Terrance Williams makes Mel's rookie rankings

[Risen Star]

Makes me cry.......I was hoping for him in the draft.

It was a no brainer.

There is a zero percent chance of Escobar being a better pro player. I would fire any scout who handed me a ranking with Warford below Escobar.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yay Risen is overvaluing an OG again!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I actually can argue that. I think the talent on this team is highly overrated.

I hear you say this a lot but you never really back it up which is an unfortunate trait of yours.

The core of this team was supposed to be Romo, Witten, Dez, Ware, Tyron, Lee, Spencer and Carr.

Who on that list is overrated?

Give me 8 players from another 5 or 6 teams that have a better core.

You say we are overrated on CZ. To be expected. But in the media they say we constantly underachieve. Cannot underachieve without having talent. When we hear other team's executives and players talk about our team they are always complimentary even in situations where they aren't just trying to avoid "bulletin board" material.

So the fans, the media and other team's executives and players think we have a high level of talent.

Only Risen Star disagrees.

Hmmm

We only have to go back 1 year to see them waste a 1st and 2nd round pick on a cornerback. How's that working out? Who is a player in that draft class? Wilber and Johnson with two 4ths? Caleb who? That entire class is coming dangerously close to being a complete flush like 2009.

Every guy sans Caleb (a 7th rounder) and Wilber (a 4th rounder making a position change) have been hurt. Who among us can predict the injury arc of players? Are you a wizard?

And well...i'm not giving up on Claiborne who had arguably his best day for us in his short career just last week with the interception of Evil Manning and a fumble recovery. Honestly he had a better day than Carr.

So yeah. Not buying the overrated bit. But please do prove me wrong.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yay Risen is overvaluing an OG again!

Cherry picking at that. 17 players were selected between Escobar and Warford. But it was a clear no brainer that Warford was a can't miss guy.

 

[MrPhil]

He. Wasn't. On. Our. Board.

I. Am. Well. Aware. Of. That. It. Didn't. Stop. Me. From. Wanting. Him.

Try to be a little more condescending next time.

 

[AsthmaField]

I harped and harped on Sheldon Richardson. That is who I wanted us to draft and it doesn't surprise me to see him doing so well as a rookie.

1. Sheldon Richardson DT New York Jets
3. Kenny Vaccaro S New Orleans
6. Giovani Bernard RB Cincinnati
9. Star Lotulelei DT Carolina
10. Tyrann Mathieu S Arizona


Those are the guys on that list that I really wanted Dallas to find a way to get.

Of course realistically, I knew they could only get one or two (with Mathieu being one)... but it wasn't meant to be.

I really, really like Frederick a lot and Williams was a gift in the 3rd round.

I have absolutely zero complaints about our draft. Even Escobar has a butt-load of talent and will end up helping this team a lot.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I. Am. Well. Aware. Of. That. It. Didn't. Stop. Me. From. Wanting. Him.

Try to be a little more condescending next time.

What's th point of discussing a guy who wasn't on our board because he doesn't fit our scheme?

 

[Risen Star]

I hear you say this a lot but you never really back it up which is an unfortunate trait of yours.

The core of this team was supposed to be Romo, Witten, Dez, Ware, Tyron, Lee, Spencer and Carr.

Who on that list is overrated?

Give me 8 players from another 5 or 6 teams that have a better core.

You say we are overrated on CZ. To be expected. But in the media they say we constantly underachieve. Cannot underachieve without having talent. When we hear other team's executives and players talk about our team they are always complimentary even in situations where they aren't just trying to avoid "bulletin board" material.

So the fans, the media and other team's executives and players think we have a high level of talent.

Only Risen Star disagrees.

Hmmm

Maybe I confused you with a term you don't understand.

So you're saying they can't be overrated because they are rated highly? That's rich.

I don't have to prove anything. There is no proof. It's opinion either way. IMO, and I'm right far more than most, the Cowboys as a whole are not an overly talented team. They are one of the least talented along both lines. That's big. One pass rusher on the entire team and he's breaking down physically. One DT of any quality and he too is aging. They have two LBs on the team worth a bleep. No safeties that anyone can call a top talent. Their RB is okay. No backup whatsoever in a two back league.

They don't have bad talent, they just don't have an abundance of it. If they play to their talent, they'll be mediocre like every other year.

Every guy sans Caleb (a 7th rounder) and Wilber (a 4th rounder making a position change) have been hurt. Who among us can predict the injury arc of players? Are you a wizard?

And well...i'm not giving up on Claiborne who had arguably his best day for us in his short career just last week with the interception of Evil Manning and a fumble recovery. Honestly he had a better day than Carr.

So yeah. Not buying the overrated bit. But please do prove me wrong.

I'm not trying to sell you on it. That would be like selling Ronald McDonald on Burger King.

I'm just telling you the truth. It's your choice whether to accept it. If you look at this roster and think it's one of the most talented in the league, I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. Your distracted by shiny toys and don't understand the nuts and bolts of football, where the Cowboys are actually one of the least talented.

So you have good skill position, weak trenches and a few glaring holes elsewhere. Makes them ordinary to me.

As for the 2012 draft class, it never had a chance the moment the trade was made. It will go down as one of the worst classes of the Jerry era. And that's saying something. If you want to pretend it was because of injuries, be my guest.

 

[MrPhil]

What's th point of discussing a guy who wasn't on our board because he doesn't fit our scheme?

What. Is. The. Point. Of. Thumbing. Fellow. Fans. In. The. Eye. For. Posting. Their. Thoughts/Regrets? Why. Post. At. All. This. Is. A. Message. Board. Is. It. Not?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

What. Is. The. Point. Of. Thumbing. Fellow. Fans. In. The. Eye. For. Posting. Their. Thoughts/Regrets? Why. Post. At. All. This. Is. A. Message. Board. Is. It. Not?

Because it's a message board. Hence you can post your thoughts and I can posts my thoughts on your thoughts. Not a hard concept to comprehend.

 

[MrPhil]

Because it's a message board. Hence you can post your thoughts and I can posts my thoughts on your thoughts. Not a hard concept to comprehend.

It. Is. The. Delivery. That. Is. Obnoxious. Disrespectful. And. Not. Appreciated. A. Simple:

"Remember though, he was not on our board"

Would have been preferred, but you decided to be condescending. Whatever.

Apparently. That. Is. Asking. Too. Much.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Maybe I confused you with a term you don't understand.

So you're saying they can't be overrated because they are rated highly? That's rich.

How did I say that?

I said we are among the most talented teams in the league. A phrase echoed by fans, media and opponents. Sois everyone overrating our players except you?

I'm not trying to sell you on it. That would be like selling Ronald McDonald on Burger King.

That's rich. I'm both willing to show derision for the team as well as praise it. You're only willing to be pessimistic and overly so.

And you try to sell me as the stubborn one?

I'm just telling you the truth. It's your choice whether to accept it. If you look at this roster and think it's one of the most talented in the league, I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. Your distracted by shiny toys and don't understand the nuts and bolts of football, where the Cowboys are actually one of the least talented.

I asked you to point to teams that have a better collection of the 8 or so players I listed. You declined to do so and say I don't know what i'm talking about? By all means i'd be happy to learn more. The moment you actually provide specific examples will be amazing.

So you have good skill position, weak trenches and a few glaring holes elsewhere. Makes them ordinary to me.

Oline has been fantastic.

And the Dline would have been as well had Spencer not gone down and Ratliff not disappeared in the weight room. I know it's funny to say now...but Dline really was going to be a strength for us.

As for the 2012 draft class, it never had a chance the moment the trade was made. It will go down as one of the worst classes of the Jerry era. And that's saying something. If you want to pretend it was because of injuries, be my guest.

I want to say the entire class sans a 4th and 7th rounder have had significant injuries. Do you deny that? It's not an excuse. It's reality.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe I confused you with a term you don't understand.

So you're saying they can't be overrated because they are rated highly? That's rich.

I don't have to prove anything. There is no proof. It's opinion either way. IMO, and I'm right far more than most, the Cowboys as a whole are not an overly talented team. They are one of the least talented along both lines. That's big. One pass rusher on the entire team and he's breaking down physically. One DT of any quality and he too is aging. They have two LBs on the team worth a bleep. No safeties that anyone can call a top talent. Their RB is okay. No backup whatsoever in a two back league.

They don't have bad talent, they just don't have an abundance of it. If they play to their talent, they'll be mediocre like every other year.






I'm not trying to sell you on it. That would be like selling Ronald McDonald on Burger King.

I'm just telling you the truth. It's your choice whether to accept it. If you look at this roster and think it's one of the most talented in the league, I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. Your distracted by shiny toys and don't understand the nuts and bolts of football, where the Cowboys are actually one of the least talented.

So you have good skill position, weak trenches and a few glaring holes elsewhere. Makes them ordinary to me.

As for the 2012 draft class, it never had a chance the moment the trade was made. It will go down as one of the worst classes of the Jerry era. And that's saying something. If you want to pretend it was because of injuries, be my guest.

OUR OL talent with Free's renaissance, good play from three young players and galvanized by Waters is very good.

DL is decimated by injury. Crawford, Ratliff, and Spencer are all out. They also happen to be draft picks. Spencer had been healthy up until this year and an ACL like Crawford's is not a sign of 'poor scouting.'

You are not 'telling the truth.' You are writing an agenda, the DERP DERP TRNCHORZ agenda, narrative. Garbage like:

Your distracted by shiny toys and don't understand the nuts and bolts of football, where the Cowboys are actually one of the least talented.

It just so happens that your shiny toys are 300 lbs OL too slowfooted to play OT. Anyone can play that game, chachi.

 

[visionary]

If their board had Escobar over Warford, get a new board.

Drafting to your board doesn't mean you can't be wrong. That's part 1. The 2nd part is when the players have to justify how you stacked your board.

I wonder if our FO actually goes back at the end of the year to figure out who did how and who we had ranked where relative to how they actually did, as a learning process and as part of the evaluation of scouts and the choices our FO made?

Most if do this in our professional in our areas

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

I hope we can find next year's Richardson this draft.

I really hope so as well. Fun to watch him work.

 

[DogFace]

He. Wasn't. On. Our. Board.

Why is "he wasn't on our board" a good reason why we shouldn't be upset about not drafting him? That just makes it that much worse.

 

[Kaiser]

Its worth repeating that players can get a good rookie grade for adjusting to the NFL quickly but others score poorly as rookies and develop after their first year. Its one grade among many - Tashard Choice and Felix Jones would have better grades on this scale than Tony Romo or Miles Austin.

 

[DogFace]

What. Is. The. Point. Of. Thumbing. Fellow. Fans. In. The. Eye. For. Posting. Their. Thoughts/Regrets? Why. Post. At. All. This. Is. A. Message. Board. Is. It. Not?

Overusing periods I think

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Why is "he wasn't on our board" a good reason why we shouldn't be upset about not drafting him? That just makes it that much worse.

No, it means he didn't fit our scheme. This, it was BC's call, not Jerry's. So, basically people are crying that Jerry should have overruled BC...and those crying tend to be those who cry that Jerry has too much power with the draft.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Give me a break. In hindsight, fans can say this about every team.

Hindsight is ultimately how we determine success or failure. People lose their jobs based on hindsight.