Texas and Baylor vie for receiver talent... and the under dog is winning recruits

[Aikbach]

http://www.burntorangenation.com/re...ing-baylor-bears-robbie-rhodes-chad-president

 

[Phoenix]

Smart kids!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is still a very good chance that KD Cannon lands at Texas.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Texas should just go ahead and hire Briles.

 

[StylisticS]

Not a surprise. As of late, Briles staff is better at developing talent than Brown's staff. He is getting flat outcoached by anyone that is even remotely good at x's and o's and developing talent.

 

[MC KAos]

Can't wait for Mack to retire

 

[jimmy40]

Can't wait for Mack to retire

clap, clap, clap

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Can't wait for Mack to retire

The longer Mack stays there the better IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not a surprise. As of late, Briles staff is better at developing talent than Brown's staff. He is getting flat outcoached by anyone that is even remotely good at x's and o's and developing talent.

This is not true. Over the past couple of seasons, Baylor has had better talent at the QB spot and that has shown on the Offensive Side of the ball. Also, Baylor is not losing players early to the NFL so they have not had to deal with substantial talent turning over year to year. If you want to say Briles is better at the actual coaching, I'm OK with that. However, outcoached by anyone is not accurate IMO. You put Briles or anybody in the same situation as Brown and they are going to struggle. That's just how it is.

 

[MC KAos]

The longer Mack stays there the better IMO.

I don't think people realize just how lucky that guy was that Vince and colt showed up, we were the EXACT same as last year the years before Vince, it was just better than pre Mack. Now that we have been to what we SHOULD be given our power, money and talent nearby, people are starting to realize just how much of an under achiever Mack has been. Can't wait for him to retire! I guarantee you we'd be instantly better with the right coach. I actually think josh mcdaniels would be amazing as the next UT coach.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know how anyone could claim that he hasn't outcoached Mack and Co.

ABQ, you said

You put Briles or anybody in the same situation as Brown and they are going to struggle. That's just how it is.

What does this mean? You think Mack is somehow disadvantaged compared to being at Baylor?

And I was serious about hiring Briles. Galloway was saying last year that about the only places Briles would leave for were Tech (alma mater IIRC) and Texas. This was when Tennessee was open (again IIRC) and they said he would stay in the Texas area. Briles would not only be better overall, he'd score a ton of points, which people like. I could see UT being like Oregon was under Kelly.

Heck, I think OU would be better off with Briles. Great recruiter and X and O guy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know how anyone could claim that he hasn't outcoached Mack and Co.

ABQ, you said



What does this mean? You think Mack is somehow disadvantaged compared to being at Baylor?

And I was serious about hiring Briles. Galloway was saying last year that about the only places Briles would leave for were Tech (alma mater IIRC) and Texas. This was when Tennessee was open (again IIRC) and they said he would stay in the Texas area. Briles would not only be better overall, he'd score a ton of points, which people like. I could see UT being like Oregon was under Kelly.

Heck, I think OU would be better off with Briles. Great recruiter and X and O guy.

Well, I never said that Briles did or didn't out coach Mack. There is more to coaching then just Xs and Os. What it does not seem as if you are acknowledging is the talent turnover Texas has exerience the last few seasons. It is one thing to recruit talent but it is another thing to bring in talented Freshman and expect them to play like upper classmen, like Baylor has had in their program. Because Baylor has not experience a great deal of early departure from the program, like Texas has, they have been a better team over the past few seasons IMO. Also, they have had much better QB play, which is a huge factor in a teams over all performance. Had Baylor experienced similar circumstances, who is to say how well they might have played or how well Briles might have coached? It takes nothing away from the job Briles has done but it does present a balance look at where the two HCs and programs are and have been over the past few years.

Briles will not be the HC at Texas. He is not who Texas wants IMO. The HC at Texas is responsible for more then just coaching football. You have to look at the revenue Mack Brown is generating for the University and ask yourself if Briles could or would do the same kind of thing. If the answer is no, and I believe it would be, then Briles won't fit at Texas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think people realize just how lucky that guy was that Vince and colt showed up, we were the EXACT same as last year the years before Vince, it was just better than pre Mack. Now that we have been to what we SHOULD be given our power, money and talent nearby, people are starting to realize just how much of an under achiever Mack has been. Can't wait for him to retire! I guarantee you we'd be instantly better with the right coach. I actually think josh mcdaniels would be amazing as the next UT coach.

If it were just about football, I would probably agree with you. Unfortunately, I think it's much more then that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, I never said that Briles did or didn't out coach Mack. There is more to coaching then just Xs and Os. What it does not seem as if you are acknowledging is the talent turnover Texas has exerience the last few seasons. It is one thing to recruit talent but it is another thing to bring in talented Freshman and expect them to play like upper classmen, like Baylor has had in their program. Because Baylor has not experience a great deal of early departure from the program, like Texas has, they have been a better team over the past few seasons IMO. Also, they have had much better QB play, which is a huge factor in a teams over all performance. Had Baylor experienced similar circumstances, who is to say how well they might have played or how well Briles might have coached? It takes nothing away from the job Briles has done but it does present a balance look at where the two HCs and programs are and have been over the past few years.

Briles will not be the HC at Texas. He is not who Texas wants IMO. The HC at Texas is responsible for more then just coaching football. You have to look at the revenue Mack Brown is generating for the University and ask yourself if Briles could or would do the same kind of thing. If the answer is no, and I believe it would be, then Briles won't fit at Texas.

Hmm... Okay... If Mack doesn't have good players behind his players that leave, isn't that his fault? At least half of college coaching is recruiting, no?

And Briles has had RG3 and Josh Gordon leave early... Seems like it would be a credit to him that guys like Florence and Terrance Williams came in and didn't miss a beat.

I don't know what you mean about raising money, though... I guess you mean backslapping booster club stuff? I know Mack is a master at that stuff, but winning big would bring in more $$$ than any of that, don't you think?

 

[StylisticS]

This is not true. Over the past couple of seasons, Baylor has had better talent at the QB spot and that has shown on the Offensive Side of the ball. Also, Baylor is not losing players early to the NFL so they have not had to deal with substantial talent turning over year to year. If you want to say Briles is better at the actual coaching, I'm OK with that. However, outcoached by anyone is not accurate IMO. You put Briles or anybody in the same situation as Brown and they are going to struggle. That's just how it is.

I just do not agree with this. Outside of the Young and Colt days, Stoops has had his way with Brown. I won't even mention what Snyder has done at KSU against Texas with his 3 star players and JUCO players. He practically owns Mack. Briles with his 2 and 3 star players beat Texas two out of the last three years with one being a blowout. If you put Stoops at Texas with the talent they had, I think Texas would have won more than 1 championship. Snyder would probably have an NC with that Texas talent.

 

[MC KAos]

If it were just about football, I would probably agree with you. Unfortunately, I think it's much more then that.

Oh, Rick Barnes is the bane of my UT fandom existence!

 

[dart]

The longer Mack stays there the better IMO.

yup me to - hes should never retire IMO - from his post as resort manager

as for Baylor who cares


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[Chocolate Lab]

If you put Stoops at Texas with the talent they had, I think Texas would have won more than 1 championship. Snyder would probably have an NC with that Texas talent.

I've posted this before, but I think Stoops is so overrated (by some)... He has his pick of talent just about like Mack, and he underachieves almost every year. At least the last several years.

Now Snyder... That guy is a genius. Probably the best coach in America, even over Saban.

 

[joseephuss]

I just do not agree with this. Outside of the Young and Colt days, Stoops has had his way with Brown. I won't even mention what Snyder has done at KSU against Texas with his 3 star players and JUCO players. He practically owns Mack. Briles with his 2 and 3 star players beat Texas two out of the last three years with one being a blowout. If you put Stoops at Texas with the talent they had, I think Texas would have won more than 1 championship. Snyder would probably have an NC with that Texas talent.

Stoops has had plenty of talent at OU and he only has the 1 NC. Both OU and UT have had the same talent level during the Stoops/Brown era. Save for the last 3 years or so. Texas has had very poor talent along their offensive line and at defensive tackle, which are the biggest reasons they have struggle mightily the last few years. That and having even an average QB over the last few seasons.

 

[Aikbach]

yup me to - hes should never retire IMO - from his post as resort manager

as for Baylor who cares


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