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wayne_motley;1146383 said:
Wow...I really expected to catch some crap for #3...especially from all the guys who have defended him in the Merriman debates.

I think he's going to be a great LB, but he may need to move to the Ellis position next year and find someone else who can actually pass rush.

He is what he is. He plays well, as an all around LB. That's pretty much our whole defense, except for Newman. They play pretty well, but never quite dominate. And even Newman isn't a great all-around corner. His coverage is magnificent, but like every other DB on the team, he struggles to locate the ball, and gets by with flawless technique.
 
3,6,8,11,13

3 - Ware is a good rusher, but there has to be a threat from somewhere else to make him viable otherwise he'll get doubled ALOT

6 - The conversion was the right thing to do and we had been successful at it once last week with Romo. In hindsight, had we kicked the extra point, we lose by 2 points versus three. Horseshoes and hand grenades ring a bell?

8 - ALL receivers drop balls. Owens is a media magnet, that's why he gets attention for dropping balss, but Meshawn Johnson don't. Like him or not (I'm not a fan), he is the best in the game right now. He did have two drops, but made some great catches too. Those always seem to go without comment...even the 6 points he added (otherwise the end score may have been 21- 12???). He shouldered blame for his miscue, I didn't read or hear any other players (except Romo) stepping up.

11 - Season is far from over. 8 more games left and there is still a good shot to get in. When you get to 7 L's , then there's a very slim chance of playoffs. 10-6 usually will get you in (need more division wins tho, I'll concede that point). Romo looked great the last 2 games...much better than Bledsoe, but just like calling the season a wash, it's a little early to proclaim him the savior of the team. I'm on board with him, but I want to KNOW (not guess) that he's consistent. That will come near the end of the season. OL is better than with Petite and Tucker (thank GOD), but have a LONGGGG way to go before they are "good".

The rest of what you said I pretty much agree with and think it would be solved with coaching changes. Sparano is mediocre at best. And I know the Zimmer fans will squeal here, but...I have to think we could find a better 3-4 coach. He's just never really motivated those guys and his schemes aqre rather old hat.
 
superpunk;1146408 said:
He is what he is. He plays well, as an all around LB. That's pretty much our whole defense, except for Newman. They play pretty well, but never quite dominate. And even Newman isn't a great all-around corner. His coverage is magnificent, but like every other DB on the team, he struggles to locate the ball, and gets by with flawless technique.

What??? Blasphemy!:D
 
Ware isn't the problem. If we got any penatration from Spears or Canty at least once or twice a drive, I will guarantee you Ware and Ellis's sack totals will skyrocket.
 
"Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage"

Roy Williams is not even close to great...he gives up big play after big play in the passing game and he gets occasional big hits in games with mediocre teams...He is good (he has 5 interceptions and a decent tackler) but the most I would say was that he was very good most of the time - though he was a number 5 draft pick...

And sorry to say that while I do think the offensive line is playing better the long term prospects aren't that great - Flozell is going to need a walker soon, Rivera is average and old on his best days...and Gurode is inconsistent and looks like he will be consistently subject to bonehead plays after playing well in spurts - so 3 out of 5 oline positions dont give me a warm fuzzy for the future...I agree with the other points and they were well made
 
SultanOfSix;1146416 said:
Ware isn't the problem. If we got any penatration from Spears or Canty at least once or twice a drive, I will guarantee you Ware and Ellis's sack totals will skyrocket.

Did these guys play yesterday? I couldn't tell.:p:
 
SultanOfSix;1146416 said:
Ware isn't the problem. If we got any penatration from Spears or Canty at least once or twice a drive, I will guarantee you Ware and Ellis's sack totals will skyrocket.
We need the Cowboy fans to watch every Patriot and Charger game that's shown on TV.

This text book at how to use the 3-4. They blitz on every play nearly, but the key is, they show blitz on every play. This means that they are constantly forcing the QB to think about changing the play because of the threat of the blitz, and it comes from a different location every down.

I don't know what the heck we are playing out there, but it's not a 2000s version of a 3-4.
 
MaineBoy;1146422 said:
"Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage"

Roy Williams is not even close to great...he gives up big play after big play in the passing game and he gets occasional big hits in games with mediocre teams...He is good (he has 5 interceptions and a decent tackler) but the most I would say was that he was very good most of the time - though he was a number 5 draft pick...
And sorry to say that while I do think the offensive line is playing better the long term prospects aren't that great - Flozell is going to need a walker soon, Rivera is average and old on his best days...and Gurode is inconsistent and looks like he will be consistently subject to bonehead plays after playing well in spurts - so 3 out of 5 oline positions dont give me a warm fuzzy for the future...I agree with the other points and they were well made

....#8 But I get your point.
 
Wayne's great post was screwed up by ME.

So what you see now is not what he wrote originally.

I thought I was quoting him but instead hit the edit button (an extra button mods have).

I apologize to wayne and if he wants to write it again I will delete this thread for him.

Sorry Wayne and sorry to all others as it was a very good post/thread until I screwed it up.

:(
 
Clove;1146431 said:
We need the Cowboy fans to watch every Patriot and Charger game that's shown on TV.

This text book at how to use the 3-4. They blitz on every play nearly, but the key is, they show blitz on every play. This means that they are constantly forcing the QB to think about changing the play because of the threat of the blitz, and it comes from a different location every down.

I don't know what the heck we are playing out there, but it's not a 2000s version of a 3-4.

An excellent post. The mantra around here for so long was that "Oh, the DL on the 3-4 doesn't rush the passer or get sacks.' This is far from true. The DL on the 3-4 doesn't LEAD in sacks, ever, but it is their SOLE DUTY to be disruptive to the OL and REQUIRE double teams. Ferguson is the ONLY player on the DL that is playing well.
 
SultanOfSix;1146416 said:
Ware isn't the problem. If we got any penatration from Spears or Canty at least once or twice a drive, I will guarantee you Ware and Ellis's sack totals will skyrocket.

He got plenty of 1 on 1 matchups, and rarely did anything with them. But we must keep in mind, it's still just his second year. He's played 24 games, and has 12.5 sacks. He's on pace for a better year than last year. He's a young player, and he's gonna be a solid (at least) piece on our team for years.
 
BrAinPaiNt;1146438 said:
Wayne's great post was screwed up by ME.

So what you see now is not what he wrote originally.

I thought I was quoting him but instead hit the edit button (an extra button mods have).

I apologize to wayne and if he wants to write it again I will delete this thread for him.

Sorry Wayne and sorry to all others as it was a very good post/thread until I screwed it up.

:(

Holy Frick...Nice job!:D
 
I disagree with the playoffs theory. Dallas is t-6th in the NFC right now. Carolina probably gets knocked out of the playoffs because of ATL and NOLA. It's extremely rare for 3 teams in the same division to make it to the playoffs. Minnesota just lost 2 in a row with one being the Niners this Sunday. The Rams just lost 2 in a row and show no signs of improving.

I think it very well comes down to Dallas, Philly, and maybe Washington for the last spot. If Dallas beats 'Zona and Philly beats Washington next week, Washington should be done for this season.

That being said, my hopes for a Super Bowl are shattered. We just don't have the pass rush to do it. Because of that, the secondary can't make plays and we leave ourselves prone to the big pass.

I also disagree with you on Ware. He's on pace for 9 sacks this year, which is very good for a 3-4 OLB. Teams certainly take note of where he is at on the field and gameplan around him. He's a good pass rusher, just not great. Problem is that despite getting double teamed, nobody else can consistently get to the pass rusher despite facing one-on-one blocking. The other problem is our blitz disguise is a joke.

Are there any colleges looking to hire an NFL D-Coordinator?



YAKUZA
 
BrAinPaiNt;1146438 said:
Wayne's great post was screwed up by ME.

So what you see now is not what he wrote originally.

I thought I was quoting him but instead hit the edit button (an extra button mods have).

I apologize to wayne and if he wants to write it again I will delete this thread for him.

Sorry Wayne and sorry to all others as it was a very good post/thread until I screwed it up.

:(
Dang BP:bang2:
1000 lashes with the dreaded wet noodle for you.:D

I hope he saved a copy. I enjoyed the original post and have enjoyed reading the responses.
 
superpunk;1146448 said:
He got plenty of 1 on 1 matchups, and rarely did anything with them. .

That's not exactly true. When he gets one-on-one matchups, opposing teams usually resort to 3 step dropbacks. When they want to go to 5 or 7 step dropbacks, they'll usually put the slot WR to his side...forcing him in coverage or give him a double team.



YAKUZA
 
Dude, I can't make heads or tails of this post. Who are you quoting? Is this a response?

edit: I just saw that someone butchered the original.
 
jay cee;1146456 said:
Dang BP:bang2:
1000 lashes with the dreaded wet noodle for you.:D

I hope he saved a copy. I enjoyed the original post and have enjoyed reading the responses.

Really. It's the one time that people didn't quote him (long post) and this happens.:laugh2:
 
Clove;1146431 said:
This text book at how to use the 3-4. They blitz on every play nearly, but the key is, they show blitz on every play. This means that they are constantly forcing the QB to think about changing the play because of the threat of the blitz, and it comes from a different location every down.

This is absolutely THE KEY to running a great 3-4. Disguise. Unfortunately, Zimmer doesn't have a clue.
 
wayne_motley;1146324 said:
And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...I've said all year that our defense can't stop anyone...I was happy with the goal line stand in the first quarter, but let's not forget that we let them drive 80 yards down the field with no running game. We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game, and we never got a 3 and out...we let them drive the ball just about every time. This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left. The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.

We still cannot pressure the QB...not only did Brunnell have all day to stand back there, but his line also created huge passing lanes...no push up the middle at all....it was sad. Notice I didn't say Ware isn't a great LB...he is, but anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

4. Our secondary is not very good in cover two...big surprise...the skins receivers were open over the middle all game long, guess who has the middle...Lb's and safeties...safeties playing deep...ouch.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.

The Commanders exposed us deep again....all teams need to go deep on us...they will either get a nice play because our CBs don't see the ball, or they'll get a penalty...it's rare for us to intercept a pass...Henry had two in the endzone and dropped them both, one resulting in a TD. Roy let one bounce off his head, through his hands.

6. Two point conversion in first quarter...stupid, regardless of what the cheat sheet says....period...too many various scoring factors for the next 3 quarters than can change the point spread in many different ways.

7. Penalties....close to 200 yards in penalties....ridiculous, mostly by the defense. There's no blaming this one on the refs since replay after replay showed we were getting away with holding on offense again and again, not to mention they were calling offensive interference on the Skins, usually a sure sign that there's no favor.

8. T.O.....still dropping passes....still selfishly getting camera time and a 15 yard penalty....then yammering back at Parcells who wasn't happy....he knew we'd get that 15 yarder...it's written in stone...you can't go to the ground.... with a kicker who can't get it past the 10....just selfish....we were lucky the Skins screwed it up....catching the kickoff at the 30, they should have been at midfield or around our 40. A great player? sometimes...is he earning his 10 million...nope...a 10 million dollar receiver doesn't drop a TD in a tight game....period.

9. We have two tough hardrunning backs who will be around for a while...you have to like them both yesterday and wonder why they weren't used a little more on the road....especially the short passes to Barber.

10. I know when to admit I'm wrong....two games in, there's no doubt about it...two different schemes bringing pressure, yesterday huge pressure on 3rd downs....We have us a QB, Boys. The Carolina game seemed to prove it....The Skins game nailed it down for me....big 3rd down plays again and again, under pressure....even the moxie to keep the ball and look like he's running before a last second pass to Barber that gave Barber the angle on the defender to run for a first down....the huge completion to Witten to get the win (oh yeah...someone blew an assignment and let it get blocked from the side). WE have a QB.

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

12. We also learned that T.O. is good, but can't be counted on as a sure thing.

13. It's too early to judge this past year's draft class, but right now it doesn't look good...the first day looks very very bad.

Pick your numbers, and tell me I'm wrong.

*** I'm guessing we need to come up with some different defensive schemes for getting pressure and for playing pass coverage...whatever we're doing just doesn't seem to work against the NFC East opponents....If our defense could have gotten an occasional stop when the Skins were backed up, it would have helped our offense to have a short field.

The Skins made some huge errors, dropping passes, fumbling in our territory, botching the kr at their 30, blowing a sure punt downing at our 1 yard line...they tried their best to give it to us....but we aren't a team ready to take it....for the past two years, whenever our playoff lives seem on the line, we lose.

This the post I saw. Does that help?
 
Yakuza Rich;1146465 said:
That's not exactly true. When he gets one-on-one matchups, opposing teams usually resort to 3 step dropbacks. When they want to go to 5 or 7 step dropbacks, they'll usually put the slot WR to his side...forcing him in coverage or give him a double team.



YAKUZA

I don't know how many 1 on 1 matchups he gets in a game. I certainly don't chart the games like some or the posters here. I have seen way too many bull rushes from Ware IMO.

But I don't blame him for not being a dominant pass rusher. He's an excellent all around football player IMO, and I think the coaches should do a better job creating confusion for their opponents in regards to where the blitzers will be coming from.
 

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