Talent Evaluation

[RonWashington]

I'm a big fan of both of them. I think they have a very bright future here.

Ferguson tied to Dak regressed

 

[Flamma]

I know this is not really a new topic, but as I’m watching college football, I can’t help but realize that I was fooled. I see great players that I know we won’t draft.

I was one who thought Will McClay, being a shadow GM, was doing a great job. At least 2022 and before.

Now, it seems obvious that we’ve lost our way from an organizational perspective and our scouting is no longer viable.

Before they had to offset the crazy and McClays team had been somewhere able to resist the stupidity of Stephen and Jerry, but I’ve lost what faith I had.

We had two picks in 2022, one in 2021 and two in 2020.

Pretty crappy overall.

It just feels bad that what was the one thing we all tried to say “but we draft well …” is now an outdated opinion.

I don't know how much blame we should give them. We're usually picking late. If they wanted a solid impact player at DT, they should have paid a free agent or traded for one. But they don't want to spend the money. They're better off picking a DT on day 2 if they have a late pick. hope he develops. Don't waste a first round pick hoping someone develops. They hit on 1 out of 2 offensive lineman picked late in the first. That's pretty good to me. The Jury isn't out on Guyton yet either. He's surpassed my expectations. I didn't think he would start.

 

[RonWashington]

I don't know how much blame we should give them. We're usually picking late. If they wanted a solid impact player at DT, they should have paid a free agent or traded for one. But they don't want to spend the money. They're better off picking a DT on day 2 if they have a late pick. hope he develops. Don't waste a first round pick hoping someone develops. They hit on 1 out of 2 offensive lineman picked late in the first. That's pretty good to me. The Jury isn't out on Guyton yet either. He's surpassed my expectations. I didn't think he would start.

Guyton Beebe and Smith will go a long way to making this one of the better NFL lines in the not so distant future

 

[RonWashington]

And Bass can start for Martin

 

[kskboys]

I don't know how much blame we should give them. We're usually picking late. If they wanted a solid impact player at DT, they should have paid a free agent or traded for one. But they don't want to spend the money. They're better off picking a DT on day 2 if they have a late pick. hope he develops. Don't waste a first round pick hoping someone develops. They hit on 1 out of 2 offensive lineman picked late in the first. That's pretty good to me. The Jury isn't out on Guyton yet either. He's surpassed my expectations. I didn't think he would start.

Or don't trade for Amari and draft Simmons. Or stop drafting TE's and CBs and WRs prolifically and focus on DT.

 

[Coogiguy03]

No

This is the best you could say to me?????? I need you to be meaner before the Turkey day game vs the g-men!!!!

 

[CowboysRule]

Bootleg tv service?

Jebus man just watch it on network.

That would probably work out great if I lived in Texas...or owned an antenna.

 

[kskboys]

Guyton Beebe and Smith will go a long way to making this one of the better NFL lines in the not so distant future

Yup. Both are making a few rook mistakes, sure, but both have also displayed NFL level talent.

 

[charron]

Athleticism and agility are not the same thing.

Agility allows a players to stay in front of/get around the opponent. If one is a straightline athlete, he will get stuck on the block. His strength is negated because he can't move side to side.

nfl.com has him listed.

Athleticism Score *est​

90
2023 Combine DT Rank: 3rd

Strengths​

• Possesses rare combination of size and athleticism.
• Bendy and stout in his lower half.
• Power to punch and lift blocker under his pads.
• Plays with lively feet and short-area quickness.
• Able to slide, swim and seize the gap.
• Yanks and pulls guards off-balance from any direction.
• Foot quickness to be part of a twisting rush unit.

Call it whatever you want he hasn't shown much of his so called strengths but has showed all of the weaknesses they list consistently in his couple of years here.

 

[rambo2]

They don’t have that much cap space. The could get their by restructures and a Parsons extension but what makes you think the Jones will do something they have not done in 13 years.

They will get there and they need to use it. It's common sense.

 

[Verdict]

I know this is not really a new topic, but as I’m watching college football, I can’t help but realize that I was fooled. I see great players that I know we won’t draft.

I was one who thought Will McClay, being a shadow GM, was doing a great job. At least 2022 and before.

Now, it seems obvious that we’ve lost our way from an organizational perspective and our scouting is no longer viable.

Before they had to offset the crazy and McClays team had been somewhere able to resist the stupidity of Stephen and Jerry, but I’ve lost what faith I had.

We had two picks in 2022, one in 2021 and two in 2020.

Pretty crappy overall.

It just feels bad that what was the one thing we all tried to say “but we draft well …” is now an outdated opinion.

I’m not sure that scouting is the issue. I’m not sure that McClay is the issue.

When the Cowboys force picks they miss most of the time. Taco was a miss. The Rapper was a miss. Schoonmaker is a miss. Mazi seems to be a miss. Guyton looks iffy.

When the Cowboys draft BPA their hit ratio seems pretty high. The problem is that the Cowboys waste picks to fill holes and those players don’t pan out, leaving a hole anyway.

It still pisses me off that they didn’t take Creed Humphrey and drafted a bust. This is the kind of thing I am talking about.

If the Cowboys would just stick to their board and add a couple of medium tier free agents they would be fine.

But they have to also stop overpaying their own. Dak. Sean Lee. Witten. Martin. Dez. They have to stop doing business like that.

 

[EPL0c0]

McClay and staff have done a fantastic job. I think McClay gets offered a GM job elsewhere (?NYJ?) because we know Jerry will never give up the title, duties, or final say

but look at this potential OLine: Smith - Bass - Beebe/Hoffman - Hoffman/Beebe - Guyton

Bass 25
Hoffman 25
Smith 23
Guyton 23
Beebe 23
(Richards 24)

 

[Flamma]

Or don't trade for Amari and draft Simmons. Or stop drafting TE's and CBs and WRs prolifically and focus on DT.

That's the thing. If we're drafting in the mid 20s, I'd stay away from DT. A late round DT is no more likely to hit than a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Pick a position more likely to hit right away.

 

[jazzcat22]

McClay and the personnel department have certainly missed on more than they’ve hit the last few drafts.

Let’s hope they don’t screw up this upcoming high draft pick.

The only draft pick they need to be concerned with, is the QB of the future. They hit on that, and all else will fall into place.
However, this FO is too stubborn to take a QB, even if it means trading up.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

McClay and the personnel department have certainly missed on more than they’ve hit the last few drafts.

Let’s hope they don’t screw up this upcoming high draft pick.

McClay and the personnel dept can only do so much when it comes to the draft. There's no doubt in my mind they (themselves) are doing a great job. It's Stephen and Jerry that crap the bed not going with the suggestions given to them.

 

[blueblood70]

I know this is not really a new topic, but as I’m watching college football, I can’t help but realize that I was fooled. I see great players that I know we won’t draft.

I was one who thought Will McClay, being a shadow GM, was doing a great job. At least 2022 and before.

Now, it seems obvious that we’ve lost our way from an organizational perspective and our scouting is no longer viable.

Before they had to offset the crazy and McClays team had been somewhere able to resist the stupidity of Stephen and Jerry, but I’ve lost what faith I had.

We had two picks in 2022, one in 2021 and two in 2020.

Pretty crappy overall.

It just feels bad that what was the one thing we all tried to say “but we draft well …” is now an outdated opinion.

2020 we got Lamb and diggs that not just 2 lmao.. add Tyler B who was good just not worth keeping and got steel UDFA but still added in tat offseason.

2021 Parsons, Osa, Gholston's, sure not big batch of Pbers but ONE Lmao

2022-TYler smith ,Furgeson, But Williams was getting his shot got injured still TBD, and Tolbert may not look great yet but Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton took bit to finally pay off not huge p[ick but not bust just yet..even ced Wilson wasnt flashing until year 3 etc


So your list like people said are a little short and a little short sighted I should say there are players you don't supposed to hit in all pros pro bowlers you can fill in role players as long as you got some players out of the draft that's fine 2023 doesn't look like much it was probably the worst graded draft we've had since 2009 but we're still gonna get a couple players out of there you guys might not like schoonmaker but Overshown going to be all pro possibly. but role players still out in Mazi , brooks, and richards..

Sometimes you do just gotta give it a little more time before you see what really shakes out of some of these drafts they're finally called upon what will they end up doing so I think you're a little bit too soon on a lot of this but you for sure exaggerating on how bad these drafts are but I have a feeling we're about to come up with a really good draft...if its close to 2020 ill take it get the right payer BPA we need it all should be easy to hit on many of them,..the need hits head on with BPA nbeed then all LOL

 

[blueblood70]

The only draft pick they need to be concerned with, is the QB of the future. They hit on that, and all else will fall into place.
However, this FO is too stubborn to take a QB, even if it means trading up.

I'm on their side the quarterback is not a big enough need or BPA wherever we're picking it has to be all BPA and there's not gonna be one of them that's better than a position player that we actually need you cannot pick your quarterback of your future in this draft maybe the next one but this team is full of holes guys are gonna be coming back off injury next year we cannot risk wasting a draft pick on a quarterback unless somehow you get lucky in the fourth or fifth round but in round one absolutely not that matter of fact round one through 3 has to be all BPA all skill players or the trenches you cannot pick a quarterback I'm sorry we can argue about this all day we have bigger needs when we're bad enough that we're picking around I don't know 5 or 6 and can afford to trade up when we need a quarterback then you pull the trigger you don't need to try to have one on the bench that gets almost no playing time and then you find out they suck three years from now that you wasted the draft pick you never even know what you have for about 3 year or more..

The best quarterbacks are taking in the top five and really you have to be in the top 2 or maybe 3 to even have a shot and people make mistakes there at quarterback but we cannot afford a quarterback and I'm not getting into this you can say whatever you want you reply and I'm gonna say I disagree too many holes look at all the free agents we have and we're gonna be changing coaching stats more than likely means we're gonna be changing philosophies and scheme we're gonna need to fill in a whole bunch of positions and quarterback just can't be won look you can go get a quarterback of the future after you get a bridge quarterback once Prescott's gone you can go get whoever's out there to remind you of the next Sam darnold or Baker Mayfield or Geno Smith that can hold the Fort down and you can search for your quarterback it's easier to do that then jump up into the top three in the draft and hope you hit on somebody..

From my understanding as well this is not a very deep draft for quarterbacks so who exactly is gonna be there at 16 or in another round besides the first round that you think is worse wasting appa on a quarterback give me their names i heard this is a very thin crop of quarterbacks coming in....

 

[baltcowboy]

They will get there and they need to use it. It's common sense.

I hope you are right. Hopefully the Joneses will see what the Eagles have become and adjust.

 

[rambo2]

I hope you are right. Hopefully the Joneses will see what the Eagles have become and adjust.

They put themselves in the position they are in. They intentionally carried over 20 million into 2025 because they thought it would be better to use it in 2025.

 

[blueblood70]

They don’t have that much cap space. The could get their by restructures and a Parsons extension but what makes you think the Jones will do something they have not done in 13 years.

Actually they do the projections are there they're probably cutting Terrance steel moving on from Martin and tank but yes the projections are right in that area I don't know what you've been watching but most of them said we're gonna have 80 to 100 million in cap space now that doesn't mean five years from now we come pay the piper on some of these players we won't but yes he's right that is the number people are throwing around the projections is we will have that much cap space how we use it I don't know but don't argue with people who've been actually watching and listening and they say it could be in that range yes don't have to restructure a bunch of people for that they already did that that's what they've been doing this year have you not paid attention when they resigned lamb and Prescott they also restructured a few players and this is where we're at.. That's why people say don't worry we're gonna be picking in the 10 to 15 range in the draft and we got a lot of money left and with all the injuries people forget this team did not fall off a Cliff overnight from A12 win team we're getting a lot of our stars back and main reason we're bad this year besides bad luck is a lot of injuries those players are coming back they're already starting to play a little better now as they come back...

I mean right now they have $54,000,000 in cap space next year without doing anything then you have to add in whatever the cap goes up and then anybody we either restructure or June 1st cuts that kind of thing that's why people projecting it could be 80 to 100 million depends on how the Cowboys wanna do it but that's way beyond plenty for Parsons and everyone else.... But again we all know it will they spend it that's the problem where will they spend it?