Terrell Owens defenders???

[texan by birth]

Terrell basically tore apart three different teams with his whining and selfish attitude.The niners,eagles and boyz all felt his wrath and yet he still has a boat load of people defending him.

I have been listening to a lot talk radio since Owens was released and i am shocked at the number of people who stand by him.Am i missing something here?I don't get it.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148346

 

[Juke99]

Here is my response to everyone of them...we don't have to defend our point of view. The NFL says it better than we ever could.

The guy took a ONE year contract (as I've noted, even MANNY got two years from the Dodgers)...he signed his ONE year contract just two days after getting cut. NOW why on earth would he do that if other teams were calling? He wouldn't. He did it because NO ONE was calling. He signed this contract with the Buffalo Bills...read that again....cold weather, no national exposure and surely not one of the NFL flagship franchises for Owens who is all about press coverage. He signed the contract with a team that at best, is mediocre...with slim playoff chances..and he did this at the end of his career when one would think he'd sign on with a team (if he cared about winning) that had a shot to win so that he could experience a run a that elusive trophy that he's never won.

Oh...and as another clue to his talent level vs how much of a pain in the backside he is...just stop and think about it...the Cowboys took a NINE MILLION DOLLAR cap hit to release him...and the guy who released him was his biggest supporter.

 

[bbgun]

I'm still confused by posters who "wish him well." Why? He clearly punched his own ticket out of town, and we may suffer on the field as a direct result of his selfishness. So why the fond farewells? Anger seems to be the only appropriate response.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here is my response to everyone of them...we don't have to defend our point of view. The NFL says it better than we ever could.

The guy took a ONE year contract (as I've noted, even MANNY got two years from the Dodgers)...he signed his ONE year contract just two days after getting cut. NOW why on earth would he do that if other teams were calling? He wouldn't. He did it because NO ONE was calling. He signed this contract with the Buffalo Bills...read that again....cold weather, no national exposure and surely not one of the NFL flagship franchises for Owens who is all about press coverage. He signed the contract with a team that at best, is mediocre...with slim playoff chances..and he did this at the end of his career when one would think he'd sign on with a team (if he cared about winning) that had a shot to win so that he could experience a run a that elusive trophy that he's never won.

Oh...and as another clue to his talent level vs how much of a pain in the backside he is...just stop and think about it...the Cowboys took a NINE MILLION DOLLAR cap hit to release him...and the guy who released him was his biggest supporter.

QFT!

When you are a legitimate high caliber player and nobody will sign you, its probably a sign your an *******.

Funny thing is, TO will behave this year because he will be working for that 2-3 year contract next year. He'll probably even do an interview where he takes blame for some of the stuff in Dallas. Of course the interview will be with Deion where Primetime tells him it was never his fault.

Buffalo? Buffalo? There must have been some slim pickings out there.

 

[Hostile]

Terrell basically tore apart three different teams with his whining and selfish attitude.The niners,eagles and boyz all felt his wrath and yet he still has a boat load of people defending him.

I have been listening to a lot talk radio since Owens was released and i am shocked at the number of people who stand by him.Am i missing something here?I don't get it.

Sour grapes diet. They had him on Madden and their Fantasy teams so he was great. The rest of the package deal cannot possibly have an effect. To overcome this kind of mentality you have to watch more than highlight reels and actually learn the game. Why did the Lions improve without Barry Sanders when he was clearly the most magnificent player on the field?

Team > player

 

[MWILL]

Terrell basically tore apart three different teams with his whining and selfish attitude.The niners,eagles and boyz all felt his wrath and yet he still has a boat load of people defending him.

I have been listening to a lot talk radio since Owens was released and i am shocked at the number of people who stand by him.Am i missing something here?I don't get it.

Q) What's that say about the 3 organizations?

A) It says that they are weak!

You sound like a ESPN employee. Always blaming everything on one person.
What a shock.

 

[JonJon]

I'm still confused by posters who "wish him well." Why? He clearly punched his own ticket out of town, and we may suffer on the field as a direct result of his selfishness. So why the fond farewells? Anger seems to be the only appropriate response.

What exactly did he do to punch his own ticket out of town?

 

[JonJon]

Sour grapes diet. They had him on Madden and their Fantasy teams so he was great. The rest of the package deal cannot possibly have an effect. To overcome this kind of mentality you have to watch more than highlight reels and actually learn the game. Why did the Lions improve without Barry Sanders when he was clearly the most magnificent player on the field?

Team > player

I just love when people resort to the "learn the game" comment when someone has a difference of opinion. Actually, I don't love it; I hate it. It's a lame insult that does nothing to prove the one who said it knows more about the game than the person the comment is directed to.

But anyway....

Barry Sanders quit the Lions; not the other way around. And since when did the Lions improve???? Last time I checked, they have sucked for many, many years.

 

[1fisher]

Here is my response to everyone of them...we don't have to defend our point of view. The NFL says it better than we ever could.

The guy took a ONE year contract (as I've noted, even MANNY got two years from the Dodgers)...he signed his ONE year contract just two days after getting cut. NOW why on earth would he do that if other teams were calling? He wouldn't. He did it because NO ONE was calling. He signed this contract with the Buffalo Bills...read that again....cold weather, no national exposure and surely not one of the NFL flagship franchises for Owens who is all about press coverage. He signed the contract with a team that at best, is mediocre...with slim playoff chances..and he did this at the end of his career when one would think he'd sign on with a team (if he cared about winning) that had a shot to win so that he could experience a run a that elusive trophy that he's never won.

Oh...and as another clue to his talent level vs how much of a pain in the backside he is...just stop and think about it...the Cowboys took a NINE MILLION DOLLAR cap hit to release him...and the guy who released him was his biggest supporter.

Excellent post... but "they" won't get it!

 

[Hostile]

I just love when people resort to the "learn the game" comment when someone has a difference of opinion. Actually, I don't love it; I hate it. It's a lame insult that does nothing to prove the one who said it knows more about the game than the person the comment is directed to.

But anyway....

Barry Sanders quit the Lions; not the other way around. And since when did the Lions improve???? Last time I checked, they have sucked for many, many years.

Man, make it easy for me.

Barry Sanders last year with the Lions they were 5-11. The year he left them high and dry they improved to 8-8.

Look it up.

I looked real close and I don't see where I said the Lions cut Barry Sanders. Perhaps you could point that out for me. I will be amazed if I actually said it because the thought has never once entered my mind that they waived him.

What I believe I actually said is that sometimes raw talent is not enough. Barry was raw talent. Perhaps no one ever was better for pure talent. But he was never a winner while Emmitt Smith was. Why? Because Emmitt was not afraid to get the hard yard. Emmitt did what it took to help the team win. Barry was removed near the goal line by every coach he had for a reason. No heart. If football was purely about talent, Barry Sanders would have been a Champion. Terrell Owens would be a Champion. Neither are and neither ever will be. That is what I mean when I say "learn the game."

I am serious, I think some people do not understand the game of football. It isn't meant as an insult. It is meant as advice to study more. There are nuances to this game that go way beyond what you see on a TV screen sitting on your couch.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm still confused by posters who "wish him well." Why? He clearly punched his own ticket out of town, and we may suffer on the field as a direct result of his selfishness. So why the fond farewells? Anger seems to be the only appropriate response.

Because being angry is being bitter over something that doesn't mean anything is just a waste of ones time, IMO. It's a player, on a football team, that does nothing for a person other than bring them joy for a few hours on a Sunday or some fun bragging rights when they win. The Cowboys winning, or losing, isn't going to help you pay your rent or mortgage, it's not going to pay your bills or make you more healthy.

They're just a football team, nothing more. No reason to be angry about it, IMO.


And Hos for Barry and TO to have Championships, rather they are raw talent or average talent, is also dependent on whether or not the rest of their team are winners.

Just saying if Barry or TO were this or that they'd be champions is a very narrow approach. Jerry Rice was one of the hardest workers in the history of the NFL, a real team player, and did his thing but if you took him off those loaded Niners teams, with guys who were also winners, and put him on the Detriot Lions or the Rams or the Browns or the Buccs back in those days Jerry Rice wouldn't have the rings he has.

It takes a team. Even when the players in question are Barry Sanders and TO it still takes an entire team around them to make them winners.

 

[Hostile]

And Hos for Barry and TO to have Championships, rather they are raw talent or average talent, is also dependent on whether or not the rest of their team are winners.

Just saying if Barry or TO were this or that they'd be champions is a very narrow approach. Jerry Rice was one of the hardest workers in the history of the NFL, a real team player, and did his thing but if you took him off those loaded Niners teams, with guys who were also winners, and put him on the Detriot Lions or the Rams or the Browns or the Buccs back in those days Jerry Rice wouldn't have the rings he has.

It takes a team. Even when the players in question are Barry Sanders and TO it still takes an entire team around them to make them winners.

You can ask my friends here in Tucson if you doubt me on this. When Barry Sanders was wowing the world I said I would never want him on my football team. If we had him, I would root for him, but I never would want him. Put Barry Sanders on the 49ers or the Cowboys and they would not have won the Super Bowls they did. I firmly believe that. Put TO on the Steelers last year and they do not have 6 right now. Put Barry and TO on the same team and I will show you a sub .500 team most likely. That is why Ray Lewis is so revered in football circles. His talent is out of this world good, but his leadership is what drives the teams he is on. He is team first. Barry and TO never have been and never will be.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You can ask my friends here in Tucson if you doubt me on this. When Barry Sanders was wowing the world I said I would never want him on my football team. If we had him, I would root for him, but I never would want him. Put Barry Sanders on the 49ers or the Cowboys and they would not have won the Super Bowls they did. I firmly believe that. Put TO on the Steelers last year and they do not have 6 right now. Put Barry and TO on the same team and I will show you a sub .500 team most likely. That is why Ray Lewis is so revered in football circles. His talent is out of this world good, but his leadership is what drives the teams he is on. He is team first. Barry and TO never have been and never will be.

Hmmmm....wow. That's a huge statement. You honestly think if you put Barry Sanders on those 49ers teams they don't win the Superbowls they did? That's a HUGE statement.

Props to you for having the guts to make such a large statement but I'm afraid I just can't agree with that. If you switched Ricky Waters for Barry Sanders in the 90's I think the Niners probably would have won at least one more Superbowl than they did. But that's just me.

That's a bold statement Hos. A bold statement. Many props to you.

 

[Vtwin]

You can ask my friends here in Tucson if you doubt me on this. When Barry Sanders was wowing the world I said I would never want him on my football team. If we had him, I would root for him, but I never would want him. Put Barry Sanders on the 49ers or the Cowboys and they would not have won the Super Bowls they did. I firmly believe that. Put TO on the Steelers last year and they do not have 6 right now. Put Barry and TO on the same team and I will show you a sub .500 team most likely. That is why Ray Lewis is so revered in football circles. His talent is out of this world good, but his leadership is what drives the teams he is on. He is team first. Barry and TO never have been and never will be.

How have the 49's done since TO left town? How the heck did the Eagles make it as far as the Superbowl with that darn TO on the team?

How many playoff appearances do the lions have with Barry as opposed to without Barry?

 

[bbgun]

Because being angry is being bitter over something that doesn't mean anything is just a waste of ones time, IMO. It's a player, on a football team, that does nothing for a person other than bring them joy for a few hours on a Sunday or some fun bragging rights when they win. The Cowboys winning, or losing, isn't going to help you pay your rent or mortgage, it's not going to pay your bills or make you more healthy.

But the anger is authentic/justified. Slapping this guy on the back as he heads out the door is borderline offensive. And yes, it too is a waste of time.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Actually I find it's a lot easier to be thankful, and wish someone well, than it is to dislike them and be angry and resentful.

It's like that saying about it taking more muscles to frown then it does to smile. So why bother frowning?

Something like that was what I was told growing up anyway.

 

[Vtwin]

What exactly did he do to punch his own ticket out of town?

Still no answer to this question.... hmmmmmm.

In my opinion everything he did to punch his ticket out of town was done prior to his arrival in town. He'll never be allowed to live down the rep he earned as a 49er and an Eagle. He will always have a mic stuck in his face and every "journalist" with some white space to fill will try and bait him into coughing up some controversial soundbites.

Dallas being the media magnet that it already is I can see the decision to let TO go simply because of the attention his past attracts. I've read nothing to convince me he was a real problem beyond the attention he attracts.

The same sort of decision making process that lead to letting Randy Moss go by in the draft. It's too bad this team isn't tougher and much better lead then it is.

 

[Hostile]

Hmmmm....wow. That's a huge statement. You honestly think if you put Barry Sanders on those 49ers teams they don't win the Superbowls they did? That's a HUGE statement.

Props to you for having the guts to make such a large statement but I'm afraid I just can't agree with that. If you switched Ricky Waters for Barry Sanders in the 90's I think the Niners probably would have won at least one more Superbowl than they did. But that's just me.

That's a bold statement Hos. A bold statement. Many props to you.

You cannot leave your team 2nd & long and 3rd & long as many times as Barry did and reach full potential. It simply cannot be done. Your conversion % goes down the longer you have to get to the sticks on 3rd down. The more you miss converting the more you punt. Waiting for Barry to break 1 or 2 long ones every game is still just 2 drives. It is impossible to win on a consistent basis relying on 1 or 2 scoring drives.

Barry Sanders was a phenomenal RB. I will not deny that. He made my jaw drop many times. I would not welcome him on my football team. I would not want him with a gun to my head. If he was on the team I would root for him. Same way I rooted for every guy who wears the star. I do not secretly hope any guy fails so I can be proven right about someone. I do not even understand that mentality.

Here's your shocker. Barry is not even in my top 20 RBs of all time because I do not respect him as a football player enough. As a RB and the greatest pure runner of all time, you bet. But not as a football player. I will take a real football player over an amazing talent with no heart.

 

[Hostile]

How have the 49's done since TO left town? How the heck did the Eagles make it as far as the Superbowl with that darn TO on the team?

How many playoff appearances do the lions have with Barry as opposed to without Barry?

The 49ers began to fall apart when DeBartolo and Policy left town and Denise and John York took over. If Owens had never left there they would not have kept on winning. That team fell apart and was in the process of falling apart long before he had his meltdowns.

Regarding the Lions, probably none, but it does not change my opinion even one degree because Matt Millen was in charge and I think he did a horrible job. Had Matt Millen been there during the Barry years I doubt they would have made the playoffs at all despite his enormous talent.