Terence Newman

[RoyTheHammer]

The posts aren't as brutal as your lack of having a GPS sytem in the vehicle that YOU are driving...to talk you through associations of application. Rather than spoon feeding directions.

When you get a little hazy, just bring to view a contrast with the points that your last posting tried to build as supportive. Maybe big picture word puzzles would be more fun...than clarifying elements lacking in your own perspectives. That is, without an attempt to first insult you for YOUR lack of a more comprehensive overview. Some once thought cosmopolitan was a note of a sophisticated society. You merely want bread and butter insult supported by a meat clever mentality.

I would work on the basic words first, then try and toss in a few of the bigger ones. I'd stay away from the ridiculous attempts at analogy until you have a much better grasp of simple word meanings and proper usage. The English language is clearly not your friend.

Honestly.. brutal. :stop:

 

[CCBoy]

I would work on the basic words first, then try and toss in a few of the bigger ones. I'd stay away from the ridiculous attempts at analogy until you have a much better grasp of simple word meanings and proper usage. The English language is clearly not your friend.

Honestly.. brutal. :stop:

Once you get your FIRST sheep's skin, and gain a touch of instructive perspective, I'll listen to what you say. As to being consistent in ridicule, and never touching upon topic, just reflects a total misdirection of your own ability to discuss topic. If topic were your concern, you wouldn't have arrived at FIVE, count 'em up, Ace, insults based purely upon style. Not content, specific word useage, or actual appropriateness. Since you lack credabilities on all those considerations....get a life, or simpler....LEARN TO LISTEN. Not all stated is stupid. So, why would YOU be? But for your own ease without any real mental cost to yourself...and your preferred Cliff Notes on topic: It's easier for you just to be a dumb wit. And clamor social sophistications as well as support.

Beyond having strong posterior expulsion abilities, you don't establish merit as a critic.


Just starting with your first sentence, you failed to use a connective word following a comma. Studless...and your first lesson is that to make an on-the-spot correction on standard, you have to FIRST be perfect in your own.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Once you get your FIRST sheep's skin, and gain a touch of instructive perspective, I'll listen to what you say. As to being consistent in ridicule, and never touching upon topic, just reflects a total misdirection of your own ability to discuss topic. If topic were your concern, you wouldn't have arrived at FIVE, count 'em up, Ace, insults based purely upon style. Not content, specific word useage, or actual appropriateness. Since you lack credabilities on all those considerations....get a life, or simpler....LEARN TO LISTEN. Not all stated is stupid. So, why would YOU be? But for your own ease without any real mental cost to yourself...and your preferred Cliff Notes on topic: It's easier for you just to be a dumb wit. And clamor social sophistications as well as support.

Beyond having strong posterior expulsion abilities, you don't establish merit as a critic.


Just starting with your first sentence, you failed to use a connective word following a comma. Studless...and your first lesson is that to make an on-the-spot correction on standard, you have to FIRST be perfect in your own.

Keep digging that hole..

As for topic, its something you might consider getting back to in this thread, rather than continuing with this mindless exhibition of your lack of intelligence.

At least you figured out how to incorperate the smilies into your posts though.

+1 for effort.



Anyway, Newman did give us some good years here, although i question if he ever played up to his potential and physical abilities. He was a very good CB for us, and whether he fell off this year because of injury or because of other reasons, i think most all of us can agree he has not played well this season. That's really all that matters, no excuses. We'd be helping ourselves to bring some young talent in next year who can provide serious competition for a starting spot. It'll be tough because our deficiencies on defense are across the board. We need definate help on the DL and at S.

I do still think we have a good core of talent on our defense though, with Ware, Jenkins, Rat, Bradie, Lee, and even guys like Bowen and Brent.

I think we can turn it around next year, we just have to draft effectively and make a serious run at a top FA or two. We can't afford to stand idly by in FA again and expect to get better. I have no idea what Jerry was thinking last year honestly.

 

[CCBoy]

Keep digging that hole..

As for topic, its something you might consider getting back to in this thread, rather than continuing with this mindless exhibition of your lack of intelligence.

At least you figured out how to incorperate the smilies into your posts though.

+1 for effort.



Anyway, Newman did give us some good years here, although i question if he ever played up to his potential and physical abilities. He was a very good CB for us, and whether he fell off this year because of injury or because of other reasons, i think most all of us can agree he has not played well this season. That's really all that matters, no excuses. We'd be helping ourselves to bring some young talent in next year who can provide serious competition for a starting spot. It'll be tough because our deficiencies on defense are across the board. We need definate help on the DL and at S.

I do still think we have a good core of talent on our defense though, with Ware, Jenkins, Rat, Bradie, Lee, and even guys like Bowen and Brent.

I think we can turn it around next year, we just have to draft effectively and make a serious run at a top FA or two. We can't afford to stand idly by in FA again and expect to get better. I have no idea what Jerry was thinking last year honestly.

There are a lot of things that you just don't get...as to topic, indicators and directional inclusions are in almost all of my posts. Your count doesn't approach 50%, so let up on the volume of high ground inclusions.

I really don't think that the talent and production levels possible are missing from almost this entire group. Direction has to be forged more strongly and that is just what is under the microscope for this team at present.

If YOU haven't noticed, when YOU are more consistent to topic, and all is not insultive and pure arrogance on YOUR part, then topics are actually presented and developed.

Just for focus, it's not all in failure by specific players. The future will take care of itself, but Jason Garrett has a hold of the rudder in this organization today. Got that? Jerry will bend to that hand on the direction of his vessel.

That's not a bad thing in of itself. Got that?

But to rush to the cutting board with meat clever in hand is never a smart direction to run towards as a policy. By the way, what professional organization that you grew within, took to cutting all laborers instead of developing them up at a top level? None that I know of, and it applies organizationally to these Cowboys.

Now, have any problems pulling your lame butte out of that discussion to this point?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

There are a lot of things that you just don't get...as to topic, indicators and directional inclusions are in almost all of my posts. Your count doesn't approach 50%, so let up on the volume of high ground inclusions.

I really don't think that the talent and production levels possible are missing from almost this entire group. Direction has to be forged more strongly and that is just what is under the microscope for this team at present.

If YOU haven't noticed, when YOU are more consistent to topic, and all is not insultive and pure arrogance on YOUR part, then topics are actually presented and developed.

Just for focus, it's not all in failure by specific players. The future will take care of itself, but Jason Garrett has a hold of the rudder in this organization today. Got that? Jerry will bend to that hand on the direction of his vessel.

That's not a bad thing in of itself. Got that?

But to rush to the cutting board with meat clever in hand is never a smart direction to run towards as a policy. By the way, what professional organization that you grew within, took to cutting all laborers instead of developing them up at a top level? None that I know of, and it applies organizationally to these Cowboys.

Now, have any problems pulling your lame butte out of that discussion to this point?

Your persistence in butchering the English language aside, are you honestly suggesting that Garrett is running this franchise and Jerry will bend to his will? Please.. we've seen examples which already show that is not the case.


... and who said anything about cutting our "laborers"?

 

[KJJ]

Leon Spinks had much more applied skills than yourself...and if a bet were laid on the table, it probably came from acute analysis of both technique and generalized style of an opponent. Your own example beat you up here, rather than trying to relate to the general direction I was heading. Too bad you use a stop light camera to evaluate types of stops and a license plate veiw to determine whether a real road hazard applies....oh, and handle connecting those dots yourself.

As the obvious being the secondary, the only change in it was Ball's insertion for Hamlin. Kind of twists your association of a classification's simplicity being that Newman was now old.

Dude your drivel is becoming too painful to read. Come back when you learn how to formulate your thoughts into something that makes sense.

 

[CCBoy]

Dude your drivel is becoming too painful to read. Come back when you learn how to formulate your thoughts into something that makes sense.

Dudette, pick up conversation when you have a real view of franchise directions right now. Not what emotion is left on your palate by a fabricating media, and other moaning fans. Don't feign insight when you are a cartoon conneseur, yourself. As if you are a plastic surgeon with a scapel...heck, you'd cut your own fingers plum off. And you have a sophisticated use of language? You could get that level of artistry at summer camp about the age that Boy Scouts appear....wooo hooo. Seer of tea leaves and froggie stumps. You wouldn't even know about Scouting, except that girls started to join about then also.

Just think, if you'd grow hair also...you'd be a bloodhound.

 

[CCBoy]

Your persistence in butchering the English language aside, are you honestly suggesting that Garrett is running this franchise and Jerry will bend to his will? Please.. we've seen examples which already show that is not the case.


... and who said anything about cutting our "laborers"?

C'mon now, you think you have ANY inkling where labor issues are driving towards, even before this season ends. Laborers? Yea, smartdumb....as to vessel direction, it would take a trip wire blinded fool not to see where Garrett has ALLREADY led this very team of Cowboys. Play that off as well, and look for a toadstool to hide under when dark clouds approach that vantage point. But you are the worldly view spouter here...

 

[KJJ]

Dudette, pick up conversation when you have a real view of franchise directions right now. Not what emotion is left on your palate by a fabricating media, and other moaning fans. Don't feign insight when you are a cartoon conneseur, yourself. As if you are a plastic surgeon with a scapel...heck, you'd cut your own fingers plum off. And you have a sophisticated use of language? You could get that level of artistry at summer camp about the age that Boy Scouts appear....wooo hooo. Seer of tea leaves and froggie stumps. You wouldn't even know about Scouting, except that girls started to join about then also.

Just think, if you'd grow hair also...you'd be a bloodhound.

You should try staying away from your keyboard until you have a better understanding of Linguistics.

And you have a sophisticated use of language? You could get that level of artistry at summer camp about the age that Boy Scouts appear....wooo hooo. Seer of tea leaves and froggie stumps. You wouldn't even know about Scouting, except that girls started to join about then also.

If you think your use of the English language makes you look sophisticated you're failing miserably. LOL The way you throw words together could be mastered by downing a bottle of Jack. :laugh2: If you just want to flame PM me and I'll give you the link to a board that has several who like yourself are unable to formulate a sentence that makes any sense.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

CCBoy - Even the Newman apologists don't want you on their side. You are an embarrassment to logic and the English language.

Continue to "wax on poetically, wax off poetically." Your posts are "works of art." Don't stop.

 

[casmith07]

Seriously, I think you confuse toughness with a medical evaluation involving elite athletes being paid at top dollar prices. Newman showed that he would put up with the physical pain involved...but that doesn't mean he yet has full ability to turn on a dime and sprint like a deer, yet. Just turning hampered affects a cornerback acutely.

You have allready been presented a reasonable comparison on topic...but chose to ignore the human side to function. Oh, it's real...and lasts longer than your considerations for just being 'tough.'

I agree. Injuries to your core affect everything. I'm surprised he can still play how he is playing now, especially because they're strapping on pads on Wednesdays and probably going 70% contact as opposed to not having pads and being able to heal. He's not really getting a break to rest his ribs.

He won't be 100% until next season. I can't believe it isn't more obvious than this...his side of the field didn't exist until he got hurt, then people started throwing on his side because they know he's hobbled. It really isn't rocket surgery.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

only time I'll comment on TN: he's a good corner who gets little help from safeties or schemes

 

[Idgit]

The prospect of a likely KJJ + CCBoy slapfight gives this thread epic potential. Make it happen!

 

[28 Joker]

I agree. Injuries to your core affect everything. I'm surprised he can still play how he is playing now, especially because they're strapping on pads on Wednesdays and probably going 70% contact as opposed to not having pads and being able to heal. He's not really getting a break to rest his ribs.

He won't be 100% until next season. I can't believe it isn't more obvious than this...his side of the field didn't exist until he got hurt, then people started throwing on his side because they know he's hobbled. It really isn't rocket surgery.

Good observations and thoughts, casmith07.

Newman was playing some really good football during the first half. You could argue that he was Dallas' best player on defense for a while. He was playing consistently very good. Broaddus was one guy who noted how consistent Newman was playing. He used the word dependable, I think.

Armstrong states that he can run a 4.2, and he is the Commanders fastest WR. Moose Johnston stated that Newman came out of his break late on that play. That makes sense when Newman stated that he thought Armstrong was going to run the slant. If you come out of your break late, that can make a difference with a guy as fast as Armstrong, especially when there is no free safety in the middle of the field, deep. Armstrong beat Jenkins in the first game.

I saw the play on NFL Playbook, too. They were talking about the top of Dallas' coverage on that play not respecting the speed of Armstrong. Sensabaugh was way more deep for Moss on Jenkins' side, but Ball was playing underneath and much more shallow. It doesn't matter why Ball was too shallow; he was too shallow on that play.

The top of Dallas' coverage on that play was 30 yards. Again, for what ever reason, Alan Ball is playing too far up. Newman took the blame for "hanging his safety out to dry". I'm not laying blame on that play, because I don't know what happened. I just know what Newman stated.

I'm just telling everyone what Brian Baldinger was talking about on that play. Ball has the underneath crossing route doubled, but it is covered well by the linebacker. The positioning of the safety on that play didn't respect the speed of Armstrong. Again, that was straight from Brian Baldinger. They were showing Dallas play the Eagles 40 yards at the top of the coverage, and DeSean Jackson exposed the wide open middle of the zone. The Commanders didn't play the Eagles deep enough at the top of their coverage, and they were showing the Eagles light them up.

Anyway, Newman came off his guy when he ran the slant and intercepted the game sealer. He guessed wrong one time and right the other. Watch his interception, his guy runs the slant.

I think sometimes people forget to realize that the other team has guys who can really run, too.

If Newman was having major trouble running, they would be attacking him deep all the time, during the entire game. That isn't happening. You are seeing isolated incidents that can be explained if you analyze the play.

"Some" may say that you are making "excuses", but they are not interested in analyzing the play and figuring out why it happened. I guarantee you the Cowboys coaches and scouts and personnel people analyze the plays in detail to figure out why. They see the big picture and the small details.

A doctor's job is to identify the problem and solve the problem.

A teacher's job is to identify problems and slove them.

The three isolated plays that are under scrutiny are things that are very explainable and very correctable, despite what a few uber-anti-Newman idealogues want to portray.

 

[Idgit]

Good observations and thoughts, casmith07.

Newman was playing some really good football during the first half. You could argue that he was Dallas' best player on defense for a while. He was playing consistently very good. Broaddus was one guy who noted how consistent Newman was playing. He used the word dependable, I think.

Armstrong states that he can run a 4.2, and he is the Commanders fastest WR. Moose Johnston stated that Newman came out of his break late on that play. That makes sense when Newman stated that he thought Armstrong was going to run the slant. If you come out of your break late, that can make a difference with a guy as fast as Armstrong, especially when there is no free safety in the middle of the field, deep. Armstrong beat Jenkins in the first game.

I saw the play on NFL Playbook, too. They were talking about the top of Dallas' coverage on that play not respecting the speed of Armstrong. Sensabaugh was way more deep for Moss on Jenkins' side, but Ball was playing underneath and much more shallow. It doesn't matter why Ball was too shallow; he was too shallow on that play.

The top of Dallas' coverage on that play was 30 yards. Again, for what ever reason, Alan Ball is playing too far up. Newman took the blame for "hanging his safety out to dry". I'm not laying blame on that play, because I don't know what happened. I just know what Newman stated.

I'm just telling everyone what Brian Baldinger was talking about on that play. Ball has the underneath crossing route doubled, but it is covered well by the linebacker. The positioning of the safety on that play didn't respect the speed of Armstrong. Again, that was straight from Brian Baldinger. They were showing Dallas play the Eagles 40 yards at the top of the coverage, and DeSean Jackson exposed the wide open middle of the zone. The Commanders didn't play the Eagles deep enough at the top of their coverage, and they were showing the Eagles light them up.

Anyway, Newman came off his guy when he ran the slant and intercepted the game sealer. He guessed wrong one time and right the other. Watch his interception, his guy runs the slant.

I think sometimes people forget to realize that the other team has guys who can really run, too.

If Newman was having major trouble running, they would be attacking him deep all the time, during the entire game. That isn't happening. You are seeing isolated incidents that can be explained if you analyze the play.

"Some" may say that you are making "excuses", but they are not interested in analyzing the play and figuring out why it happened. I guarantee you the Cowboys coaches and scouts and personnel people analyze the plays in detail to figure out why. They see the big picture and the small details.

A doctor's job is to identify the problem and solve the problem.

A teacher's job is to identify problems and slove them.

The three isolated plays that are under scrutiny are things that are very explainable and very correctable, despite what a few uber-anti-Newman idealogues want to portray.

Wisenhunt was specifically complimentary of our CBs in his conference call this week, too. Saying they are aggressive and talented and man-cover well. He was quiet about the safety play, though.

 

[FLcowboy]

I think this is the 20,000th Newman thread this month... :bang2:

20,001 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[KJJ]

Wisenhunt was specifically complimentary of our CBs in his conference call this week, too. Saying they are aggressive and talented and man-cover well. He was quiet about the safety play, though.

All opposing coaches are complimentary of everyone they play against regardless how weak their opponent is in a certain area. When's the last time you heard an opposing coach trash the play of their opposition? Get real!

They aren't looking to create bulletin board material to inspire their opponent or cause their own team to enter a game over confident. Do you also believe Jenkins has played well this season? :laugh2:

 

[PBJTime]

Then what are you arguing about?

I'm not arguing about anything with you. As I've said, you have no clear point to debate. I am stating that I believe there is a reason for the sudden drop in play. What's more likely, that he just "lost a step" because he hit a magical age boundary, or that an injury is affecting him? I suspect you have no real understanding of kinesiology and don't fully grasp how a core injury could truly degrade a CB's quickness. Trunk rotation has a huge effect on quickness and change of direction.

What you believe and what you know are two different things. You don't treat Newman therefore you don't know if anything is ailing him or not.

Likewise. What you believe is no different. You offer no facts on reasoning for the degradation in Newman's performance. The only thing you continually spout off about is how an injury is just an excuse. Clearly, you have little understanding of cause and effect.

Dez had a rib injury and it didn't turn him into a subpar player. You haven't examined Newman's ribs so you don't know what he's going through.

As you have made abundantly clear, none of us have any insight as to the nature of injury to either player, including severity. Who are you to say that because one player continued to perform, that the other should have done the same?

He injured his ribs in late Oct and never missed a start it doesn't take a doctor to tell it wasn't a serious injury.

It doesn't take a serious injury to degrade performance. A grade one ankle sprain is hardly considered severe, yet it can seriously degrade performance!

Like you said not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way but if Newman was in excruciating pain it would be evident on the field after every play he's involved in and the Cowboys wouldn't have him out there.

Not necessarily. You do understand that players play injured all the time and that many injuries are detrimental to how those players play, right? You can't seriously think that players are either 100% and on the field or injured and off the field? Surely, you understand there are shades of gray and a wide spectrum of injuries to players in the NFL every game, some causing more detriment than others?

I listen to every PC and not once did anyone ever ask Wade or Garrett if Newman's struggles are because he's injured. Until you can come up with an article that speculates his subpar play is due to injury it's just an excuse.

So, if I came up with an article that speculated his subpar play is due to an injury, you'd just drop this whole act? I highly doubt that. Even so, you backing down at the drop of a speculative article should illustrate how flimsy your argument is, no?

The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season is proof enough that he's not as injured as some of you would like to believe. I've seen no signs of discomfort from him on the field.

I'm glad we have your trained eye to rely on.

His ribs didn't prevent him from jumping up and picking off Grossman to end the game Sunday.

You believe this is solid evidence to back your assertions, I'm sure.

That's just another excuse because you can't refute anything I've said. It's an easy way out. You claimed all my arguments are flimsy but when challenged to shoot some of them down you cop out. By not taking me up on my challenge you just helped strengthen my argument. :toast:

There is nothing to debate here. It's all speculation that cannot be refuted one way or another. You've already discounted any stats that may be brought into the "debate." You fail to understand that you are atrocious with logical fallacies, to the point of not being able to have a reasonable debate with you. What else is there to see here? At least I can admit that my beliefs are simply that, beliefs. You can't prove them wrong anymore than I can yours. Give me a solid point to debate, and I may take you up on it. If not, then realize that you are just speculating like the rest of us. His play has declined. I never denied that. I simply have a different opinion as to the cause.

My mind will never change from thinking Newman is in decline he'll be 33 at the start of next season. His best days are behind him. The stats Adam has posted on Newman don't hold water.

Way to go out on a limb there. I don't think he'll get much better, but I doubt his body decided to slow down so abruptly because he aged half a year.

Go checkout the stats he posted a couple of weeks ago comparing Newman with Champ Bailey, Darrell Green and Ronnie Lott. LOL

He had stats comparing Newman as a punt returner with Billy White Shoes Johnson for crying out loud.

Newman has made one pro bowl as a reserve and another pro bowl as a replacement for a reserve.

My argument on Newman is solid he's an aging player who's slowing down and is in decline. If you got any ammo to shoot that claim down be my guest! :toast:

I get it, we can't use stats.

Just FYI I've never had any hate for Newman. I pull for him every week like I do all the players on the team.

Newman may have some tread left but it's getting thin and regardless of why his play has decline if it continues to slide the Cowboys are going to have to find his replacement sooner rather than later.

I'm all for drafting a replacement to groom.

Keep your personal touch out of my quotes! If you're going to quote me don't tamper with it. All you've done is decline my challenge and continue to make injury excuses for Newman's play. You could have done that in two sentences. LOL

Let's be truthful here. My personal touches are much better for people to read than your original quotes.

 

[KJJ]

Let's be truthful here. My personal touches are much better for people to read than your original quotes.

I'm not arguing about anything with you. As I've said, you have no clear point to debate.

So I guess you just keep responding because you enjoy my company? LOL The fact is I've made some very good points that you can't refute. :toast:

I am stating that I believe there is a reason for the sudden drop in play.

There is a reason he's pushing 33 and he's a number of nagging injuries through the years and it's all resulted in a decline in his play. This happens to older players.

It's never been easy playing CB in the NFL but it's gotten alot more difficult in recent years with the rule changes.

Years ago corners could bump receivers all the way down the field now they can't touch them after 5 yards. The rules favor the offense to promote scoring.

With the bigger faster receivers we see in todays game a corner has to be at the top of their game and have youth on their side or they'll be abused.

What's more likely, that he just "lost a step" because he hit a magical age boundary, or that an injury is affecting him?

What's more likely is he's suffered alot of little nagging injuries through the years and with his advancing age it's taken it's toll.

He's clearly not as fast as he once was and this was evident as far back as 07.

He picked off a pass against Bufflao and had 70 yards of daylight between him and the endzone with no one within 10 yards of him and was run down immediately by 2 players one was an RB. There was alot of talk about it at the time.

In 08 against the Steelers Newman made one slight mistake biting on a move by Santonio Holmes and Holmes flew right past him beating him for a 47 yard gain that helped turn that game around for the Steelers.

Earlier in Newman's career he had good recovery speed in the event a receiver got by him which enabled him to catch up and make a play on the ball at the very end.

This is no longer the case he makes one slight mistake now and he's toast!

I suspect you have no real understanding of kinesiology and don't fully grasp how a core injury could truly degrade a CB's quickness. Trunk rotation has a huge effect on quickness and change of direction.

I have a perfect understanding of what's going on Newman is an aging player who's in decline and you and several others are doing nothing but claiming his subpar play is a result of injury.

According to you apologists he's too hurt to play making it sound like if he was 100% healthy he could blanket any receiver in the league and would be playing at a pro bowl level.

Do you honestly believe he has the same speed now that he had when he came into the league? Like I keep saying I haven't heard anyone close to the Cowboys say Newman is injured right now.

Likewise. What you believe is no different. You offer no facts on reasoning for the degradation in Newman's performance. The only thing you continually spout off about is how an injury is just an excuse. Clearly, you have little understanding of cause and effect.

I've given you one fact for his degradation he's getting older unless you have a study that shows football players get faster and their skills improve after the age of 32. LOL

With Newman saying an injury has resulted in his subpar play is an excuse. He suffered his first injury in late Oct but prior to that injury he still had receivers running past him. Explain that?

You could clearly see in replays that receivers were able to separate from him and make plays on him prior to the 2 injuries he suffered.

This shoots down the injury excuse you apologists have been chanting. He suffered his ankle injury Nov 14th and it wasn't the dreaded high ankle sprain.

It's been almsot 8 weeks since he hurt his ribs and and almost 6 weeks since he hurt his ankle you apologists keep using those injuries as an excuse for his subpar play.

You don't seem to understand that if he was being hampered by these injuries it would come up during the weekly press conferences and Newman would be asked about it.

His injuries are only being used as an excuse here by a bunch of armchair fans who are looking for excuses and can't come to grips that he's in decline.

As you have made abundantly clear, none of us have any insight as to the nature of injury to either player, including severity. Who are you to say that because one player continued to perform, that the other should have done the same?

Dez was injured alot worse than Newman he had a high ankle sprain which is one of the most feared injuries because it can hamper a player for an entire season. Alot of focus was put on his injuries and not so with Newman.

That high ankle sprain cost Dez almost all of training camp and all of preseason. He ended up tweaking that same ankle during the season that caused him to limp off the field late in a game. He even suffered an injury to the other ankle that left him questionable a few days prior to a game.

He ended up returning a punt 91 yards on two bad ankles. The big difference between Dez and Newman is in age there's 11 years that separate them.

If injuries that happened WEEKS ago are affecting Newman's play so much that it's caused this decline in his ability then finding his replacement needs to be one of the Cowboys top priorities.

If every little tweak is going to cause his play to drop way off we need to start looking for his replacement because his he'll be hobbling again at some point next season.

My main argument is that Newman hasn't played well this season and is part of the problem in our secondary. You seem to agree except you're blaming his subpar play totally on injuries.

Dude he was healthy early this season I mentioned this earlier and receivers were still able to separate from him and make plays.

Regardless if it's injuries, age or whatever Newman's play has declined!

It doesn't take a serious injury to degrade performance. A grade one ankle sprain is hardly considered severe, yet it can seriously degrade performance!

Do me a favor and go find someone other than a Newman apologist from this board that says an ankle injury he suffered almost 6 weeks ago has seriously degraded his performance.

Could it have been an injury from 2 years ago that's still nagging him that degraded his performance the first 8 games this season? LOL

He had receivers getting by him all game long vs Green Bay a week prior to injuring his ankle.

So let me guess it was the ribs he hurt in Oct that caused his issues in that game?

You do understand that players play injured all the time and that many injuries are detrimental to how those players play, right? You can't seriously think that players are either 100% and on the field or injured and off the field? Surely, you understand there are shades of gray and a wide spectrum of injuries to players in the NFL every game, some causing more detriment than others?

I've said repeatedly that players play injured all the time but if a player is too injured to play like some are saying about Newman they wouldn't be playing.

Teams aren't going to play a player who's totally ineffective due to injury. If you're going to keep responding to me at least read my posts!

I understand that if a players performance is being hampered by an injury it's going to be brought up by the media and the coach and the player will also address it.

So, if I came up with an article that speculated his subpar play is due to an injury, you'd just drop this whole act? I highly doubt that. Even so, you backing down at the drop of a speculative article should illustrate how flimsy your argument is, no?

Of course not because it would be just someone's else's opinion but at least it would give you Newman apologists someone more credible than another armchair fan from this board who's crying that he's injured.

I'm not about to drop anything off of one person's opinion when it comes to football. Now if Newman was made inactive the final 2 games and Garrett explains he's just too injured to play THEN I'll drop it.

That would be solid proof that he hasn't been healthy. I don't back down from any position I have off of someone else's opinion. You keep saying my argument is flimsy then what's my argument?

Tell me exactly what my argument is and let's see you shoot it down. Don't cop out with more excuses it makes you look wishy washy.

There is nothing to debate here. It's all speculation that cannot be refuted one way or another.

We've been arguing for 2 days because there's nothing to debate here? :laugh2: Newman being repeatedly beaten this season is a FACT! The only specualtion is coming from you and a few other Newman apologists who are blaming his subpar play on injury.

You've already discounted any stats that may be brought into the "debate."

Anyone who posts stats comparing Newman with Darrell Green, Champ Bailey and Ronnie Lott are going to be discounted. :toast:

You fail to understand that you are atrocious with logical fallacies, to the point of not being able to have a reasonable debate with you.

You fail to realize you keep making excuses because you can't refute anything I've said. Dude you've agreed with alot of things I've said except you're using injuries as an excuse.

At least I can admit that my beliefs are simply that, beliefs.

Look, if you want to believe Newman is hurt then go ahead. Do whatever makes you feel better.

You can't prove them wrong anymore than I can yours.

No one can prove me wrong that Newman hasn't been part of the problem in our secondary. Everything else regarding injuries is pure speculation.

Give me a solid point to debate, and I may take you up on it.

I've given you pages of solid points and you can't debunk any of them that's why you keep making excuses and won't challenge me. :toast:

His play has declined. I never denied that. I simply have a different opinion as to the cause.

You opinion is pure speculation. Like I said earlier regardless of injury, age or whatever Newman is not the solid dependable player he was a few years ago.

Way to go out on a limb there. I don't think he'll get much better, but I doubt his body decided to slow down so abruptly because he aged half a year.

You're agreeing with me more and more as we go. Looks like I'm slowly convincing you hopefully it won't be another few days before you come to complete grips with his decline.

He didn't suddenly slow down go read what I said earlier.

I get it, we can't use stats.

Stats comparing Newman to Darrell Green, Champ Bailey and Ronnie Lott are going to fly. LOL

I'm all for drafting a replacement to groom.

Sure you are because I've finally convinced you he's in decline. :toast: At least this hasn't been a complete waste of time. LOL

Let's be truthful here. My personal touches are much better for people to read than your original quotes.

My original quotes have you agreeing with me for the most part. We were miles apart until I got you to finally start seeing the light.

 

[CCBoy]

The prospect of a likely KJJ + CCBoy slapfight gives this thread epic potential. Make it happen!

KJJ is too tame and lame to get uptight about. He makes more of a case for freehand loving than he does in presenting a case about football. His motives are always distorted, so any desire to manhandle the intellectual results of that bad tasting bath wash are nill...void, zilch.

Why discuss with a blatant fool, when he will only attempt to drag you down to his level and beat you to death with ignorance. Foolish is signing up for that trip to begin with...