Teammates seem to think Brent will be ready

[Idgit]

I hope those players you mentioned were not fresh off of jail time and a felony conviction.

They weren't. But only because you hadn't asked for examples of that. You asked for "players finding a slot on the team that they have not earned by working hard in training camp."

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

They weren't. But only because you hadn't asked for examples of that. You asked for "players finding a slot on the team that they have not earned by working hard in training camp."

Um, let me refurbish yo memory. Brent is a special case. The question along the lines of "what other player half been able to waltz in and take a spot on the roster" (a rhetorical question) failed to mention his criminal background as well. To mention it would be like hitting someone over the haid with this crutchial detail. so if i imply and you infer something without a vital element that is your nevermind, not mein. Brent's criminal background is the 800 pound gorilla in this whole context, dear responder.

 

[MissouriCowboy]

Brent comes back it is time to let Hayden go. Guy is a bag of nothing.

 

[Idgit]

Um, let me refurbish yo memory. Brent is a special case. The question along the lines of "what other player half been able to waltz in and take a spot on the roster" (a rhetorical question) failed to mention his criminal background as well. To mention it would be like hitting someone over the haid with this crutchial detail. so if i imply and you infer something without a vital element that is your nevermind, not mein. Brent's criminal background is the 800 pound gorilla in this whole context, dear responder.

The logic in your argument here is so bad, it makes my head hurt. I can only answer the questions you ask, but in this case, you didn't even remotely imply that the issue was with his incarceration and not with his having missed training camp.

I think you're just changing your tune when it's become apparent that the question you asked was easily answerable, but there are also plenty of examples of players coming back from incarceration and contributing to their teams.

If you're looking for a guy who specifically missed camp because he was incarcerated and then came back, that's a pretty unique case. We'd have to go back to look at the specific cases of players who were incarcerated and see when in the calendar year they were released and/or returned to their teams.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The logic in your argument here is so bad, it makes my head hurt.

 

[TrailBlazer]

He needs to lose some weight. He came in at 330+ pounds.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One thing that I am noticing is the anti-Brent crowd is now reduced to semantic arguments. You cannot go back to his 2012 play and talk specifics because then you would realize that he was a prototypical NT that was dominant in the run game. No pass rush moves past the bull rush but he was often appreciably stronger in base and upper body as opposed to the OG and C he was competing against. Watching the Giants try to block him is kinda funny.

Instead what we are seeing is semantic inventions and nonsense statistics. Emotionally based generalizations like journeyman -when he was a third year prospect when the accident happened,- made up percentages of less than 50%, and the like.

What we do not see is substantive football discussion from the negative.

 

[DallasEast]

And just a reminder everybody: this is a football topic. There are other Brent threads for discussing his issues outside of football.

Methinks Edward R. Murrow did not get this memo.

 

[Idgit]

Methinks Edward R. Murrow did not get this memo.

It's so hard to say when you can only guess at what his posts might mean. I had a hard enough time with the actual text. Now he appears to be trying to say that there is implication underneath all the Finnegan's Wake routine.

 

[DallasEast]

It's so hard to say when you can only guess at what his posts might mean. I had a hard enough time with the actual text. Now that he appears to be trying to say that there is implication underneath all the Finnegan's Wake routine.

I say take an Excerin and call it even. That's what I do.

Edit: ******! I'm outta Excerins.

 

[EPL0c0]

I love that Brent's date for returning is right at the start of the last quarter of the season. If what Carter said is true about him being in shape that could bode very well for the d-line especially if Crawford proves he can play well inside this season. I know it feels right now like we're riding the gravy train on biscuit wheels but I still think that this team will still be in a dog fight to make the playoffs at the end of the year. But you know given time by the final stretch of the year we could get much better defensively . Spencer, Melton, Lawrence, Okoye more snaps for Crawford at DT as long as we don't end up with any of those damned season ending injuries...





http://www.dallascow...fc-d5bcd1662061

Demarcus Lawrence should be back in/around that time as well. Amobi Okoye could be back around Week 7, so the defense could see a good bit of depth added to the rotation.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

There's eleven defensive linemen on the roster now, and Demarcus Lawrence, Josh Brent, and possibly Amobi Okoye are coming back at some point. I'm just wondering who gets cut. My guess Lavar Edwards and Jack Crawford are first; then it will come down to Nick Hayden or Ken Bishop. I have to admit, Hayden hasn't really been bad through four games.

 

[gdogg24]

Tyrone Crawford

And Amobi Okoye

 

[gdogg24]

He needs to lose some weight. He came in at 330+ pounds.

Good! We need a guy that big to play the 1 technique inside and as far as I've seen we have no one else on this roster as big as him. If he's in shape like they've been saying and he's around that weight that's actually even more encouraging! That means he's around Vince Wilfork's size.

 

[Noryb]

There's eleven defensive linemen on the roster now, and Demarcus Lawrence, Josh Brent, and possibly Amobi Okoye are coming back at some point. I'm just wondering who gets cut. My guess Lavar Edwards and Jack Crawford are first; then it will come down to Nick Hayden or Ken Bishop. I have to admit, Hayden hasn't really been bad through four games.

I'd hate to see them cut Bishop. I wonder if they would consider cutting T. McClain, he hasn't done anything of notice.

 

[Idgit]

I'd hate to see them cut Bishop. I wonder if they would consider cutting T. McClain, he hasn't done anything of notice.

It'll be interesting to see what they do. McClain needs to show he can stay in the lineup, but he does carry a salary hit. I'd hate to see them cut a healthy rookie with upside who's already been given the benefit of a lot of snaps.

 

[maxdallasfan]

BTB had a nice summary on d line snap counts. Below is the summary. Here is the link: http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...s-saints-is-swarming-rotation-taking-shape-on

Cowboys' Defensive Snap counts vs Saints (61 Total)
Defensive TacklesDefensive EndsLinebackersCornerbacksSafeties
PlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnaps
T. Crawford42Mincey43Durant61Carr61Wilcox61
Hayden30Selvie34Carter40Scandrick61Church55
Melton24J. Crawford27R. McClain33Moore44Heath7
Bishop21Spencer22Wilber1Claiborne4


Back in March this year we took an early look at a new phrase that was being used to describe Rod Marinelli's plan for the defensive line, the "Swarming Rotation," a phrase introduced to Cowboys Nation by Cowboys Assistant Director of Player Personnel Will McClay.

When I first saw the phrase "Swarming Rotation" used on Twitter yesterday to describe the potential 2014 Dallas Cowboys defensive line, I thought it was just a bad euphemism for a "D-line full of nobodies."

But a little number-crunching showed exactly what McClay meant with the phrase: a more even distribution of snap counts among the defensive linemen. Here's a comparison of the snap counts for the top eight defensive linemen in 2013 for the Cowboys and the Seahawks:

Notice how the Seahawks had a 7-man defensive line rotation with a fairly even snap distribution, while the Cowboys relied heavily on four starters, and played what backups they had sparingly, for a variety of reasons. This is what that chart looks like after four games this year:

I'll leave it to you to decide whether you see an improvement here or not, but I'd ask you to consider that the table shows at least a 5-deep line. Consider also that Henry Melton was limited yesterday with a hamstring strain; that Terrell McClain left last week's game early and didn't play yesterday; that Davon Coleman (52 snaps has now missed two games); that Anthony Spencer just played his first 22 snaps; that DeMarcus Lawrence will likely be available for the second half of the season.

With all of that in mind, it's not hard to envision a even distributon of snaps across eight players. But all of that also drives home the point that you will not have that even distribution if your players are not healthy.

 

[manster4ever]

As we go deeper into the season we need fresh bodies for the Dec run. In the past years I think our front 7 was running on fumes. I hope with Spencer, Lawerence and Brent returning it'll provide much needed depth and fresh legs for late season run.

Exactly. Pretty mediocre line OVERALL, but when they bust their butts like Rod conditions them to, and they're that hungry and deep....good things can happen.

 

[jobberone]

This is a football thread on a football site just in case some haven't noticed.

I'm tired of policing these threads so I am going to start benching people who insist on discussing issues not related directly to football.

 

[gdogg24]

BTB had a nice summary on d line snap counts. Below is the summary. Here is the link: http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...s-saints-is-swarming-rotation-taking-shape-on

Cowboys' Defensive Snap counts vs Saints (61 Total)
Defensive TacklesDefensive EndsLinebackersCornerbacksSafeties
PlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnapsPlayerSnaps
T. Crawford42Mincey43Durant61Carr61Wilcox61
Hayden30Selvie34Carter40Scandrick61Church55
Melton24J. Crawford27R. McClain33Moore44Heath7
Bishop21Spencer22Wilber1Claiborne4


Back in March this year we took an early look at a new phrase that was being used to describe Rod Marinelli's plan for the defensive line, the "Swarming Rotation," a phrase introduced to Cowboys Nation by Cowboys Assistant Director of Player Personnel Will McClay.

When I first saw the phrase "Swarming Rotation" used on Twitter yesterday to describe the potential 2014 Dallas Cowboys defensive line, I thought it was just a bad euphemism for a "D-line full of nobodies."

But a little number-crunching showed exactly what McClay meant with the phrase: a more even distribution of snap counts among the defensive linemen. Here's a comparison of the snap counts for the top eight defensive linemen in 2013 for the Cowboys and the Seahawks:

Notice how the Seahawks had a 7-man defensive line rotation with a fairly even snap distribution, while the Cowboys relied heavily on four starters, and played what backups they had sparingly, for a variety of reasons. This is what that chart looks like after four games this year:

I'll leave it to you to decide whether you see an improvement here or not, but I'd ask you to consider that the table shows at least a 5-deep line. Consider also that Henry Melton was limited yesterday with a hamstring strain; that Terrell McClain left last week's game early and didn't play yesterday; that Davon Coleman (52 snaps has now missed two games); that Anthony Spencer just played his first 22 snaps; that DeMarcus Lawrence will likely be available for the second half of the season.

With all of that in mind, it's not hard to envision a even distributon of snaps across eight players. But all of that also drives home the point that you will not have that even distribution if your players are not healthy.

Well from that it looks like at least we're including a fifth guy in the rotation, so if Okoye, Lawrence and Brent can add anything to the mix maybe we'll get an even more evenly distributed rotation between eight players.