Terrell Owens defenders???

[Hostile]

Still no answer to this question.... hmmmmmm.

In my opinion everything he did to punch his ticket out of town was done prior to his arrival in town. He'll never be allowed to live down the rep he earned as a 49er and an Eagle. He will always have a mic stuck in his face and every "journalist" with some white space to fill will try and bait him into coughing up some controversial soundbites.

Dallas being the media magnet that it already is I can see the decision to let TO go simply because of the attention his past attracts. I've read nothing to convince me he was a real problem beyond the attention he attracts.

The same sort of decision making process that lead to letting Randy Moss go by in the draft. It's too bad this team isn't tougher and much better lead then it is.

To me there was no need to answer something that was blatantly obvious. It usually means a head is in the sand and my answer is not going to pull said head out of said sand.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Terrell basically tore apart three different teams with his whining and selfish attitude.The niners,eagles and boyz all felt his wrath and yet he still has a boat load of people defending him.

I have been listening to a lot talk radio since Owens was released and i am shocked at the number of people who stand by him.Am i missing something here?I don't get it.

That the negative portrait of TO painted by the media isn't reality.

 

[Hostile]

That the negative portrait of TO painted by the media isn't reality.

I can get you a direct quote by a player on the Offense.

Oh nevermind, he's probably just swayed by the evil media too.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I can get you a direct quote by a player on the Offense.

Oh nevermind, he's probably just swayed by the evil media too.

I don't trust any media/news outlet.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm a TO immasculater, so I can't help you out here

 

[Hostile]

I don't trust any media/news outlet.

A player on the Offense is not a media/news outlet.

Sorry to burst that bubble.

 

[bbgun]

Actually I find it's a lot easier to be thankful, and wish someone well, than it is to dislike them and be angry and resentful.

Who cares if it's "easier"? It's wrong. When you eat out, do you leave a big tip regardless of bad service?

 

[Vtwin]

The 49ers began to fall apart when DeBartolo and Policy left town and Denise and John York took over. If Owens had never left there they would not have kept on winning. That team fell apart and was in the process of falling apart long before he had his meltdowns.

Regarding the Lions, probably none, but it does not change my opinion even one degree because Matt Millen was in charge and I think he did a horrible job. Had Matt Millen been there during the Barry years I doubt they would have made the playoffs at all despite his enormous talent.

So let me get this straight. Put Barry or TO on (pick your championship team) and that team doesn't get it done but both of those guys brought more success to the teams they were on then those teams had once they were gone (so far at least , eh?) You do understand how your theory has enough holes to drive a bus thought don't you?

Especially since you conveniently ignored the reference to the Eagles SB season that TO was heavily involved in.

 

[Vtwin]

To me there was no need to answer something that was blatantly obvious. It usually means a head is in the sand and my answer is not going to pull said head out of said sand.

LOL

Please enlighten this poor ignorant slob with some examples of this obviousness you speak of.

Aikman putting commentary over the shots of TO yelling on the sidelines?

Got anything else? Maybe a mystery quote from one anonymous player?

Anything that isn't trumped up based on past reputation?

If this team can't handle a character like TO in the locker room then the problems run far far deeper then even the wildest speculations.

 

[khiladi]

You cannot leave your team 2nd & long and 3rd & long as many times as Barry did and reach full potential.

And yet, Garrett is still around... BTW, it was when Barry was around that the Detroit Lions went farther than they ever did I believe in the play-offs, making it to the 92 NFC championship ganme, after Sanders ran all over our Cowboys and had one of the most breath-taking runs in NFL history...

 

[dadymat]

I don't trust any media/news outlet.

but you believe everything players say? they are the ones with something to lose....players lie..they lie to protect themselves from scrutiny....im not saying media is not a lie....just get tired of everyone countering every article they dont agree with as inaccurate, made up, or agenda driven......

whether you like it or not these guys are doing a job ....they have bosses if they lie or make up stories they would get fired....if they have sources that they wont reveal that dont make it untrue....these guys employers check into their stories and make sure ...they have to protect their credibility as an outlet.....

so what i do is gather ALL the information I can from both sides and come to my own conclusion....

 

[DaBoys4Life]

A player on the Offense is not a media/news outlet.

Sorry to burst that bubble.

Care to link me to the quote since I haven't seen it. Which play is it? Or is it just anonymous player on the offense...

but you believe everything players say? they are the ones with something to lose....players lie..they lie to protect themselves from scrutiny....im not saying media is not a lie....just get tired of everyone countering every article they dont agree with as inaccurate, made up, or agenda driven......

whether you like it or not these guys are doing a job ....they have bosses if they lie or make up stories they would get fired....if they have sources that they wont reveal that dont make it untrue....these guys employers check into their stories and make sure ...they have to protect their credibility as an outlet.....

so what i do is gather ALL the information I can from both sides and come to my own conclusion....

They fabricate the truth and stretch things out. TO may have been a problem on Dallas he might not have been however, the blood suckers was just waiting for TO to blow up in Dallas on swomeone he never did but whatever.

 

[Hostile]

Care to link me to the quote since I haven't seen it. Which play is it? Or is it just anonymous player on the offense...

I must be stuttering when I type or something. Either that or you can't read on Mondays.

 

[TimeKeeper]

Here is my response to everyone of them...we don't have to defend our point of view. The NFL says it better than we ever could.

The guy took a ONE year contract (as I've noted, even MANNY got two years from the Dodgers)...he signed his ONE year contract just two days after getting cut. NOW why on earth would he do that if other teams were calling? He wouldn't. He did it because NO ONE was calling. He signed this contract with the Buffalo Bills...read that again....cold weather, no national exposure and surely not one of the NFL flagship franchises for Owens who is all about press coverage. He signed the contract with a team that at best, is mediocre...with slim playoff chances..and he did this at the end of his career when one would think he'd sign on with a team (if he cared about winning) that had a shot to win so that he could experience a run a that elusive trophy that he's never won.

Oh...and as another clue to his talent level vs how much of a pain in the backside he is...just stop and think about it...the Cowboys took a NINE MILLION DOLLAR cap hit to release him...and the guy who released him was his biggest supporter.

I will admit that I was not happy about letting T.O. go. But this really puts it in perspective. Well said Juke. I'm ready to move on now.

 

[Mash]

Its just not right to think that putting a great player like Sanders on say the Cowboys SB teams...would of prevented that team from winning.....we had alot of selfish players on that team....and it still won.....Sanders was a great talent....somehow I think Jimmy Johnson...Aikman...etc would of made it work.

We had some real good leaders on that team.....and I dont think one player especially as talented as Sanders was would of prevented a SB talented team like the Cowboys to fail. JMHO....

I dont think one player can win a SB for you.....and I dont think one player can lose a SB for you.....especially someone as talented as Sanders.

 

[Hostile]

Its just not right to think that putting a great player like Sanders on say the Cowboys SB teams...would of prevented that team from winning.....we had alot of selfish players on that team....and it still won.....Sanders was a great talent....somehow I think Jimmy Johnson...Aikman...etc would of made it work.

We had some real good leaders on that team.....and I dont think one player especially as talented as Sanders was would of prevented a SB talented team like the Cowboys to fail. JMHO....

I dont think one player can win a SB for you.....and I dont think one player can lose a SB for you.....especially someone as talented as Sanders.

Those teams won because they were not stuck 2nd & long and 3rd & long all the time like I mentioned Barry did to Detroit. No team can overcome poor situations for entire games.

 

[Mash]

Those teams won because they were not stuck 2nd & long and 3rd & long all the time like I mentioned Barry did to Detroit. No team can overcome poor situations for entire games.

All the time?

Those teams won because they had great leadership and great players....Im not saying Sanders was better then Smith....two different types of runners....but that team of the 90's would of adapted to Sanders style and won a SB IMHO.....With that OL...Aikman and Irvin playing catch....Sanders would not prevent that team from winning.....in fact...it could of even been more explosive.

JMHO

 

[Hostile]

All the time?

Those teams won because they had great leadership and great players....Im not saying Sanders was better then Smith....two different types of runners....but that team of the 90's would of adapted to Sanders style and won a SB IMHO.....With that OL...Aikman and Irvin playing catch....Sanders would not prevent that team from winning.....in fact...it could of even been more explosive.

JMHO

For some reason you are not grasping my reason for saying this about Barry. I have no idea why. I will try one more time.

1st down...hand off to Barry. He dances around and loses 2 yards.

2nd & long...team has been handicapped and now due to Barry's dance around style has limited itself on options. An incomplete pass or another ineffective Barry run leaves you 3rd & long.

3rd & long...the other team is coming. Bet on it. Your odds of converting on 3rd & long are significantly less than say 3rd & two assuming 2 Emmitt runs would have gained 8 yards.

That is what I am saying. Because Barry did not run between the Tackles he left his team in awkward circumstances far too often to truly be successful. They had to give him the football. He was simply too explosive not to. But it hurt them too many times for them to ever truly be successful.

It does not matter who the rest of the team is. If you are getting stuck 2nd & long and then 3rd & long too many times in a given game you will not succeed as much as you will if you have to convert from 3rd & two. You win this game by moving the chains, avoiding punting, and hopefully getting in the endzone.

IMO, Barry left the Lions handicapped by his amazing talents because he simply would not run the ball on every play. He was content to dance around behind the LOS and hope to break a long one.

Long ones are exciting, but moving forward on every play is more condusive to winning football.

Barry doesn't even crack my top 20 RBs I would want to build a team around. It is my opinion and I know it is not a popular one, but I'll stand by it, and I would say it to Barry's face. I'd be respectful, but I would be critical. His style was directly proportional to the Lions losing.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only flaw I see in that theory Hos is that I believe with a far better O-Line, and yes while Barry might have had a decent O-Lineman here or there in his career he never had all that great a line, like the ones in Dallas or San Fran at the time you wouldn't have seen Barry being dropped for as many losses.

Plus on teams with far more talent all around at the other positions, like Dallas had with Irvin/Harper/Jay and San Fran had with Rice/Jones/Taylor and obviously much better QB play with Aikman and Steve Young then defenses wouldn't have been able to come into games with Sanders and look to completely focus on him and shutting him down.

Yeah, yeah, I know people will try and throw out that the Lions had Herman Moore at WR. The guy was pretty good, even great at times, but he couldn't hold the jock of Irvin or Rice. The second and third recievers that Detriot had I'd have NEVER taken over Harper or Taylor.

I can't think of one quality threat at TE that the Lions ever had during Sanders years while Dallas and the Niners had two of the better TE's in the game in Jay and Jones.

Anyway I'm not saying that Sanders is the best player of all time or anything, obviously I haven't seen everyone who ever played to make that some what accurate so it would only be opinion if I were to think that, but I think it's grossly unfair to say that this is a team sport and teams win and lose together except in the case of a guy like Barry Sanders or TO and then it's not a team winning or losing it's the fact that those two aren't winners so the rest of the team suddenly doesn't win either.

There is no way that anyone can possibly, with a straight face, attempt to make a good argument for the claim to me that the Detriot Lions had the talent around Barry Sanders that teams like Dallas, or the Niners, or heck even Buffalo, had at the time. If Barry had been on one of those teams, with legit talent around him to take the focus off of him, by the defense, and force people to worry about more than just him then I don't think Barry would have been remembered as this guy who just lost too many yards.

I mean, honestly, when you go in to face the Lions back then who are you game planning to stop?

Barry Sanders or Herman Moore and the revolving door of BS QBs they had back then? I think it's pretty easy to figure out where all the focus was going to go.

Now when you played the Niners who were you going to focus on? Jerry Rice and company or Ricky Waters? Oh yeah and they just so happened to have this Hall of Fame guy at QB that you might want to worry a little bit about named Steve Young.

I think, again, it's pretty obvious that you weren't going to focus all of your attention to any one guy cause they had too many guys that would eat your alive for that.

Same thing in Dallas. You going to focus on Emmitt? Awesome. Aikman will rip you a new one hitting Irvin, Harper, and Jay all day behind that. Oh now you're going to stop Irvin and Company? Emmitt Smith says thank you for the easy 150 yards you just gave him today.

Totally different amounts of talent and it's interesting, and like I said I love that you've got the guts to say it cause that means something to me anyway, that you believe that those teams wouldn't have been as good with Sanders.

I just happen to have to totally disagree.

 

[Mash]

Hos,

I dont think Sanders always put the Lions in a difficult situations.....I agree he had alot of negative yards....but he also gave you alot of yards when there wasnt anything there. He was a great threat....

I guess you would also like to have a QB that drives the bus instead of one like Farve....or even Romo that do make alot of mistakes....but also throw for alot of TD's