Twitter: Teams make a mockery of the salary cap

[Vanilla2]

The joneses know how to do this. They want you mad at the players so they can try to use the leverage to pay them less.

 

[Dre11]

um they CAN give him a 4year deal CHOSE its not in their best interest to do so, and? its smart because they know dak wants another deal as fast as he can get it and caving on that issue isnt smart..odd Mahiomes signed 10year deal , so daks so good he cant do a 5 year deal..LMAO what Joke

they know 1000times more then you do about business acumen and employee contracts..so go fly a kite, cant debate with clueless fan who questions how billionaires run their 10billion dollar company because he believes everything he reads and hears over the internet..
get a life

Jerrys 100times smarter then you and because he hires a gallery of Cpas, lawyers, and employees who know the cap..you do NOT know anything about that or how to make sure you get all yo can out of negotiation and your employee when they are up for raise etc..you do not cave you get all you can and especially in this day and age when there is cap, you want a team built with your start employee, so they are smart not caving in.they still have his services and it will get worked out..
again buy a kite read the directions, dont poke your eye out, and go fly it because that about all the knowledge you will be able to claim because as an NFL capologist vs the Jones, you have NO skin in the game..

bye SMH ughh know it all fans just want to be right because google told them so..

Google didn't have to tell me anything, it wasn't good business to let Dak wait to til it cost the 40 million, they could've signed him before Wentz or when Wentz signed for far less. It's bad business for you to allow your qb to have all the leverage in negotiations, because Dak doesn't have to do anything but wait til next year and go to free agency and you lose him for nothing and he will get paid what he wants. You call that shrewd business? Jerry maybe smart, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. Only a dummy would believe that, because there has been plenty of them along way son. I defend Jerry too, but you need to get off his nu** because you're looking real ignorant right now. There's no reason to not sign Dak for 4 years, if they win a Superbowl in those 4 years, they shouldn't have any problem coming back to the table, if they don't, they have all options on the table even if they want to go in a different direction. It's not hard at all.

 

[blueblood70]

Google didn't have to tell me anything, it wasn't good business to let Dak wait to til it cost the 40 million, they could've signed him before Wentz or when Wentz signed for far less. It's bad business for you to allow your qb to have all the leverage in negotiations, because Dak doesn't have to do anything but wait til next year and go to free agency and you lose him for nothing and he will get paid what he wants. You call that shrewd business? Jerry maybe smart, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. Only a dummy would believe that, because there has been plenty of them along way son. I defend Jerry too, but you need to get off his nu** because you're looking real ignorant right now. There's no reason to not sign Dak for 4 years, if they win a Superbowl in those 4 years, they shouldn't have any problem coming back to the table, if they don't, they have all options on the table even if they want to go in a different direction. It's not hard at all.

blah blah blah those teams now had to eat money, draft picks to get rid of them..nice job..smh again you know nothing..the jonses are 1000times smarter then you and have team of much smarter employees then you..this was no accident, get over it..

poor you and your boy blue dak having to play for peanuts lmao..

BTW your own statement doesnt have much merit if they gave him the deal he wanted even after year 3 hes be having his hand out again this year threating, a holdout because thats what he wanted a ll along a second quick bite at the apple and the jones weren't having that..so it cost them actually less in 2 years from his year 3 salary to his FT this season thane his new deal and then haviog to start over again in 2021 0r 2022..they phreaking know what they are doing even if you dont think so,..but good job looking like the tool trying to act like you know more then a billionaires team of lawyers , Cpas, and other staff ,ember then n=know contracts and cap numbers..they are ahead of you you are just spitting off bs you think you know.smh..kick rocks homie..

 

[AbeBeta]

Yet we have folks here crying about the cap and who we can afford. Maybe we need to get smarter people to handle the cap.

We've handled the cap exceedingly well.

 

[Dre11]

blah blah blah those teams now had to eat money, draft picks to get rid of them..nice job..smh again you know nothing..the jonses are 1000times smarter then you and have team of much smarter employees then you..this was no accident, get over it..

poor you and your boy blue dak having to play for peanuts lmao..

BTW your own statement doesnt have much merit if they gave him the deal he wanted even after year 3 hes be having his hand out again this year threating, a holdout because thats what he wanted a ll along a second quick bite at the apple and the jones weren't having that..so it cost them actually less in 2 years from his year 3 salary to his FT this season thane his new deal and then haviog to start over again in 2021 0r 2022..they phreaking know what they are doing even if you dont think so,..but good job looking like the tool trying to act like you know more then a billionaires team of lawyers , Cpas, and other staff ,ember then n=know contracts and cap numbers..they are ahead of you you are just spitting off bs you think you know.smh..kick rocks homie..

lol The Eagles won a superbowl...lol what have we won trying to be shrewd businessman...lol KC won a superbowl, the Rams was in a superbowl. So because you were scared you he may wanted an extention in a year or two you allow the the price go up 10 million and now you're at risk him walking for absolutely nothing, and you have no backup plan to fill the spot. and no he wouldnt be able to holdout with a contract, without being punished extemely harsh with the new holdout rule. you sound dumb, you really do...lol

 

[Dre11]

We've handled the cap exceedingly well.

I dont think they did bad, in fact, I said in the beginning of the thread, they can afford whoever they want with some manuvering , That got lost on your boy bluebood, he turned it into a pissing match about how they handled Dak, when my post was about folks crying that we cannot afford Dak and other players around him. I said we can. I dont know what his problem is...lol

 

[Jake]

Yet we have folks here crying about the cap and who we can afford. Maybe we need to get smarter people to handle the cap.

Hey now, Stephen Jones came to the Cowboys with a wealth of experience working in an NFL front office. Have a look at his CV.

 

[Jake]

We've handled the cap exceedingly well.

Indeed, the results speak for themselves.

 

[Mannix]

Chuckles had bragged about our cap room for 5+ years now, but continues to show for FA's at Big Lots.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This has absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever.

The Cowboys can do the same thing with several players. That has to do with the Cowboys.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Well it helps when the qb is going to retire and does a solid favor.

There was an article a few weeks ago with this exact scenario being played out.

All in favor competent gm though.

Why wouldn't he do it? He wasn't going receive any more money after he retired so he did the team he played for all those years a favor.
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[gjkoeppen]

You realize this is doing exactly what people have said Dallas can do with multiple contracts in order to add about 60m in cap space? Cap space is rarely an issue these days, even when the cap gets reduced 20m.

There's a huge difference between a player who is retiring and has no more guaranteed money that he will get so he helps out his team and the team just start restructuring contracts and/or releasing players that adds money on the cap 2-3 years down the road and then when those caps come up they'll have to restructure some more contracts and before we know it the Cowboys are back in that vicious cycle they were in for the 1st 20 years of the cap and most of us remember just how little cap space they had each year because of all the money added as dead money from all those restructured contracts.

It worked out great for the saints to only have 11.5 mil in dead money for 2021 and 2022 instead of 23 mil in dead money in 2021 but those kind of restructures are the EXTREME minority.
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[KingintheNorth]

Stephen has said a few times they are completely capable of manipulating the cap to sign someone if needed.

He just hasn't shown that to be true.


Instead he brags about having cap room some years and then others he claims a lack of cap room limits them from keeping all of the guys they want.


He is what you call.... full of dog poop.

 

[ChuckA1]

Well Stephen better go out and get a great DT or FS then. Both are huge positions of need!

 

[TwoCentPlain]

This is true.



This is 100% wrong.

Brees took a $24 million pay cut directly to his "base salary" because he doesn't plan on playing any more, so his salary doesn't matter to him. This ONLY works when the player is going to retire AND the salary in question is not guaranteed money. As of today, we know of exactly ZERO members of the Dallas Cowboys that are in this position.

What people have ACTUALLY been saying is that the Cowboys can RESTRUCTURE high salaries into bonuses to lower the cap hit and, thus create cap space.

These are NOT the same thing. At all.

Exactly. Brees gave up absolutely nothing. His $25M salary was not guaranteed and he was never going to see a penny of that because the Saints would have cut him first. All they did was spread his dead cap amount over three years (2021-23). Brees will still count $10M against the cap in 2021 and $5.7M each for the two following years.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Those teams making a "mockery" of the salary cap actually have a creative FO doing things to make their team better, kind of like tax lawyers handling your tax returns. Look for every law and loophole you can find legally. Its work, and not for lazy and idiot FO people who want to make it seem they know what they're doing.

 

[Mr_437]

This is the fun part of the football year where we watch "cap strapped" teams move money around, and sign high FAs...while DAL is offering "fair deals" to career backups.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

This has absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever.

I'm talking about manipulating the cap..not this exact manuever because it doesn't happen all that often.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

So for the record....Brees salary in 2020 was $2m plus he got a 23m roster bonus that was treated as a signing bonus. From his prior deal he had 5.4m counting against the cap in 2020 and 2021. So before the deal was restructured his cap hits were going to be:

Year__________Salary___________Prorated SB____________Restructured Bonus___________Cap hit
2021...................25m.........................5.75m...................................5.4m..............................................36.15
2022...................................................5.75..............................................................................................5.75
2023...................................................5.75..............................................................................................5.75

The years 2022 and 2023 were voidable years that were just added so the signing bonus could be prorated over two years instead of 4. His new salary that he agreed to was going to be:
2021....................1.075m...................5.75m...................................5.4m...............................................12.225m
2022...................................................5.75m...........................................................................................5.75m
2023...................................................5.75m...........................................................................................5.75m

Once he retires it will become:
2021...................................................5.75m....................................5.4m..............................................11.15m
2022..................................................11.50m..........................................................................................11.5m
He is off the books in 2023.

Brees loses nothing by agreeing to cut the salary on his contract if he truly does plan to retire, which supposedly is in the works and he will be a commentator for NBC. This isn't a genius move that the Saints came up with, sal cap guys were talking about it two months ago, specifically the guy from Spotrac. Brees got all his guaranteed money last year. Whether his salary was 25m or 1m it doesn't matter to him because he was going to retire regardless. The only reason not to do would be if he had an axe to grind with the team, which by all accounts he doesn't.

This isn't exactly like taking a contract with a huge salary and converting it to a small salary and a bonus to split over several years....but it is just another way to manipulate the cap. Something that every team does. Dallas has multiple candidates to restructure....all depending on how aggressive they want to be.

Daks contract can be done in many different ways...Wilson's deal has cap hits of 27, 31 and 32m the first three years. We have about 20m in cap space right now per spotrac. We can add $34 m to that just by restructuring Tank, Martin and Cooper. Cuts to Chris Jones and and Zuerlein save about 4m and would cover the space needed to sign rookie class. So 58m with nothing lost. After signing Dak and accounting for the rookies, we will still have around 20m to sign free agents. Tyron, Zeke, Jaylon and Collins could be redone as well to save almost 25m, not that I recommend doing anything with Tyron, Zeke or Jaylon. If we wanted to really push things forward into future years when the cap will likely be higher, even Brown and Jarwin can be redone to add another 3.3m. That is 86.3m in possible cap space LOL. The team won't do that of course, and they shouldn't unless they thought they could buy a title.

But Dak will get redone. We will sign some of our free agents and a couple outsiders at need areas. We are gonna need some of this year's rookies to step up as starters. Probably at corner and safety for sure. Maybe a LB.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

So for the record....Brees salary in 2020 was $2m plus he got a 23m roster bonus that was treated as a signing bonus. From his prior deal he had 5.4m counting against the cap in 2020 and 2021. So before the deal was restructured his cap hits were going to be:

Year__________Salary___________Prorated SB____________Restructured Bonus___________Cap hit
2021...................25m.........................5.75m...................................5.4m..............................................36.15
2022...................................................5.75..............................................................................................5.75
2023...................................................5.75..............................................................................................5.75

The years 2022 and 2023 were voidable years that were just added so the signing bonus could be prorated over two years instead of 4. His new salary that he agreed to was going to be:
2021....................1.075m...................5.75m...................................5.4m...............................................12.225m
2022...................................................5.75m...........................................................................................5.75m
2023...................................................5.75m...........................................................................................5.75m

Once he retires it will become:
2021...................................................5.75m....................................5.4m..............................................11.15m
2022..................................................11.50m..........................................................................................11.5m
He is off the books in 2023.

Brees loses nothing by agreeing to cut the salary on his contract if he truly does plan to retire, which supposedly is in the works and he will be a commentator for NBC. This isn't a genius move that the Saints came up with, sal cap guys were talking about it two months ago, specifically the guy from Spotrac. Brees got all his guaranteed money last year. Whether his salary was 25m or 1m it doesn't matter to him because he was going to retire regardless. The only reason not to do would be if he had an axe to grind with the team, which by all accounts he doesn't.

This isn't exactly like taking a contract with a huge salary and converting it to a small salary and a bonus to split over several years....but it is just another way to manipulate the cap. Something that every team does. Dallas has multiple candidates to restructure....all depending on how aggressive they want to be.

Daks contract can be done in many different ways...Wilson's deal has cap hits of 27, 31 and 32m the first three years. We have about 20m in cap space right now per spotrac. We can add $34 m to that just by restructuring Tank, Martin and Cooper. Cuts to Chris Jones and and Zuerlein save about 4m and would cover the space needed to sign rookie class. So 58m with nothing lost. After signing Dak and accounting for the rookies, we will still have around 20m to sign free agents. Tyron, Zeke, Jaylon and Collins could be redone as well to save almost 25m, not that I recommend doing anything with Tyron, Zeke or Jaylon. If we wanted to really push things forward into future years when the cap will likely be higher, even Brown and Jarwin can be redone to add another 3.3m. That is 86.3m in possible cap space LOL. The team won't do that of course, and they shouldn't unless they thought they could buy a title.

But Dak will get redone. We will sign some of our free agents and a couple outsiders at need areas. We are gonna need some of this year's rookies to step up as starters. Probably at corner and safety for sure. Maybe a LB.

lol, that didn't translate well on my phone