Tank review

[YosemiteSam]

And you got your football degree from where?

Seriously. As a fan you may perceive things out on the field, but unless you are privy to the calls and what is actually going on I suggest you defer to the dude that runs the team.

What exactly is your point? Did you not read my response? This is a freakin BBS for fans to throw their opinions out and thats exactly what I did. Nothing wrong with that. Do I determine if said player keeps his job? No, can I have an opinion? You damn right I can, and I'm going to voice it if I feel like it. If you don't like fan's opinions, maybe you should find a different place to read.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You sure about this?

Or was it his job to beat the center to a gap?

NT is different under Wade than it was under Parcells.

If we had Fergy healthy (God, imagine how great that would be) then yeah, he might play the immovable object.

Tank's job is different from what the Coaches have said.

Well, how about this quote from Wade.

You stop the run first.

Now, if you leave the middle unmanned, you aren't exactly stopping the run now are you?

 

[superpunk]

Bogus? I'm just telling you what I saw. I was reviewing Tank here! If you like and time permits, I can review every player on the field!

You've singled out Tank, when all the defensive linemen were guilty of the same thing. Wade wants them to get upfield. The only players we have that seem capable of that are our nose tackles, and occasionally Chris Canty. So when Ratliff and Tank bust through the line and get upfield, but Jason Hatcher and Chris Canty NOT ONLY fail to create a push, they pursue too far playside leaving a TE or tackle isolated on DeMarcus Ware, and a huge void for the back between Ware and the interior defense on the cutback, who are you going to blame?

That is what you saw happen repeatedly during the Detroit game. I completely agree and was the first to mention it after the game. You've simply committed the fallacy of laying all that blame at the feet of Tank Johnson. And that is not realistic.

 

[zrinkill]

Is Tank the new Roy????

 

[khiladi]

Now, if you leave the middle unmanned, you aren't exactly stopping the run now are you?

While wade clearly said one needs to stop the run first, in this case, he clearly said that they were focusing on the pass, not the run. The Lions surprised Wade, per his own words, by running so much.

 

[Hailmary]

So what do we do w/ Ferguson next season? If all three are brought back, do we rotate them all at NT or does either Ratliff or Johnson move to DE?

 

[aikemirv]

On a lot of the bigger runs Sunday the initial hole was stopped and the RB got a cutback lane. I really don't think that is the NT fault, but like you I don't know what the responsibilities are on each play. I tend to think Bradie and Akin were at fault most of the time. But that is just me.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You've singled out Tank, when all the defensive linemen were guilty of the same thing. Wade wants them to get upfield. The only players we have that seem capable of that are our nose tackles, and occasionally Chris Canty. So when Ratliff and Tank bust through the line and get upfield, but Jason Hatcher and Chris Canty NOT ONLY fail to create a push, they pursue too far playside leaving a TE or tackle isolated on DeMarcus Ware, and a huge void for the back between Ware and the interior defense on the cutback, who are you going to blame?

That is what you saw happen repeatedly during the Detroit game. I completely agree and was the first to mention it after the game. You've simply committed the fallacy of laying all that blame at the feet of Tank Johnson. And that is not realistic.

First, I reviewed Tank because he is the newest member of the team and I have been watching him closely to see how he does. I could hang the entire defense upto and including Ratliff even though he played the best of them all. If you read my other posts, I said he was out of position, but I didn't completely lay the blame at his feet. I also noted that it could be the way Wade is using him.

Of course they all had trouble during the game, and I wasn't picking on Tank specifically because I wanted to throw someone under the bus. I pointed out Tank because I have been watching him specifically very closely because of my interest in what he would bring the the Cowboys. Look back, I've been a big-time Tank supporter and was extremely excited because of what I thought he could bring to the team.

Thus far, he hasn't brought as much as I had hoped. The guy has what he takes to be an effective player, but right now he isn't as effective as he could be. Whether it's Tank or Wade, it's just not getting done like I know he can.

 

[YosemiteSam]

While wade clearly said one needs to stop the run first, in this case, he clearly said that they were focusing on the pass, not the run. The Lions surprised Wade, per his own words, by running so much.

Well, he should practice was he preaches and maybe they defense wouldn't have look so bad last Sunday.

 

[khiladi]

Well, he should practice was he preaches and maybe they defense wouldn't have look so bad last Sunday.

Well than, that would put the blame on Wade primarily, and not Tank....

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well than, that would put the blame on Wade primarily, and not Tank....

As TO said, "He said it, I just go out and do my job."

 

[zeromaster]

I will take the word of the head coach, a defensive expert, over a poster any day.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I will take the word of the head coach, a defensive expert, over a poster any day.

Screw taking the word of either and just watch the game for yourself.

btw, Wade said that the Atlantic ocean borders California...

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I view this review as bogus because you complained about Tank running himself out of plays but said nothing about Ratliff and Hatcher doing the exact same thing early for much bigger gains.

Wade heartily endorsed the play of Ratliff and Johnson in a PC. Mentioned them as two players on D who had good days against Detroit. In Wade's aggressive defense, we're gonna have to live with our slanting taking the wrong option away and surrendering run plays, just as we have to live with the shallow voids in coverage. You can't stop everything all the time. I'm gonna go with Wade's analysis on this one. Tank and Ratliff had similar problems, only Tank didn't make any noticable plays. I'd suggest looking at the game again and observing why the backside cutback was so wide open for so much of the day.

Good observations I agree the one gap defenses major liability is the cutback when defensive players over run their responsibilities. It is the nature of the defense and it is also the reason Bill Parcells preferred the 2 gap strategy on defense. Parcells was roasted on this board for using that style of defense but the long cutback run is the trade off. People need to be aware that all defenses have a weakness and what happened early against Detroit is the one gap weakness.

When I rewatched the game what I thought was that the defensive front seven on the first drive came out flat and got pushed around. After that it appeared to me they started over compensating and over running the plays, especially the LBers and the safties. That seemed to put the defensive linemen back on their heels spending more time reading the play and not penetrating, which resulted in Kitna having excess time to look down field.

After the half the front seven played their gaps much better and I only remember one time they lost backside contain. And in the fourth quarter once they got control of the cutbacks the Dlinemen started getting more pressure on Kitna. Anyway the way it appeared to me is much like Wade described it on Monday, The Lions surprised them at first, followed by a over correction on the players part then finally in the fourth quarter the defense got control and played their responsibilities much better.

That's my story and i'm sticking to it LOL!

 

[FLcowboy]

I view this review as bogus because you complained about Tank running himself out of plays but said nothing about Ratliff and Hatcher doing the exact same thing early for much bigger gains.

Wade heartily endorsed the play of Ratliff and Johnson in a PC. Mentioned them as two players on D who had good days against Detroit. In Wade's aggressive defense, we're gonna have to live with our slanting taking the wrong option away and surrendering run plays, just as we have to live with the shallow voids in coverage. You can't stop everything all the time. I'm gonna go with Wade's analysis on this one. Tank and Ratliff had similar problems, only Tank didn't make any noticable plays. I'd suggest looking at the game again and observing why the backside cutback was so wide open for so much of the day.

If you all remember the difference between a one-gap 3-4 and a 2-gap 3-4 defense, that is exactly what happened against Detroit.
When shooting the one-gap, the other gap is left open for the linebackers to cover. That didn't happen.

 

[This is Our Year]

He's no Fergie! IMO

 

[hockix]

I will take the word of the head coach, a defensive expert, over a poster any day.

Did you take Parcell's words over the posters every day last season???
I did not.

I don't know why Wade said that about Tank, but if you look at the game again you can see Tank was more often bad than good.

Coach are no god and make mistakes and Detroit game was one.
But we won anyway and that's good signs.

I believe Tank and Wade will take better care of it next game.
But to take all Wade's words as if he is god...

NYC's analyse is far from bad....

Romo had a real bad game against Buffalo but Wade saw some positives in that game as he should as the head coach but do you think he said all the same things to Romo as he did to the media? Same for Tank here...

 

[Future]

I don't get how our DTs were our best players when we got gashed in the run game and had no pressure. Granted, the whole defense was bad, but they couldn't have been that good.

*I didn't see the game, just guessing

 

[sacase]

I don't care what he said, it was ugly. I watched it last night and couldn't believe how many times he played himself out of position.

On several of those long running plays up the gut, Tank was the NT. It was his job to brick up the middle.

 

[alancdc]

Bogus? I'm just telling you what I saw. I was reviewing Tank here! If you like and time permits, I can review every player on the field!

So much for a happy Holiday Season!