Terrance Williams: Ezekiel Elliott a 'real-life monster'

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You don't draft an RB at 4 on a team with a bad o-line and a bunch of holes elsewhere. You DO draft an RB at #4 when you've built a team whose success is predicated on the run game and you have the O-line to back that up. An rb will have limited success on a team with questionable QB play and a bad o-line. That's why a lot of rbs taken high fail. They go on genuinely bad teams and all teams have to do to stop their offense is stack that line and that RB looks like garbage.

Next year, if a guy like Nick Chubb is there in the second round, I'd consider taking him... or if Christian McCaffery falls. I want us to have the ability to batter opposing offenses nonstop with the run such as if we have a Chubb type runningback come in when Elliott is out... McCaffery would give us a different dimension on offense like a Dunbar on steroids.
 

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The draft is about getting the best player for your team. Hard to argue any other player at 4 would have had as big of an impact. And I wasn't so hot in taking him. I wanted a qb
But we got an elite RB at 4 and a qb in the 4th
4's was very good to us

A demarcus ware could have been at 4 and he would not have helped Day 1, The current play of the secondary would not be markedly better with Ramsey, the only thing I think many thought was trade out which was not necessarily in our control since others have to want to trade with you and you would need to get value back.
 

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I agree the offensive line opens mammoth holes, but it also takes a special player to move the rock.

That 60 yarders, if it were Julius Jones, he would have run into Martin, bounced off and fell backwards for the four yard loss. There might even be a possibility he stumbled into a defender who collapsed on Dak and put him out for the season.


If it was Murray he would have ran to run over one of the safeties. :D
 

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A demarcus ware could have been at 4 and he would not have helped Day 1, The current play of the secondary would not be markedly better with Ramsey, the only thing I think many thought was trade out which was not necessarily in our control since others have to want to trade with you and you would need to get value back.
I don't know about a Ware not helping day one. Just having dlaw seemed to make the pass rush much better, having a ware would be huge. But there was no sure fire demarcus ware in this draft. Had there been he would have been the pick
Since there was no ware then zeke was the safest pick
 

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I don't know about a Ware not helping day one. Just having dlaw seemed to make the pass rush much better, having a ware would be huge. But there was no sure fire demarcus ware in this draft. Had there been he would have been the pick
Since there was no ware then zeke was the safest pick

Most Rookie pass rushers have a hard time adjusting to the size and quickness at the next level. Rookie sack leader last year was 8 sacks. The really good pass rushers usually turn the corner the last quarter of the season before then you have some growing pains.
 

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Most Rookie pass rushers have a hard time adjusting to the size and quickness at the next level. Rookie sack leader last year was 8 sacks. The really good pass rushers usually turn the corner the last quarter of the season before then you have some growing pains.
Ware had 8 his first year but a pass rusher shouldn't be judged by just sacks. His first year he was an impactful player. But again there was no ware in this draft
 

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Ware had 8 his first year but a pass rusher shouldn't be judged by just sacks. His first year he was an impactful player. But again there was no ware in this draft

True but a RDE coming from college will show something but the consistency will not be there, he will be a boy playing with men. Most good pass rushers come into their own the 2nd and 3rd years after being in an NFL strength and Conditioning program
 

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True but a RDE coming from college will show something but the consistency will not be there, he will be a boy playing with men. Most good pass rushers come into their own the 2nd and 3rd years after being in an NFL strength and Conditioning program
Most d line players take a couple years to become what they will be where RB start out what they will be for the most part
Though there is only one position on the football field more coveted than pass rushers and that's qb's
Had there been an elite pass rusher there we would have taken him and if there is one left with the last 1st end pick this year we will take him
Though a elite pass rusher is not likely to fall to the end of the first rnd
 

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I've seen him twice in person (last weekend in Uptown). He is truly one of the widest people I've ever seen. Legit 6 footer too.
 

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Hes obviously a great player, but people that didnt want a rb at 4(im in that group) arent being proven wrong by his success. And you arent being proven right.

I disagree. I think they are. Dak may be giving this team confidence but Zeke is giving them even more. When you dominate the run game like that it takes over the team mentality.
 

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On the 60 yard run after zeke breaks through the hole and is past the defense one of the wide receivers comes into view running across the field (I think is T Will) and throws his arms up celebrating - when I saw it I laughed so hard cant really describe it with words but it looked like a dancer leaping across the floor. :laugh:
 

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I wanted Carson Wentz. But Dak working out makes getting Zeke at #4 look like a stroke of genius. For the record...I think had we gotten Carson Wentz at #4 we would have been ok as well. Probably would have gone RB in the 2nd.


Carson Wentz wouldn't have been the wrong pick but man oh man does Zeke behind this OL change things and we had a football miracle happen with Dak.

Not to mention Maliek Collins and Anthony Brown look like players as well.


What a rookie class this could be if JAylon Smith comes back healthy.. IMO he was the best player in the draft pre-injury.
 

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The reason the Cowboys rejected the trade down with the Ravens because they were going to select Zeke for themselves.
The scary thing is that we could have lost Dak and Zeke if we traded back with BAL

Rumor is they wanted Zeke at 4 and they took Kenny Dixon with a 4th rd comp one spot before we took Dak....if they already had Zeke they might have taken Dak instead of Dixon..... I just threw up a little in my mouth

We might have went Deforest Buckner, Derrick Henry and Cardale Jones instead of Zeke, JSmith and Dak
 

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Carson Wentz wouldn't have been the wrong pick but man oh man does Zeke behind this OL change things and we had a football miracle happen with Dak.

Not to mention Maliek Collins and Anthony Brown look like players as well.


What a rookie class this could be if JAylon Smith comes back healthy.. IMO he was the best player in the draft pre-injury.
Ive been saying it, if Smith comes back to his old self, and Tapper shows what he did in college, this may be our best draft in franchise history.
 
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