Team has to win despite coaching

Jake said:
What fans see from their house is not necessarily how the players see it. JG has clearly lost a large portion of the fan base, but I wouldn't project that point of view on the players. The truth is, we don't know what most (if any) of them really think of JG.
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Correct.

The fans narrative has no connection with the players.

Shoot, Jerry has lost all of the fan base I know but yet players still connect with him.

Fans on the most part are totally disconnected to what actually is going on. If we’re winning everything is good. If losing it’s all going to hell.
 
rynochop said:
Players have to execute...not much difference in coaching at this level. I know that's hard to realize for some
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You have it completely backwards. Talent wise from team to team is pretty comparable due to the salary cap and the draft, BUT there is a big difference between the best and worst coaches. Belecheat could take his players and beat ours and take our players and beat his!!!
 
Captain43Crash said:
You have it completely backwards. Talent wise from team to team is pretty comparable due to the salary cap and the draft, BUT there is a big difference between the best and worst coaches. Belecheat could take his players and beat ours and take our players and beat his!!!
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Some fans will always feel the need to downplay the importance of anything that their team does not have.
 
Captain43Crash said:
You have it completely backwards. Talent wise from team to team is pretty comparable due to the salary cap and the draft, BUT there is a big difference between the best and worst coaches. Belecheat could take his players and beat ours and take our players and beat his!!!
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He couldn’t beat everyone when he was with the Browns.

And he can’t win the Super Bowl every year with one of the GOAT QB’s.

Now if he was here a few years he could build a much better team if Jerry got out of the way.

And he could squeeze out a few more wins like Parcells did in 2003 but in the end the more talented teams win out.
 
There’s not as much Parity in the league as we all want to believe.

There are the teams with great QB’s and the rest are trying build around a lesser QB.

Greater coaches build better teams but aren’t winning championships without greater talent with rare exceptions.

Cowboys haven’t had a great qb or defense. They’ve had a good qb and crappy defense. Now have a good defense and crappy qb.

Coaching is a small part of our problem unless they’re responsible for the talent.
 
Why didn’t Bill win championships in Cleveland.

There’s a reason no HC has ever repeated a championship with another team.

NFL is a talent driven league.

Did Jimmy suck in Miami or less talent ?

The examples are endless.

Does great coaching help? Of course if you have enough talent.
 
Diehardblues said:
He couldn’t beat everyone when he was with the Browns.

And he can’t win the Super Bowl every year with one of the GOAT QB’s.

Now if he was here a few years he could build a much better team if Jerry got out of the way.

And he could squeeze out a few more wins like Parcells did in 2003 but in the end the more talented teams win out.
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Beli has learned a lot since those Browns days. While he does have a talented team, he is one of the best at game planning. He has done a great job of game planning to exploit another teams weak points. Some games, it may be RB heavy to exploit a weak DL, then another game it's heavy passing to attack a weak secondary. They have also done a great job in taking away team's best weapons on offense. He is also very good at finding FAs and making trades for players that fit within specified roles and schemes on their team.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Beli has learned a lot since those Browns days. While he does have a talented team, he is one of the best at game planning. He has done a great job of game planning to exploit another teams weak points. Some games, it may be RB heavy to exploit a weak DL, then another game it's heavy passing to attack a weak secondary. They have also done a great job in taking away team's best weapons on offense. He is also very good at finding FAs and making trades for players that fit within specified roles and schemes on their team.
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It's laughable that a Cowboys fan is trying to minimize Bill Belicheck in yet another sad attempt to prop up the never-was coach we're saddled with.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Beli has learned a lot since those Browns days. While he does have a talented team, he is one of the best at game planning. He has done a great job of game planning to exploit another teams weak points. Some games, it may be RB heavy to exploit a weak DL, then another game it's heavy passing to attack a weak secondary. They have also done a great job in taking away team's best weapons on offense. He is also very good at finding FAs and making trades for players that fit within specified roles and schemes on their team.
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Bill is a great defensive guru and has Brady. One of the best combos in NFL history.

Look how much better Garretts offense looked with Romo.
 
Belichick is also the Pats GM which means he is full control of player personnel.

Something he wouldn’t have here. We saw how frustrated Parcells was with Jerry’s meddling.

Fans under estimate how interfering Jerry’s meddling is.

No legit HC is going to deal with that.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
It's like when people try to compare any aspect of the Pats to our team, there just any semblance between the two.
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And there’s no resemblance to football operations.

The Cowboys stink from the head down.

Its why no one has had much success in last couple decades.
 
glimmerman said:
We mostly all know that Romo ran this Offense. He made things happen. If he didn’t like the play then he changed it either in the huddle or at the line. We are in a spot where Dak don’t know enough to be able to do that yet.

With the conservative play calling and decisions being made in a few games these players are either going to give up on JG and his playcaller or start taking things in there own hands. Like the thread I saw that showed with 12 seconds left Elliot has a nice lane on the left and he saw it but clearly was told to just get a few yards and stay in the hash marks and secure the ball to set up for a lengthy FG. What HC does that with 12 seconds and a time out? Let them try to win.

Do you all think JG has lost the team yet? Is it starting? If we see it from our house then you know the players do. At what point if any does the players start taking the game into there own hands and risk making the mistakes instead of letting the HC take the game and opportunity out of there hands. This team has been playing together long enough to be trusted. Dak in his 3rd year while still being kind of green to the game has earned the right to have his HC be confident enough in him to say go win.

I wonder if it’s a power thing for JG. JJ has all the power and taken playcalling away from him so all he gets is 2 challenge flags, calling time outs and making these game changing decisions at the end of close games. He has blown 2 games this year.
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3 positions are most important for team success long term

1. GM
2. HC
3. QB

we are clearly in the bottom 25% for GM and HC
You could argue we are average at QB

Can't realistically compete for a championship with these limitations
 
visionary said:
3 positions are most important for team success long term

1. GM
2. HC
3. QB

we are clearly in the bottom 25% for GM and HC
You could argue we are average at QB

Can't realistically compete for a championship with these limitations
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Right .

And we’re average to below average at all 3. Not a recipe for success.
 
And why with our dysfunctional front office and limited coaching staff we need talent to overcome them all.

It’s like a double whammy. Cause you need either the front office and or coaching staff to bring in the right talent.

We’ve been close a couple times but we needed almost a perfect situation. Ultimately we still didn’t have enough talent. It is what it is and why there’s little hope with Jerrys ways.
 
Diehardblues said:
Bill is a great defensive guru and has Brady. One of the best combos in NFL history.

Look how much better Garretts offense looked with Romo.
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Belichek team's have looked good even when Brady wasn't playing. Brady missed a year and the pats still went 11-5, Brady has missed games and the Pats have still won with back-up and 3rd string QBs. We lose 1 LB and the defense fell apart, we lose 1 lineman the offense is in shambles. Comparing Belichek to Garrett is like comparing Hopkins to Hurns.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Belichek team's have looked good even when Brady wasn't playing. Brady missed a year and the pats still went 11-5, Brady has missed games and the Pats have still won with back-up and 3rd string QBs. We lose 1 LB and the defense fell apart, we lose 1 lineman the offense is in shambles. Comparing Belichek to Garrett is like comparing Hopkins to Hurns.
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That 11-5 team was back to back SB champs and had a QB who went on to start for several years. Plus it was only season they missed playoffs.

We don’t have the team that could overcome our talent with no depth.

Not sure why such high expectations here?

I’m not comparing Belichick and Garrett’s coaching ability.

Bill is one of the best this era. Garrett is average.
 
BB is the only coach I’ve seen in this era that game plans for every game consistently.

JG and most of the other coaches in the league use the same game plan for every game.
 
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