hostage to either TO or Glenn getting injuried. If Jerry doesn't draft & sign a vet WR FA, he's throwing away the money he paid Romo. Part of the poor play by our offense in final 3 games came about because of TO injury, Romo thumb injury combined with Romo off target against the Eagles, etc. If Jerry wants win a SB this year, he better ensure Cowboys have legit WRs and not let us go the way of the Eagles -- w/o a decent WR.

 

[aikemirv]

Allegedly.

I can see that, if Glenn is out.

As the team stands right now, though, I don't see it happening in the draft.

70 - 30 chance is what Mosely said when he talked to people at Valley Ranch right? I guess that is alledgedly but it sure seems we have interest in him and if we don't get him I think our first three picks will be CB,RB and WR.

The only way I see us not taking a WR with one os those picks is if another CB is still there that we just can't refuse because we need depth at CB more than at WR - I will agree with you there - but the second most needed position on this team is WR.

 

[superpunk]

If by common sense you mean the inability to look past the next season, then I agree.

Someday we will not have T.O., who is the #1 then? Stanbach? Crayton? Hurd? This second day prospect you're keen on?

Wide receivers, independent of when taken, take time to develop. You're not drafting a guy just for next year, you're drafting him for 3-4 years from now.

If you just keep putting it off, getting that true #1 prospect, you'll end up in a bind eventually.

You've come up with a scenario that is 2-3 years (maybe more) away to suggest that we aren't set at the WR position. Not wise. We'd be stashing a 1st or second round pick at #4 or 5 or worse on the depth chart (as it stands now). Can't see that happening this year when you consider that we could use DBs, DLs, ILBs, and RBs to help us now more than we could use another WR.

70 - 30 chance is what Mosely said when he talked to people at Valley Ranch right? I guess that is alledgedly but it sure seems we have interest in him and if we don't get him I think our first three picks will be CB,RB and WR.

The only way I see us not taking a WR with one os those picks is if another CB is still there that we just can't refuse because we need depth at CB more than at WR - I will agree with you there - but the second most needed position on this team is WR.

Mosley knows as much as you do about what's going on in Valley Ranch.

If Glenn is gone and we don't replace him with Walker a day 1 WR becomes more likely. I don't see that happening, though.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Generally, you have to have a certain number of passes caught or at least targets for people to begin tracking your dropped passes and the like. Unfortunately (for the Cowboys and for Miles, I guess) 5 catches over two years doesn't qualify you to have your stats tracked.

Lets see 06 it was Glenn TO Crayton Witten. hmmm i wonder why he doesn't have any stats. This year it was TO Crayton Witten and Fasano and Hurd was used more than Austin was. So i think your claims are unfounded he's still developing. No expected him to blaze up the depth chart after two seasons we have to wait and see with him and with hurd. and stanbach.

 

[TheCount]

Lets see 06 it was Glenn TO Crayton Witten. hmmm i wonder why he doesn't have any stats. This year it was TO Crayton Witten and Fasano and Hurd was used more than Austin was. So i think your claims are unfounded he's still developing. No expected him to blaze up the depth chart after two seasons we have to wait and see with him and with hurd. and stanbach.

Okay.. you're stating the obvious, what's your point? That he doesn't have catches because he didn't play? I'm pretty sure we all knew that.

If you think we should wait and see, that's fine. Me? I want to get some "real" prospects on the roster.

 

[lockster]

Yeah, that's his biggest problem. There's no doubt that he has the athleticism for the position. But he does seem to have terrible ball skills.

Yeah, well that's TO biggest problem too. TO has hands of stone and he gets paid 10m/ yr.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Generally, you have to have a certain number of passes caught or at least targets for people to begin tracking your dropped passes and the like. Unfortunately (for the Cowboys and for Miles, I guess) 5 catches over two years doesn't qualify you to have your stats tracked.

why are you including his rookie year when he was buried under the depth chart, being a UFA?

 

[CF74]

Give him more reps!!!!:bang2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Okay.. you're stating the obvious, what's your point? That he doesn't have catches because he didn't play? I'm pretty sure we all knew that.

If you think we should wait and see, that's fine. Me? I want to get some "real" prospects on the roster.

you mean receivers who are 6'2" 214 and have 4.4 speed and a 39" vertical leap? those kind of prospects?

I actually like the approach we're taking, getting some low-risk, athletic prospects at WR, and developing them at their own pace, the staff is high on all our young receivers

 

[jterrell]

Every team in the league has scrub WRs like Austin or Hurd.

Yes, our depth at WR stinks.

Could one of these guys eventually show up? Sure. But they have not yet and there has been chances for them to with injuries to Glenn and T.O.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Austin didn't do much his rookie season and really nothing his second season until the second half. He was a UDFA from a small school so I don't really see why him waiting til his second season to show anything should be viewed as a bad thing.

All I know is that he was making DBs look silly and got 5 yards of seperation from them on a consistent basis. He fast and hes starting to use his quickness to run some really great routes. He dropped a couple of balls and lets just hope he fixes that.

Really there is no reason to not expect even more improvement from him. He was green as grass when he came in ehre from Monmouth.

 

[jterrell]

you mean receivers who are 6'2" 214 and have 4.4 speed and a 39" vertical leap? those kind of prospects?

I actually like the approach we're taking, getting some low-risk, athletic prospects at WR, and developing them at their own pace, the staff is high on all our young receivers

I'd rather get guys who can actually play WR.

Keyshawn and Mike Irvin ran 4.6s but lead teams. These guys are athletes with zero actual skill for the position.

 

[TheCount]

why are you including his rookie year when he was buried under the depth chart, being a UFA?

Well he was on the team wasn't he? I'm not sure I understand the question.

I agree that I don't mind bringing in low risk guys, but not at the expense of not having anything to fall back on when T.O. leaves or if something were to happen.

We are lucky enough to have one of the best (if not the best) TE's in the league, or we would already be in trouble.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd rather get guys who can actually play WR.

Keyshawn and Mike Irvin ran 4.6s but lead teams. These guys are athletes with zero actual skill for the position.

Did you see how open Miles Austin was in the second half? and he seemed to do it every game.

Im not saying hes Bob Hayes reincarnate but the guy has shown he can get open deep against several different team's DBs on the NFL level.

I also wnat to see what Stanback can do or are you going to say he has no talent either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd rather get guys who can actually play WR.

Keyshawn and Mike Irvin ran 4.6s but lead teams. These guys are athletes with zero actual skill for the position.

debateable, Hurd isn't much of an athlete, but he has excellent body control and great hands

Austin is fast, but he's smooth running routes, which is usually a problem for fast players

and the fact that people in the organization are still high on them means they must be progressing at some level

Stanback is a guy who has zero actual skill for the position, and even he is getting it down

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well he was on the team wasn't he? I'm not sure I understand the question.

you know what you did

I agree that I don't mind bringing in low risk guys, but not at the expense of not having anything to fall back on when T.O. leaves or if something were to happen.

who says we won't have anything to fall back on? people who know much more than us like these guys, there's a reason for that

We are lucky enough to have one of the best (if not the best) TE's in the league, or we would already be in trouble.

um, ok...good for us?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I dont think anyone is saying we should not draft a WR. i think what Bob is saying is that we have some pretty promising prospects in Austin and Stanback. Thats a good thing right?

 

[jterrell]

Did you see how open Miles Austin was in the second half? and he seemed to do it every game.

Im not saying hes Bob Hayes reincarnate but the guy has shown he can get open deep against several different team's DBs on the NFL level.

I also wnat to see what Stanback can do or are you going to say he has no talent either.

My bad you are correct, we should cut Tony Romo for missing the always wide open Miles Austin.....

Austin has done zip in his NFL career except return kicks because that is what he is in this league, a kick returner/special teams guys. Thats what great athletes without a real position do.

No other positions gets more ridiculous love than our backup, backup WRs.

If we cut Hurd and Austin both today neither would get more than a vet minimum contract. They simply aren't NFL caliber WRs beyond depth as special teams.

The bottom line is the 5 catches in 2 years. Especially considering the ridiculous number of plays Austin got last year at WR because the top 2 guys were out injured and one of them for the entire regular season.

We must upgrade at WR period.

 

[theogt]

What do "developmental" mean?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have to steal a line from Iceberg

IGS