TE Dalton Kincaid fully cleared medically

[Plankton]

I remember many teams passed on him due to character concerns, sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't. Gronk/Hernandez also fell due to that.

Gronkowski fell because he had back surgery while in college.

 

[Rockport]

Mayer will most likely just be one of these solid TEs that are never really worth a round 1 pick.

Probably be like Ferguson.

Ok

 

[RS12]

TE Dalton Kincaid fully cleared medically​

Wait wut? According to some here he was never going to walk again.

 

[Kwyn]

Musgrave is my favorite TE, but he won't be there at 58.

I'd need Drs. to look Kincaid over a dozen times before I trusted a 1st rounder on that back.

Not to derail, but saw your flair.

How about Hyatt at 26 and Hooker in the 2nd

Really make people around here lose their minds.

 

[CATCH17]

Ok

Hey he might be amazing who knows but guys like him are in just about every draft.

There is no way to tell Michael Mayer from a Cole Kmet.

Mayer could be the next Witten but good luck with that.

 

[Rockport]

Hey he might be amazing who knows but guys like him are in just about every draft.

There is no way to tell Michael Mayer from a Cole Kmet.

Mayer could be the next Witten but good luck with that.

Backtracking now.

 

[Beaker42]

Oh but he has back problems and will never walk again.

 

[starfan1]

No thanks

 

[Cowboyny]

Gronkowski fell because he had back surgery while in college.

Teams were also worried about him off the field.

 

[Mr_437]

I think the Packers go Kincade to help Love. Good for Kincaid to make 8t back healthy. I'm content he won't be in Dallas.

 

[Aven8]

Is he going to have a mini pro day?

 

[Carson]

I think the Packers go Kincade to help Love. Good for Kincaid to make 8t back healthy. I'm content he won't be in Dallas.

15 is a bit rich for Kincaid or any tight end not named Pitts, IMO. I believe they to WR over TE

 

[Pass2Run]

I am very intrigued with Kincaid, he would add a new dimension to this offense that they lacked for years. Yes, more of a big receiver, but he is a potential mismatch one.

There's also Josh Whyle, who also fits that role.

 

[Cowboyny]

There's also Josh Whyle, who also fits that role.

Yes, but he is more of a mid day 3 option.

 

[CherBoyWade]

Hey he might be amazing who knows but guys like him are in just about every draft.

There is no way to tell Michael Mayer from a Cole Kmet.

Mayer could be the next Witten but good luck with that.

I think athletically you're right but really don't think people grasp how ridiculously productive Mayer was in college. Saw this stat on Twitter the other day:

Among drafted TEs since 2005, Michael Mayer:

99th percentile age/team adj. production
97th percentile team share of yards
97th percentile career yards per game
91st percentile TDs

Yes Notre Dame uses TEs a lot but that's absurd for a tight end on a P5 (Independent whatever but play a P5 schedule) team. And I am a ND fan so I'll admit I'm a bit biased towards Mayer since I watched every one of his games, but I also watched every one of Kmet's games and Mayer is just simply the far superior player at this stage of his development. Kmet goung 1st round kinda surprised me at the time honestly.

Last year ND had a guy who was considered the consensus top prospect at his position all year (Kyle Hamilton), then he underwhelmed at the combine and his stock took a major hit, then low and behold he had the best PFF grade of any safety, rookie or otherwise, in the NFL last year. Obviously he likely wasn't actually the best safety, just more an obvious case of people overthinking the guy we all knew would be a really damn good NFL player because of testing. Mayer's situation really reminds me a lot of Hamilton's this year.

 

[stilltheguru]

I think athletically you're right but really don't think people grasp how ridiculously productive Mayer was in college. Saw this stat on Twitter the other day:

Among drafted TEs since 2005, Michael Mayer:

99th percentile age/team adj. production
97th percentile team share of yards
97th percentile career yards per game
91st percentile TDs

Yes Notre Dame uses TEs a lot but that's absurd for a tight end on a P5 (Independent whatever but play a P5 schedule) team. And I am a ND fan so I'll admit I'm a bit biased towards Mayer since I watched every one of his games, but I also watched every one of Kmet's games and Mayer is just simply the far superior player at this stage of his development. Kmet goung 1st round kinda surprised me at the time honestly.

Last year ND had a guy who was considered the consensus top prospect at his position all year (Kyle Hamilton), then he underwhelmed at the combine and his stock took a major hit, then low and behold he had the best PFF grade of any safety, rookie or otherwise, in the NFL last year. Obviously he likely wasn't actually the best safety, just more an obvious case of people overthinking the guy we all knew would be a really damn good NFL player because of testing. Mayer's situation really reminds me a lot of Hamilton's this year.

Hamilton was basically a slot corner. He was hyped up as a derwin James safety. Derwin isn't a slot corner. If they hyped up Hamilton as a slot fine but he really didn't do anything at the position of safety. If you look to start the year when Miami was toasting the Ravens you saw Hamilton on the receiving end. Towards the end of the year he was closer to the LOS. that's not a supposed top 5 talent if you have to hide him from the deep portion of the field

 

[CATCH17]

I think athletically you're right but really don't think people grasp how ridiculously productive Mayer was in college. Saw this stat on Twitter the other day:

Among drafted TEs since 2005, Michael Mayer:

99th percentile age/team adj. production
97th percentile team share of yards
97th percentile career yards per game
91st percentile TDs

Yes Notre Dame uses TEs a lot but that's absurd for a tight end on a P5 (Independent whatever but play a P5 schedule) team. And I am a ND fan so I'll admit I'm a bit biased towards Mayer since I watched every one of his games, but I also watched every one of Kmet's games and Mayer is just simply the far superior player at this stage of his development. Kmet goung 1st round kinda surprised me at the time honestly.

Last year ND had a guy who was considered the consensus top prospect at his position all year (Kyle Hamilton), then he underwhelmed at the combine and his stock took a major hit, then low and behold he had the best PFF grade of any safety, rookie or otherwise, in the NFL last year. Obviously he likely wasn't actually the best safety, just more an obvious case of people overthinking the guy we all knew would be a really damn good NFL player because of testing. Mayer's situation really reminds me a lot of Hamilton's this year.

Hey he may be awesome he just athletically looks like a TE we see in every draft.

 

[CherBoyWade]

Hamilton was basically a slot corner. He was hyped up as a derwin James safety. Derwin isn't a slot corner. If they hyped up Hamilton as a slot fine but he really didn't do anything at the position of safety. If you look to start the year when Miami was toasting the Ravens you saw Hamilton on the receiving end. Towards the end of the year he was closer to the LOS. that's not a supposed top 5 talent if you have to hide him from the deep portion of the field

Struggling in coverage in the first games of your NFL career is pretty typical for any top DB. My point was not that Hamilton thrived at FS like he played in college, but rather that he thrived as a rookie because we had 3 years of tape of him being one of the best football players in college. Good football players are good football players. Likewise, I'm not suggesting Mayer would thrive as a vertical threat in the NFL, but will still make an immediate impact at the NFL level for the same reason. I think with traditionally lower valued positions like TE and Safety (among others) sometimes fans/teams during draft season get caught up in picturing the perfect prospect for those types of positions—and then talk themselves into swinging for the upside pick that fits that belief rather than taking the guy everyone already knows is very good and it burns them.

 

[gtb1943]

Hey he may be awesome he just athletically looks like a TE we see in every draft.

He had a really average at best QB the last season; and a just a bit better than average QB the season before.
And he still put up great stats.
Basically you just do not like him and no FACTS will change your mind, so just admit it.

 

[stilltheguru]

Struggling in coverage in the first games of your NFL career is pretty typical for any top DB. My point was not that Hamilton thrived at FS like he played in college, but rather that he thrived as a rookie because we had 3 years of tape of him being one of the best football players in college. Good football players are good football players. Likewise, I'm not suggesting Mayer would thrive as a vertical threat in the NFL, but will still make an immediate impact at the NFL level for the same reason. I think with traditionally lower valued positions like TE and Safety (among others) sometimes fans/teams during draft season get caught up in picturing the perfect prospect for those types of positions—and then talk themselves into swinging for the upside pick that fits that belief rather than taking the guy everyone already knows is very good and it burns them.

I gotcha. I just never understood the top 3 prospect hype about him and I knew what I was looking at......but I gotcha. He is a good player and Mayer prob will be too