The Falcons were never down 15, so no they didn't.the falcons did it and it actually cost them the game.. i say Failed post..
No, you don't know how many scores you need if you kick the XP. You need either a TD and a 2-pointer, or a TD (with a failed 2-pointer) and a FG. You do not know what it will take to win.I don’t know much about analytics, but I disagree.
The only reason we’re able to even have a discussion about this is because of an immensely brain dead special teams play by Atlanta.
If you kick the extra point, you DO know how many more scores you need — one. And then you don’t have to rely on an onside kick, a play that has been made nearly impossible with rule changes in recent years. The Falcons blew it.
My best guess is this is the proposition- Convert a successful onside kick or score quick last drive THEN convert the 2 points THEN rely on the defense not to let the other team score with a decent amount of time left, let's say 1 min to 1 and a half minute. I can't say which is more difficult honestly before the rule changes I think the onsides option was better.
Well put.The onside kick has nothing to do with the equation. Psychology has nothing to do with the equation.
Whether you get the two point conversion on the first TD or the second doesn't matter. You just need one.
Whether you successfully get the 2 point conversion on the first TD tells you if you need to score quickly to get a second possession of if you only need one drive and can take time to score and not leave time for the other team.
Kicking the extra point on the first TD gives you one path to victory. Going for two on the first TD, whether you make it or not, gives you more options.
The "only possible benefit" you describe is exactly the benefit. You know what you need to do on the next drive.If you kick it first, the game is still a one score game you just need the 2pt after the next TD.
Missing it early can deflate your players.
Even with how it worked out, there still was no benefit to going for it early.
The only possible benefit is catching the other team off guard a little and how you manage the clock on the next drive knowing you need two scores still.
im saying early in the game they tried a 2 and failed and it cost them the gameThe Falcons were never down 15, so no they didn't.
Sounds good except if you dont get it like they didmt, it makes it STILL a 2 POSSESSION game, you make the field goal it's a ONE POSSESSION GAME, what's hard about that!?. Hettimgthe ball is tough to come bu in the NFL my friend it's not guaranteedSigh. Why is this so hard to understand? By kicking the xp, you're hoping for luck (making the two-pointer) at the end of the game.
There is no benefit to waiting: you have to try a 2-pointer at some point. It's much better to know the outcome early so you know what you have to do to win.
That's got nothing to do with what we're discussing here.im saying early in the game they tried a 2 and failed and it cost them the game
Good lord. It's only a one-possession game if you end up making the 2-pointer later. Why are you assuming they'll make that? I mean, we know they failed on the 2-pointer when they did try it.Sounds good except if you dont get it like they didmt, it makes it STILL a 2 POSSESSION game, you make the field goal it's a ONE POSSESSION GAME, what's hard about that!?. Hettimgthe ball is tough to come bu in the NFL my friend it's not guaranteed
This is what arguing over a false viewpoint looks like. Going for 2 before you need to is a losing strategy.Sigh. No. As I said, there's no benefit whatsoever to waiting.
This is what arguing over a false viewpoint looks like. Going for 2 before you need to is a losing strategy.
In the long run, you will win more games going for it early than late.This is what arguing over a false viewpoint looks like. Going for 2 before you need to is a losing strategy.
That is a COMPLETELY different issue. That was dumb.im saying early in the game they tried a 2 and failed and it cost them the game
No, you don't know how many scores you need if you kick the XP. You need either a TD and a 2-pointer, or a TD (with a failed 2-pointer) and a FG. You do not know what it will take to win.
The only thing you accomplish by waiting is taking the onside kick option entirely off the table. I'm not saying it's a great option, but you don't even have that if you wait.
Have you played football before...?Good lord. It's only a one-possession game if you end up making the 2-pointer later. Why are you assuming they'll make that? I mean, we know they failed on the 2-pointer when they did try it.
An 8-point deficit isn't really a "one-possession game." It might be, but you simply don't know.
What are you talking about? If we miss the 2-point on the second try we still need an onside kick. But we might have less time in the clock because we don’t have the same urgency.It makes more sense in my head thinking it as possession instead of scores. I like the game being guaranteed one possession instead of setting up to gamble on an onside kick.