Terence Newman

[jblaze2004]

I know some of you might not like it but NEWMAN

 

[casmith07]

It's hard to criticize a guy who has NOT missed a game due to injury this year, he's fought through it... I still got mad love for T-Newman!

This. Dude is playing with bruised rib cartilage. Some of you guys are hilarious.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

This. Dude is playing with bruised rib cartilage. Some of you guys are hilarious.

You're pathetic with that injury excuse. I hope he didn't further injure himself when he speared that dude laying on the ground

 

[TheCount]

This. Dude is playing with bruised rib cartilage. Some of you guys are hilarious.

Well it's the NFL, not High School football. You don't get bonus points for trying.

The reason he's on the field is because even injured he's still better than Scandrick, that doesn't mean you just say it's okay to get burned, you're injured. You still have to do your job.

 

[jobberone]

You have apologized for the play of Newman using excuses and packing around with other Newman apologists following their lead.

You've made your way into several of these Newman threads that keep popping every week because he keeps getting beat.

You then claim that everyone who's knocking his play doesn't know what they're looking at when it comes to our CB's play. LOL

It's pretty easy to see when a CB gets beat the announcers doing the game don't have any trouble seeing it because they point it out. LOL

You claim that Newman has played well this season but admit that he's been repeatedly beaten. LOL

Here's a comment from Jobberone who you're playing follow the leader with "The problem here is not having someone to take his place. He shouldn't be trying to play CB. It's quite obvious he can't keep up. The reason they put a substandard player on the field is because he's still the best person for the job. That's a sad fact. We didn't keep enough decent CBs on the team this year. The position was badly played.

Here he is throwing Newman under the bus but claims I'm a troll who's not in my right mind for criticizing him. :laugh2:

He's actually being more critical than I've been because I don't think Newman shouldn't be playing the position at all.

Some of you say one thing about Newman attempting to defend him you then turn around and agree he's been getting beat far too often. I don't see how a CB who's been getting beat far too often can be playing well.

Newman wasn't targeted by the Eagles because he's been playing well this season. It only takes a little common sense to figure out why a team enters a game targeting a particular player.

Our secondary is getting beat far too often that's why our defense is giving up a franchise record number of points.

I've already told you that you are not comprehending me. So you go and quote me out of context. How about not spinning what I've said.

You're wrong to criticize the play of an injured player who is only on the field because there is no one to competently replace him. There is a huge difference in a player who lacks the talent to play his position and one who is underperforming because he's injured.

That's what I'm critical of. I've not once criticized you for saying Newman's play has been subpar.

 

[Idgit]

You have apologized for the play of Newman using excuses and packing around with other Newman apologists following their lead.

You've made your way into several of these Newman threads that keep popping every week because he keeps getting beat.

You then claim that everyone who's knocking his play doesn't know what they're looking at when it comes to our CB's play. LOL

It's pretty easy to see when a CB gets beat the announcers doing the game don't have any trouble seeing it because they point it out. LOL

You claim that Newman has played well this season but admit that he's been repeatedly beaten. LOL

Here's a comment from Jobberone who you're playing follow the leader with "The problem here is not having someone to take his place. He shouldn't be trying to play CB. It's quite obvious he can't keep up. The reason they put a substandard player on the field is because he's still the best person for the job. That's a sad fact. We didn't keep enough decent CBs on the team this year. The position was badly played.

Here he is throwing Newman under the bus but claims I'm a troll who's not in my right mind for criticizing him. :laugh2:

He's actually being more critical than I've been because I don't think Newman shouldn't be playing the position at all.

Some of you say one thing about Newman attempting to defend him you then turn around and agree he's been getting beat far too often. I don't see how a CB who's been getting beat far too often can be playing well.

Newman wasn't targeted by the Eagles because he's been playing well this season. It only takes a little common sense to figure out why a team enters a game targeting a particular player.

Our secondary is getting beat far too often that's why our defense is giving up a franchise record number of points.

Dude. What are you talking about? There's not a single thing in this post that's accurate until you get to the last sentence.

In particular, I'm not claiming that everyone who knocks his play doesn't know what they're looking at. I'm claiming you don't know what you're looking at, or talking about. Also, you're not able to follow the thread of an argument, your reading comprehension is pathetic, which makes debating with you completely non-productive.

It's not possible to build a chain of reasoning with you because you flail around the topic misinterpreting things and making things up like a hyperactive toddler playing with a turd he found in a Chuck-e-Cheese ball hut. It's disorienting and messy and not as much fun as it sounds like it's going to be.

I'm not on jobberone's side in this issue. I don't think there's any excuses for playing hurt. I only chimed back in to reinforce that your reading comprehension is atrocious to encourage you to be more thorough in the future. Despite that fact that there's zero chance that happens.

 

[KJJ]

I've already told you that you are not comprehending me. So you go and quote me out of context. How about not spinning what I've said.

I've already told you I have no trouble with comprehension you just keep making excuses.

You say one thing and then you say another. I'm not taking anything you said out of context you called Newman a "substandard" player.

Why did you use that word because he hurt his ribs back in Oct and his ankle back in Nov? He played the following week after each one of those injuries they weren't serious. LOL Injuries that happened weeks ago aren't preventing him from playing or running full speed or caused him to get beat last week. If Ware has a tweak does that reduce him to a "substandard" player?

Are you telling me that everytime Newman gets beat it's because of an injury? Desean Jackson was noticeably limping on an injured foot and still ran 91 yards for a TD.

I haven't heard one coach or anyone who closely follows the Cowboys say Newman is so injured he shouldn't be playing.

Did Newman's rib injury he suffered in Oct prevent him from jumping up and extending his arms to pick off Grossman on Washington's final drive Sunday?

Not once have I seen Newman show any signs of discomfort on the field. If he was as injured as some of you make it sound he wouldn't be out there because our season was over weeks ago.

If he was as injured as some of you would like to believe he wouldn't have started every game this season. If he was so injured he shouldn't be playing he wouldn't be playing and Scandrick who's play is improving or McCann would be taking his place.

No one but you Newman apologists are blaming his declining play on injury. The injury excuse is just that an EXCUSE!

You're wrong to criticize the play of an injured player who is only on the field because there is no one to competently replace him. There is a huge difference in a player who lacks the talent to play his position and one who is underperforming because he's injured.

Yeah Newman is really hobbling around out there poor guy. If there's a huge difference in a player who lacks the talent to play his position and one who's underperforming because he's injured than how come you referred to Newman as a "substandard" player?

If a player has a slight injury that isn't preventing them from playing or running at full speed you don't refer to them as a "substandard" player.

Newman has become a substandard player because his skills are eroding. He'll be 33 at the start of next season and doesn't have the speed he once had. He can't cover speed receivers and it has NOTHING to do with injury.

I've not once criticized you for saying Newman's play has been subpar.

Like all the Newman apologists you're blaming his subpar play on injury. In a previous post you blamed his play on a bad wheel. He suffered that ankle injury Nov 14th against the Giants and it wasn't the dreaded high ankle sprain.

It's been 5 weeks since he hurt that ankle and it never caused him to miss a game. . Other Newman apologists point to his rib injury as an excuse and that injury occurred Oct 26th. LOL

Dez played on 2 bad ankles one a high ankle sprain he hurt in camp and tweaked during the season. He ended up hurting the other ankle and still returned a punt for a TD the following week on 2 bad wheels.

He was more injured than Newman this season and none of his injuries kept him from playing at a high level. Are you going to deny that some of Newman's subpar play isn't a result of him declining as a player?

 

[KJJ]

Dude. What are you talking about?

Try having someone who's clued up explain it to you in layman terms. :toast:

There's not a single thing in this post that's accurate until you get to the last sentence.

You claimed Newman has played well this season do you honestly think most of the fans here are going to buy into anything you have to say? Anyone who claims Newman has played well this season loses all credibility.

In particular, I'm not claiming that everyone who knocks his play doesn't know what they're looking at. I'm claiming you don't know what you're looking at, or talking about.

I'm on the same page with most of the views that have been expressed about Newman so if you're knocking my views you're knocking the views of most everyone else.

Also, you're not able to follow the thread of an argument, your reading comprehension is pathetic, which makes debating with you completely non-productive.

This is all non productive for you because you're one of the only fans in Cowboys nation who actually believes Newman has played well this season. With that stance any debate you enter in on this topic is going to be like standing in front of a firing squad. LOL Most fans here hold players to alot higher standard than you do.

You've admitted Newman has been beaten far too often this season but in the same breath claim he's played well. :laugh2:

It's not possible to build a chain of reasoning with you because you flail around the topic misinterpreting things and making things up like a hyperactive toddler playing with a turd he found in a Chuck-e-Cheese ball hut. It's disorienting and messy and not as much fun as it sounds like it's going to be.

It's not possible to build a chain of reasoning with anyone if they're going to continue to claim Newman has played well this season despite being beaten repeatedly. Are you going to turn around now and say I'm misinterpreting that? LOL No one is making anything up it's all there in your posts for everyone to read.

I'm not on jobberone's side in this issue. I don't think there's any excuses for playing hurt. I only chimed back in to reinforce that your reading comprehension is atrocious to encourage you to be more thorough in the future. Despite that fact that there's zero chance that happens.

You chimed in because you're just another one who has an axe to grind from a previous debate we've had and saw an opportunity to back someone else who's opposing me even though you claim you're not backing them on this issue. LOL I express every opinion I have very thoroughly.

My opinion is Newman hasn't played well this season and is in decline. If you don't agree with me stop wasting our time and move on!

If you think he's playing well and it's everyone else who's at fault in the secondary you'll continue looking foolish.

Start a poll and see how many support your position that he's played well this season and oppose mine that he hasn't and is in decline. :toast:

 

[CCBoy]

You're pathetic with that injury excuse. I hope he didn't further injure himself when he speared that dude laying on the ground

Pathetic, some type insightful strength presupposed or something, huh? I was in a Karate Tournament conducted in Korea. I had my top lip split wide open during a match. The rule of play there, is that you have to continue fighting through the injury...and if not, you were disqualified, even if a foul was committed upon yourself. That, although, doesn't describe the mental aspect of forcing one's conduct and physical play through the threshhold of pain to be competitive.

Cas was respecting the guts of the player as well as his play, DESPITE, his injury...which is a valued aspect with sportsmanship.

Hardly a comment deserving of your comment...pathetic.

Your descriptive adjective more applicable to your own comment, instead.

 

[Concord]

Question...

What does Ohio State resemble when they face the SEC?

Got to love that win Peyton Manning hung on your "All Star" team...

Now, that is "Toast".

P.S.

Are you a Bobby Carpenter fan?

Seriously?

You're going to bring college football into this?

Beyond weak.

Deal with it and get off Newman's jock.

 

[PBJTime]

Try having someone who's clued up explain it to you in layman terms. :toast:

....blah, blah, blah...


Start a poll and see how many support your position that he's played well this season and oppose mine that he hasn't and is in decline. :toast:

Your whole argument is one big argumentum ad populum. You wonder why people argue with you? It's because your arguments are flimsy, at best. That, and many of your comments are pretty inflammatory.

 

[KJJ]

Your whole argument is one big argumentum ad populum. You wonder why people argue with you? It's because your arguments are flimsy, at best. That, and many of your comments are pretty inflammatory.

Are you saying you agree with his argument that Newman has played well this season despite being repeatedly beaten or did you just show up to blow off some steam? The ones who repeatedly argue with me are the ones who's arguments have been repeatedly shot down by me. I suggest you do some research. If my arguments are so flimsy I challenge you to shoot down some of them. Up for the challenge? :toast: By the way if you're going to quote me don't add your own personal touch to my quote!

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Pathetic, some type insightful strength presupposed or something, huh? I was in a Karate Tournament conducted in Korea. I had my top lip split wide open during a match. The rule of play there, is that you have to continue fighting through the injury...and if not, you were disqualified, even if a foul was committed upon yourself. That, although, doesn't describe the mental aspect of forcing one's conduct and physical play through the threshhold of pain to be competitive.

Cas was respecting the guts of the player as well as his play, DESPITE, his injury...which is a valued aspect with sportsmanship.

Hardly a comment deserving of your comment...pathetic.

Your descriptive adjective more applicable to your own comment, instead.

From your jibberish post, it appears you took one too many hit to your noggin. Now, go back to watching Karate Kid. "Wax on, wax off."

 

[jobberone]

I've already told you I have no trouble with comprehension you just keep making excuses.

You say one thing and then you say another. I'm not taking anything you said out of context you called Newman a "substandard" player.

Why did you use that word because he hurt his ribs back in Oct and his ankle back in Nov? He played the following week after each one of those injuries they weren't serious. LOL Injuries that happened weeks ago aren't preventing him from playing or running full speed or caused him to get beat last week. If Ware has a tweak does that reduce him to a "substandard" player?

Are you telling me that everytime Newman gets beat it's because of an injury? Desean Jackson was noticeably limping on an injured foot and still ran 91 yards for a TD.

I haven't heard one coach or anyone who closely follows the Cowboys say Newman is so injured he shouldn't be playing.

Did Newman's rib injury he suffered in Oct prevent him from jumping up and extending his arms to pick off Grossman on Washington's final drive Sunday?

Not once have I seen Newman show any signs of discomfort on the field. If he was as injured as some of you make it sound he wouldn't be out there because our season was over weeks ago.

If he was as injured as some of you would like to believe he wouldn't have started every game this season. If he was so injured he shouldn't be playing he wouldn't be playing and Scandrick who's play is improving or McCann would be taking his place.

No one but you Newman apologists are blaming his declining play on injury. The injury excuse is just that an EXCUSE!




Yeah Newman is really hobbling around out there poor guy. If there's a huge difference in a player who lacks the talent to play his position and one who's underperforming because he's injured than how come you referred to Newman as a "substandard" player?

If a player has a slight injury that isn't preventing them from playing or running at full speed you don't refer to them as a "substandard" player.

Newman has become a substandard player because his skills are eroding. He'll be 33 at the start of next season and doesn't have the speed he once had. He can't cover speed receivers and it has NOTHING to do with injury.



Like all the Newman apologists you're blaming his subpar play on injury. In a previous post you blamed his play on a bad wheel. He suffered that ankle injury Nov 14th against the Giants and it wasn't the dreaded high ankle sprain.

It's been 5 weeks since he hurt that ankle and it never caused him to miss a game. . Other Newman apologists point to his rib injury as an excuse and that injury occurred Oct 26th. LOL

Dez played on 2 bad ankles one a high ankle sprain he hurt in camp and tweaked during the season. He ended up hurting the other ankle and still returned a punt for a TD the following week on 2 bad wheels.

He was more injured than Newman this season and none of his injuries kept him from playing at a high level. Are you going to deny that some of Newman's subpar play isn't a result of him declining as a player?

Here's just one example of your poor reading comprehension. I didn't say Newman was a substandard player. I said his play this year is substandard for him. Spin and distort is the name of your game.

You have a poor understanding of the game. It's quite obvious Newman is not turning and running well just to mention one aspect of his game. If you can't understand how bruised ribs which takes weeks to heal and a bad ankle could create a problem for a professional athlete especially a CB, then you aren't worth debating with. I've treated dozens of patients with injuries to the chest wall. Many have trouble merely walking around and sleeping much less trying to play professional football. And many of those injuries take months to heal. It's absurd to expect a 4.3 athlete to maintain his athleticism, speed, and mobility when injured.

In fact I feel foolish for wasting my time trying to talk with you. You're so far out in left field on this you can't begin to comprehend the other side of this argument.

I'm tired of debating with you. I'll let you have the last word.

 

[Concord]

From your jibberish post, it appears you took one too many hit to your noggin. Now, go back to watching Karate Kid. "Wax on, wax off."

:laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

Here's just one example of your poor reading comprehension. I didn't say Newman was a substandard player. I said his play this year is substandard for him. Spin and distort is the name of your game.

You just gave an example of how you spin and distort. LOL You most certainly did call him a substandard player here's your exact quote "The reason they put a substandard player on the field is because he's still the best person for the job. That's a sad fact. We didn't keep enough decent CBs on the team this year. The position was badly played." Who were you saying had trouble with comprehension? :laugh2:

You have a poor understanding of the game.

Why because I don't agree with you? LOL I have a very good understanding of the game and anyone who does can clearly see that Newman hasn't performed well this season and is in decline.

I'm not pinning all our pass coverage problems on him I put most of the blame on our safeties but Newman has been part of the problem just like Jenkins. It's been subpar play from the entire group that's causing the Cowboys to give up a franchise record number of points.

It's quite obvious Newman is not turning and running well just to mention one aspect of his game. If you can't understand how bruised ribs which takes weeks to heal and a bad ankle could create a problem for a professional athlete especially a CB, then you aren't worth debating with.

Yeah it's been quite obvious because he's in decline. He's played with injuries in the past and never got beat like he's been getting beat this season.

It's been 2 months since he hurt his ribs and never missed a start which means it wasn't serious.

As for his ankle it wasn't as bad as the one Dez suffered in camp that he ended up tweaking during the season.

He then hurt the other ankle and even had a rib injury in between. He still played at a high level and was arguably the best player on the team this season.

It's not easy playing on a bad ankle for a WR either especially 2 bad ankles.

I've treated dozens of patients with injuries to the chest wall. Many have trouble merely walking around and sleeping much less trying to play professional football. And many of those injuries take months to heal. It's absurd to expect a 4.3 athlete to maintain his athleticism, speed, and mobility when injured.

So you're a doctor? Athletes are a different breed than most of the patients you probably treat.

They're use to playing with injuries and most can play affectively. If any of Newman's injuries were that serious he would have missed at least one start.

Him getting repeatedly beat this season had nothing to do with injuries. He's been fooled and just flat out beaten. He doesn't have the speed to recover and make up ground on some of these speed receivers. I haven't heard one person around Valley Ranch say his problems in coverage have been due to injuries.

Go find an article that claims injuries are hampering his play.

In fact I feel foolish for wasting my time trying to talk with you. You're so far out in left field on this you can't begin to comprehend the other side of this argument.

Of course you feel foolish it's been like target practice shooting holes in all your excuses. LOL All you've been doing is making excuses for why Newman's play has been subpar this season and I'm the one out in left field?

You're alone on an Island with 3 other fans one who thinks Newman is still a top 5 corner. :laugh2:

I'm tired of debating with you. I'll let you have the last word.

You should be tired your argument has no wings. Injury excuses for a player who's skills have clearly declined simply aren't going to fly especially when you look back at how affective Dez was this season despite battling injuries. This debate is all a matter of opinion you don't agree with my views and I don't agree with yours so let's move on. :toast:

 

[casmith07]

Here's just one example of your poor reading comprehension. I didn't say Newman was a substandard player. I said his play this year is substandard for him. Spin and distort is the name of your game.

You have a poor understanding of the game. It's quite obvious Newman is not turning and running well just to mention one aspect of his game. If you can't understand how bruised ribs which takes weeks to heal and a bad ankle could create a problem for a professional athlete especially a CB, then you aren't worth debating with. I've treated dozens of patients with injuries to the chest wall. Many have trouble merely walking around and sleeping much less trying to play professional football. And many of those injuries take months to heal. It's absurd to expect a 4.3 athlete to maintain his athleticism, speed, and mobility when injured.

In fact I feel foolish for wasting my time trying to talk with you. You're so far out in left field on this you can't begin to comprehend the other side of this argument.

I'm tired of debating with you. I'll let you have the last word.

They will never learn. If the players aren't playing perfect football for 16 weeks, then they are a bum and must be cut.

Agendas. Some people have them.

Your observations pretty much shut down anything any of these ingrates in here would even attempt to come back with. Well done, jobber.

 

[casmith07]

My guess is many of the people in here are the same people that were screaming to cut Ken Hamlin.

 

[burmafrd]

You're pathetic with that injury excuse. I hope he didn't further injure himself when he speared that dude laying on the ground

The Only pathetic poster is YOU.

 

[burmafrd]

So now KJJ knows more about a body than a doctor? Talk about arrogant.